Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by 817Gill, May 18, 2021.
watson is vastly overrated. And where is Stafford?
watson and jackson should not be in the top 10, they should be in the bottom 2, especially jackson he is garbage
The Lions have one playoff win since 1957. Stafford has been a stud and is tough. It’s not a Stafford issue, it’s a Lions issue.
7th is fair for Dak coming off major injury. But he has has gained injured guys back and lost zero major contributors to the offense he had at first in yards passing per game and scoring per game when he was injured.
Mentioning his two season closer to 20 is not fair given they were 2+ seasons ago now and included exactly zero of his top receiving weapons and didn't effect them putting other guys up very high who have been even worse in the past.
Watson is good but he takes sacks in bunches and played a season where his team went -80 points on the year. If we are talking garbage time stats last year Watson was the king of it.
I'd also drop him as you gotta expect he misses at least 2 games if not more. His status is certainly more scary than Dak's.
Josh Allen was very good last year but it was a 1 year occurrence.Year 1 was awful and year 2 fairly poor.
Last year he was great in the wild card round but his next two playoff games combined for less a 250 passing avg.
And it felt like his ability compared to PM5 made that game not even close.
Josh is very intriguing but he needs to back up last year. I'm not rating a guy top 5 who has 1 good season unless it is off the charts good and that wasn't the case.
Baker grew up a bit last year and looked like a legit starter but near mid-season on but 1/2 a season of good ball is a pretty low bar to make top 10.
I'd probably put Kyler in the mix here. He is just a better player than Baker, they both toss for about 240 ypg but Baker tosses more picks and completes a lower % of his passes.
It's close in passing but Kyler is far superior on the ground.
Lamar Jackson gets dinged for passing but he isn't the GM who goes into seasons with that receiving corps. Lamar finds a way so often to get first downs and score points. He's underrated imo.
not much different than dak, basically the same player and they both are very good qbs not elite..
rankings are for the people who write them..take them with grain of salt.. its an opinion..
I'm telling you: I got a great grinder and use a pour over Chemex and coffee has never been the same.
I threw my Keurig at the first person I saw that I didn't like.
Stafford underachieved at Georgia too.
He's simply overrated having been the top HS QB in the country than pick 1 overall.
I mean almost anyone would be overrated in that scenario.
He has been part of poor teams but he has also had real weapons over the years to post insane stats.
But he is oft-injured and plays through it with middling results. Takes far too many sacks(thus the injuries) and generally has become a bit too stiff and pocket-centric.
Stafford will be interesting to watch in a new situation.
As will Goff.
Mayfield seriously overrated.
Dan marino made those WRs, neither of who could smell HOF.....he didn't have Calvin Johnson.
and what I am reading is a bunch of excuses Why Stafford didn't do well and couldn't win. 12 years and he is 7-58 against teams with a winning record and never winning a playoff game. sounds like you are coming up with tons of reasons why he was so bad and it wasn't his fault.
and Marino is in HOF, so enough people with brain thought he was good to make it to HOF on first ballot....btw, he didn't throw a pretty spiral. but mathew stafford throws a pretty spiral.
Not even on the list. Not starter material. McScabby told me that Dalton and Dak were on the same level.
Sorry, lets agree to disagree. I just don't go gaga over Watson. he is good. but I don't think anybody should be foaming at the mouth for him. his leadership has always lacked.
you can’t turn around and say Dak shouldn’t be blamed for the team’s disadvantages, and then do it to Watson and Stafford. Dak has had way better rushing attack, better receivers, much better line, and at least comparable defenses (if not flat out better in 2016). But Dak has played in a division much easier to win than the NFC north since Dak started. 1 reasonably good team in that stretch, 2017 Philly. Philly even made the playoffs 3 of the last 4 just because no one else wanted it. Washington made the playoffs with 7 wins last year because no one else wanted it.
people blame Dak’s coaches every step of the way. Who were the great coaches Stafford had that he disappointed? Who even was Stafford best coach?
You tried to blame someone earlier for using a different scale on Watson as he did for Dak. Yet you’re doing it here. Dak has had a better road to the playoff than Stafford every step of the way, but Dak is underrated and Stafford is overrated
I respect the opinion and well thought out post but there is also a crowd saying Watson is overrated despite the record stats I posted earlier. I feel people have no objectivity on QBs and overrate ours. At least it feels that way. So far in the past week I’ve heard Rodgers is overrated, Watson is overrated and Stafford has never been good. “Shrug”. But at least you are willing to see what happens
I’m not upset at ya at all. We all have opinions. I just thought last season he was phenomenal.
Looks like the QB position takes a nosedive after Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers.
Ya, even tier two is a stretch after Wilson, mayb Roethilesberger
I'm also of the mindset that Deshaun is overrated.
Doesn't mean he's bad, but he gets slobbered over for putting up numbers on a bad team.... meanwhile, Dak does the same and gets trashed on.
Winning cures all ills.
A quarterback with bad receivers and a bad line is not going to be as good as he would be with good receivers and a good line. A quarterback who is always having to try to come from behind is more likely to throw more interceptions than one whose team gets a lead and has the defense to hold it. The team around the QB has to be kept in perspective.