PFF - Zeke is not a top 25 player under 25 years of age

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  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    More proof that PFF and all the poindexters who try to covert football into a mathematical formula are complete trash.

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    Ezekiel Elliott is not one of the NFL’s top players under 25-years old, allow that sink in for a moment. The reigning rushing champion isn’t good enough to be on a list that includes top players in the league under 25-years old.

    Now realize this isn’t a fact, just an opinion of Pro Football Focus who put out their annual top 25 players under 25 years of age at the start of the upcoming season. Elliott did not make the list, but he did manage to make the “just missed” portion.

    Mark Chichester and PFF cited their reasoning:

    “There’s no doubt that Ezekiel Elliott is one of the top players at his position, but it’s hard to overlook the fact that his production is, in large part, thanks to the offense that Dallas has built around him. Over the last three years, Elliott ranks first in rushing attempts (868), rushing yards (4048), rushing yards after contact (2567) and first down conversions (219). However, his three-year rushing grade of 80.2 ranks ninth among the 36 backs with at least 300 attempts in that span, while his 0.119 missed tackles forced per attempt ranks tied for 27th among the same group.”

    Elliott gets dinged for having the offense flow through him, a preposterous line of thinking. Downgrading a player that is so good that the team builds around him is silly. Punishing him for still leading the league when the opposition clearly focuses their defensive game plan around stopping him is absurd.

    https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...llas-cowboys-top-25-under-25-2019-nfl-season/
     
  2. Hardline

    Hardline Well-Known Member

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    I usually ignore threads dealing with PFF but since you posted it I suffered through the article .
     
  3. cowboyec

    cowboyec Well-Known Member

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    dumb.
    even Ray Charles can see he is.
    analytics is dumb.
     
  4. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I consider you one of my closest friends.
     
  5. DakPresgoat

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    I don’t know how PFF can even try to justify that ranking. If you do your “analytics” and Zeke isn’t a top 5 RB (at worst) based on those analytics, you need to re-evaluate your process.
     
  6. Corso

    Corso Offseason mode... sleepy time

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    He better like that post, or you're going to be...
    More pathetic?
     
  7. Hennessy_King

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    I pay for PFF and they usually have good analytics when it comes to every other position other than RB. For whatever reason they dont emphasize blocking, or yards after contact but have an infatuation with making tacklers miss. So Zeke who grinds and turns a 1 yard gain into a 5 yard gain but doesnt make anybody miss is almost a negative to them but if saquon makes 2 ppl miss and has a loss of 2 on the play it's a positive.
     
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  8. Whyjerry

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    I don’t have a cat. Actually hate cats. If I did have one I would line the kitty litter box with PFF articles.
     
  9. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Ben Grimaldi?......If he said the sun was shining you better grab an umbrella.
     
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  10. Hennessy_King

    Hennessy_King Well-Known Member

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    This exactly I never felt they graded RBs properly and this just proves it. They need to take a look at it
     
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  11. jazzcat22

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    Did not read it because it was from PFF....positively foolish focus....
     
  12. Corso

    Corso Offseason mode... sleepy time

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    Lol... you pay for that.
    I mean... You are so much smarter than peeps now!
     
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  13. Hennessy_King

    Hennessy_King Well-Known Member

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    I dont treat it as gospel and knowledge is power. They are pretty spot on for the most part. Players with the best grades are usually the best players.
     
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  14. thechosen1n2

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    This article is utterly ridiculous.
     
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  15. PJTHEDOORS

    PJTHEDOORS Well-Known Member

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    Well Emmitt wouldn't be in the top tier also because of his OL & the offense ran thru him.
     
  16. Corso

    Corso Offseason mode... sleepy time

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    Cat people are funny.
    Cats don't love you.
     
  17. Corso

    Corso Offseason mode... sleepy time

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    And you pay them for this.
    How much you pay?
     
  18. ChuckA1

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    They are just stupid.
     
  19. mattjames2010

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    The explanation for this has already been posted - Zeke is not the only RB they do this to, it's not a special case. They, as a whole, rank RBs lower due to their dependence on so much around them for individual performance.
     
  20. DakPresgoat

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    Good points Henny.

    I wonder what they consider “making a guy miss” too.

    For instance, one of the things that makes Zeke special is his vision, his patience, and his ability to follow his blocks. He also has an incredible cutback move where he can change running lanes as the play develops, without losing any speed.

    All those factors that Zeke brings to the table, helps prevent some defenders from even getting to him in th first place. Which means that he doesn’t have to “make them miss” later on in the play.

    Does their making people miss account for that? Does it account for making the best split second decision to maximize a run that should go for 1 yard but he takes for 5?

    I doubt it.
     

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