PFT: Competition Committee will propose killing plays when ball carrier loses helmet

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Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2010 10:50 AM ET
During a conference call with reporters in advance of next week's league meetings in Dallas, Falcons president Rich McKay said that one of the safety-related rules to be proposed by the Competition Committee will, if adopted, call for the play to be ended if the ball carrier loses his helmet.

The change would bring the NFL rule in line with the college rule.

But it would take away those compelling highlights, when a player loses his helmet and keeps on going. We can't think of any specific examples right now other than Adam Sandler in The Longest Yard, but we'll keep trying.

UPDATE: Cowboys tight end Jason Witten once went nearly 30 yards with the ball after losing his hat.

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Good job, Florio. :cool:
 

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I don't get this proposal at all. Have there been any players hurt, ever, because they lost their helmet? It is part of the game people, leave it alone!
 

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I will always remember that Witten play.

I can't think of another single play from Witten I'll always remember.. but that helment play... classic.
 

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THUMPER;3310785 said:
I don't get this proposal at all. Have there been any players hurt, ever, because they lost their helmet? It is part of the game people, leave it alone!

...Gurode did get hurt when Albert tore his helmet off. That was an unusual one.

This proposal is not surprising. With a CBA in full discussions, NFL Network airing a infomercial on concussions and more and more articles in the media each day on the state of ex-NFL football players it's natural to expect the league to try to address all possible safety issues.

They are just trying to avoid the situation of a RB losing a helmet in between the tackles literally just a fraction of a second before a LB meets him in the hole.

Couple this with the hairstyles the players are sporting today and the loose fit many players have adopted and you see helmets popping off heads with regularity now.

Take a look at the chinstrap Favre plays with. It a wonder his helmet doesn't get torn off more often. It's an old style cheapie Adams strap you see on the old Y-4 series.
 

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davidyee;3310798 said:
...Gurode did get hurt when Albert tore his helmet off. That was an unusual one.

That play was all ready over ..... killing the play would not have mattered in that situation.
 

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zrinkill;3310801 said:
That play was all ready over ..... killing the play would not have mattered in that situation.

...but the question was,

"Have there been any players hurt, ever, because they lost their helmet?"

The competition committee's ruling would not have helped in the case of Gurode's situation, but they really should address the nature of the helmet fitting standards for professional players.

I'm willing to bet the fitting standards equipment managers apply to players in the pros is not the same standards encouraged and used by minor football coaches.

As a coach of younger players I have a serious cardiac event when I see a young kid's helmet fly off during an actual play in progress.

O don't get paid nearly enough as a volunteer to deal with the ramifications of an injury due to a poorly fitted helmet.
 

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Well then they need to make ripping the ball carriers helmet off a 15 yard personal foul.
 

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davidyee;3310798 said:
...Gurode did get hurt when Albert tore his helmet off. That was an unusual one.

The play was over and it was a situation that was already covered by the rules in that Haynesworth was slapped with an unsportsmanlike penalty as well as a fine later on.

This proposal is not surprising. With a CBA in full discussions, NFL Network airing a infomercial on concussions and more and more articles in the media each day on the state of ex-NFL football players it's natural to expect the league to try to address all possible safety issues.

They are just trying to avoid the situation of a RB losing a helmet in between the tackles literally just a fraction of a second before a LB meets him in the hole.

Then they should simply outlaw physical contact of any kind if they are concerned about the players possibly getting hurt. two-hand touch or flags are the next step if they are truly concerned about injuries. In fact they should just play football on an X-BOX or Wii to completely avoid any serious injuries. Again, this is football, it is a violent and dangerous game and should stay that way.

To my knowledge, the case you make has never resulted in a serious injury. In fact most serious injuries in football are caused by helmets rather than the lack of them.

Couple this with the hairstyles the players are sporting today and the loose fit many players have adopted and you see helmets popping off heads with regularity now.

Take a look at the chinstrap Favre plays with. It a wonder his helmet doesn't get torn off more often. It's an old style cheapie Adams strap you see on the old Y-4 series.

That is a different issue altogether and has nothing to do with injuries. If they are concerned about helmets coming off due to hairstyles or faulty chinstraps then THOSE things should be regulated. They regulate things like socks not being pulled up all the way (and fine players for it), why not hairstyles or chinstraps?
 

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How about ballcarriers make double sure their damn chinstrap is buckled?

Why is it the last few years that these guys think they have to make changes to every little detail of this great game?
 

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Can we go ahead and change Washington's mascot to the Skirts? I think that's what Goodell wants.
 

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That's what I'm thinking too - how about a rule that all players must wear a 4-buckle chinstrap and it must be fully buckled at the start of every play?

Most players are smart enough to tackle a guy safely when he loses his helmet, a la the Witten play.
 

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WoodysGirl;3310781 said:
Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2010 10:50 AM ET
During a conference call with reporters in advance of next week's league meetings in Dallas, Falcons president Rich McKay said that one of the safety-related rules to be proposed by the Competition Committee will, if adopted, call for the play to be ended if the ball carrier loses his helmet.

The change would bring the NFL rule in line with the college rule.

But it would take away those compelling highlights, when a player loses his helmet and keeps on going. We can't think of any specific examples right now other than Adam Sandler in The Longest Yard, but we'll keep trying.
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Think Jason Witten, Florio. :cool:

I wish they would make pass interference like the college rule - 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down. 40, 50 and 60 yard penalties on an often ticky-tack PI call are letting the refs decide too many games imo.
 

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casmith07;3310837 said:
That's what I'm thinking too - how about a rule that all players must wear a 4-buckle chinstrap and it must be fully buckled at the start of every play?

Most players are smart enough to tackle a guy safely when he loses his helmet, a la the Witten play.

Wow this may be your best post in months. I agree.
 

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casmith07;3310837 said:
That's what I'm thinking too - how about a rule that all players must wear a 4-buckle chinstrap and it must be fully buckled at the start of every play?

Most players are smart enough to tackle a guy safely when he loses his helmet, a la the Witten play.

Good point. I agree.
 

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StarMan;3310840 said:
I wish they would make pass interference like the college rule - 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down. 60 yard penalties on a ticky-tack PI call are letting the refs decide too many games imo.

Yeah the defense needs some sort of advantage in this league. At least let them committ PI's 40 yards down field and save TD's.

I absolutely hate what this league is becoming. They strive to be like the Big 12.

I take pride that the Cowboys are still one of the teams that continue to play physical football in this league.
 

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THUMPER;3310830 said:
The play was over and it was a situation that was already covered by the rules in that Haynesworth was slapped with an unsportsmanlike penalty as well as a fine later on.

I think I addressed this point in an earlier post. I referenced fitting standards as a better focus for the competition committee in that post.



Then they should simply outlaw physical contact of any kind if they are concerned about the players possibly getting hurt. two-hand touch or flags are the next step if they are truly concerned about injuries. In fact they should just play football on an X-BOX or Wii to completely avoid any serious injuries. Again, this is football, it is a violent and dangerous game and should stay that way.

Not to be rude, but I'm not sure which league you have been watching? Since I began watching the NFL in the early 70's, many posters have started before me, my opinion of what has been happening to the NFL and football in general is rules and standards have been constantly evolving to mitigate the possibility of serious injuries.

No one has ever discussed the nature of football, not to my knowledge, and not accepted a certain amount of violence due to the contact. I don't know of any situation where people have openly supported the game being "dangerous".

I would suggest "good luck" to you on trying to keep the game "dangerous" what I have seen from the NFL is they trying to accomplish the contrary.

To my knowledge, the case you make has never resulted in a serious injury. In fact most serious injuries in football are caused by helmets rather than the lack of them.

I don't have stats on injuries in football caused by the loss of helmets. I won't even try to debate on this. I don't think the comp committee is actually debating this point based on stats. Rather I think they are trying to address a concern and following a mandate most likely forwarded by their commissioner, their owners, their coaches, their players and association or any combination of the fore mentioned groups.

As for serious football injuries being caused by helmets I think that this is a grossly inaccurate global statement. Helmets don't cause injuries the incorrect use of the helmet in the game is a more plausible cause.

And there are numerous injuries, serious ones, that are not caused by helmets. Pick all the knee injuries on the field year after year. Irvin's career ending incident. Theismann's horrific leg break. We can on and on.

That's why the league and football in general is trying to address the use of the football helmet. Most agree that much of the injuries due to helmet to helmet contact or leading with your head to tackle can prevent the serious spinal injuries that make people dread to be a part of that situation.

That is a different issue altogether and has nothing to do with injuries. If they are concerned about helmets coming off due to hairstyles or faulty chinstraps then THOSE things should be regulated. They regulate things like socks not being pulled up all the way (and fine players for it), why not hairstyles or chinstraps?

A helmet coming off is a helmet coming off. The comp committee in my opinion is not addressing the issue in its full entirety. They are focusing on a reactionary solution. "What to do when the helmet comes off?" They really should add to that, "What standards should we apply to minimize the occurrence of helmets coming off?"
 

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PFT: Competition Committee Will Propose Killing The Game Of Football

Seems to be a more fitting title.
 

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I just remember playing in youth leagues, HS, and college where the helmet fit so tight it hurt to take it off. You watch these guys in the NFL and their helmets fit like bobble heads.

They should be altering fitting standards. Remember lining up and having refs check your cleats and making you rotate and shake your head?
 
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