News: PFT: Federal judge reinstates Ezekiel Elliott suspension

[Diehardblues]

Let me add one more example.

New York Giants kicker Josh Brown beat his wife terribly for years and years and years. Fully admitted to it.

Lisa Friel gave him a one-game suspension.

Those sound like reasonable arguments . I don’t know enough about those cases to offer an opinion or comment.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Nah, he's perfectly reasonable. We don't agree on anything politically, but he's always a fair debate on these things.

He's not wrong on this fundamentally because the suspension is justified IF the league was consistent on these matters. They aren't, so it isn't.

lol right

 

[Diehardblues]

Nah, he's perfectly reasonable. We don't agree on anything politically, but he's always a fair debate on these things.

He's not wrong on this fundamentally because the suspension is justified IF the league was consistent on these matters. They aren't, so it isn't.

I really can’t offer an opinion if Elliott’s case was fair in comparison. And not really that interested in their cases. But I assure you I’d be for their suspensions as well if there’s near the evidence.

 

[Diehardblues]

I appreciate it Erod . We go back almost 10 years on the other forum.

These guys aren’t used to my relentless pursuit of my stance on controversial subjects especially when it goes against our star or fav players, etc.

You going to the game Sunday or one of those you broker out? Headed to Ft Worth Sat for TCU/ Texas Game . They’re having a memorial of my uncle in Frog Club. Might go to Cowboy game.

 

[MeTed]

The circumstantial evidence the NFL ruled on.

The NFL doesn’t need a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt to administer a violation.

The NFL Report was very clear I thought.

Of course he did. He violated Personal Conduct Policy .

Company’s are allowed to set their own policies and discipline accordingly . Laws don’t have to be broken.

You asked where else could he go play . This notion because he’s talented enough to play in the NFL guarantees him entry is the core of the issue here. It absolutely does not. But it’s been the standard and basis how we end up tolerating these type of characters. Because of their talent which apparently gives them a pass. I’m one of those fans who refuses to accept that. My argument is we can flourish without this talent .

Right. Surfing porn is not illegal but do it in the workplace and most companies will fire you for it. The difference is that companies won't fire you based on circumstantial evidence. But if they do there is legal recourse. The CBA effectively prohibits that legal recourse permitting the NFL to become its own tribunal.

 

[aikemirv]

No, the court only ruled an injunction it was possibly an unfair decision . There’s been no ruling on if he actually did violate the policy . That’s still to be determined if the next appeal is granted. If not, the suspension stands.

Actually there was no ruling because a court never got involved because the prosecutor did not see enough evidence. So, no there is no proof whatsoever that he violated league policy and what takes the case is that the NFL's own investigator does not think he violated league policy.

Being accused of something does not violate league policy - that is absurd! And that's all they have and honestly why Zeke should win!

 

[Kaiser]

Actually there was no ruling because a court never got involved because the prosecutor did not see enough evidence. So, no there is no proof whatsoever that he violated league policy and what takes the case is that the NFL's own investigator does not think he violated league policy.

Being accused of something does not violate league policy - that is absurd! And that's all they have and honestly why Zeke should win!

And in the actual lawsuit Zeke's lawyers get "discovery" so they will ask for every email and document within the NFL office about this case. They will be able to air a lot of dirty laundry from the league office, which is reason #50 why Goodell is an idiot to press his hand on this.

 

[Ghost12]

Rice had to do a bunch of court ordered steps and stay clean for a year or face jail time...... that is exactly like Probation before Judgement and it is a judicial outcome that would be covered by a guilty policy...... plus his admission makes it a moot point

No, he didn't do any court ordered steps. He applied for the intervention, which is a program not everyone gets, and it is nothing like probation before judgement.

You've fallen into the same trap others before you have when they say the league shouldn't be able to suspend a player without a guilty verdict. You have to stumble over to try and explain why Ray Rice should be an exception to the rule. Ray Rice never had a trial, was never found guilty, and has a clean record. Those are the facts.

 

[speedkilz88]

No, he didn't do any court ordered steps. He applied for the intervention, which is a program not everyone gets, and it is nothing like probation before judgement.

You've fallen into the same trap others before you have when they say the league shouldn't be able to suspend a player without a guilty verdict. You have to stumble over to try and explain why Ray Rice should be an exception to the rule. Ray Rice never had a trial, was never found guilty, and has a clean record. Those are the facts.

Taking that program was a plea bargain.

 

[Nightman]

No, he didn't do any court ordered steps. He applied for the intervention, which is a program not everyone gets, and it is nothing like probation before judgement.

You've fallen into the same trap others before you have when they say the league shouldn't be able to suspend a player without a guilty verdict. You have to stumble over to try and explain why Ray Rice should be an exception to the rule. Ray Rice never had a trial, was never found guilty, and has a clean record. Those are the facts.

BS...... you are doing a semantic slight of hand...... and he has an arrest record

Ray Rice had to go to court ordered Anger Management and counseling for a year..... that is a form of judicial punishment which is what we are talking about....... any kind of plea deal, settlement, PBJ or intervention would be considered the same as a guilty verdict as far as the NFL is concerned

 

[Nightman]

Taking that program was a plea bargain.

Ghost is just trying to be a hardo over a technicality

RRice had to agree to certain rules and had to meet certain criteria to complete the PTI....that is a form of probation and is definitely a judicial outcome worthy of punishment from the NFL

And he always ignores the fact that Ray Rice admitted hitting Janay to the NFL
Just like Roethisberger when he was suspended without a Guilty verdict

 

[CowboysRule]

I really can’t offer an opinion if Elliott’s case was fair in comparison. And not really that interested in their cases. But I assure you I’d be for their suspensions as well if there’s near the evidence.

What evidence is there in Elliott's case? A "victim" with an inconsistent story that has eyewitnesses that directly contradict hers? Records of text messages asking her friend to lie about events? Bruises that only appear after she was in a bar fight? Text messages saying she would ruin him?

She's a pissed off ex. That's all.

 

[JoeKing]

What evidence is there in Elliott's case? A "victim" with an inconsistent story that has eyewitnesses that directly contradict hers? Records of text messages asking her friend to lie about events? Bruises that only appear after she was in a bar fight? Text messages saying she would ruin him?

She's a pissed off ex. That's all.

She's a pissed off white ex and the commish believes in white privilege.

 

[CowboysRule]

She's a pissed off white ex and the commish believes in white privilege.

Not everything is a race issue.

 

[JoeKing]

Not everything is a race issue.

And trees are made of wood. Stating the obvious does not make your statement applicable. In the Zeke case, race is most assuredly an issue and not recognizing it only illuminates your own ignorance to the issue.

 

[Kaiser]

She's a pissed off white ex and the commish believes in white privilege.

She's white trash and the color Goodell cares about is green. Those two things aren't necessarily related.

 

[JoeKing]

She's white trash and the color Goodell cares about is green. Those two things aren't necessarily related.

They are also not mutually exclusive. He can favor both colors for different reasons. He's surely not giving a black player accused of abusing a white woman a fair shake.

 

[Kaiser]

They are also not mutually exclusive. He can favor both colors for different reasons. He's surely not giving a black player accused of abusing a white woman a fair shake.

I don't see any racial element to this at all other than the accuser being racist once she saw her gravy train leaving. IMO all of this is about John Mara of the Giants and Goodell sucking up to him.

 

[JoeKing]

I don't see any racial element to this at all other than the accuser being racist once she saw her gravy train leaving. IMO all of this is about John Mara of the Giants and Goodell sucking up to him.

So you see the bigger conspiracy but you don't perceive the elephant in the room because you are oblivious to it.

 

[CowboysRule]

You don't need to bring up race to show that Elliott is innocent. If anything that just hurts your case as there is no evidence supporting that stance other than your own personal beliefs. We're all pissed off because Zeke is being accused of something without any solid evidence. Don't do the same, don't be like Goodell.