PFT: Force Out, Face Mask rules changed

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FORCE OUT, FACEMASK RULES CHANGED

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 2, 2008, 11:40 a.m.

NFL teams approved several rules changes at the league meeting today, most of which were an effort to make the rules easier to understand and enforce.

The biggest change is that the force out rule no longer exists. In the past, if a receiver jumped to catch a ball and was pushed out of bounds while he was in the air, officials had to make a judgment call to determine whether he would have come down in bounds. That rule, which many observers felt was enforced inconsistently, has been eliminated, and now it’s simple: If the receiver didn’t touch two feet or one of any other body part in bounds, it’s an incomplete pass.

Five-yard facemask penalties have also been eliminated. Serious face masks involving grabbing or twisting the player’s helmet will remain 15-yard penalties, and minor face masks involving a player accidentally grabbing the mask and immediately letting go will not be flagged at all.

Another rules change involves the opening coin toss, where the NFL will now adopt the college rule that allows the coach to defer his choice of kicking or receiving until the second half.

The league also made field goals on which the ball bounces off the goal post reviewable by instant replay. Last year Browns kicker Phil Dawson made a field goal that passed over the crossbar, bounced off the support post and went back into the field of play. The officials initially ruled the kick no good before correctly ruling it good. Last year they were not permitted to use replay to determine whether the kick was good; in the future they will be able to use it on such field goals.

The league also has changed two rules regarding fumbles: A legal forward handoff that is dropped is now a fumble, as is a direct snap from center that hits the ground before it is touched by the quarterback. In the past, the forward handoff would have been an incomplete pass and the botched snap would have been a false start.

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NO VOTE ON PLAYOFF RESEEDING

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 2, 2008, 10:33 a.m.

No changes appear to be coming in the way NFL teams are seeded in the playoffs.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that owners today tabled the proposal for re-seeding the playoffs, deciding not to bother taking a formal vote on the issue because the clear consensus of the NFL executives in the room was that it had no chance to pass.

The NFL’s Competition Committee had proposed a change in the way the six playoff teams from each conference are seeded. Instead of guaranteeing all four division winners of at least one playoff home game, the proposal would have allowed a wild card team to host a first-round game if it finished the regular season with a better record than a division winner.

The thinking in some corners was that such a rule change would have created a greater incentive for teams to play hard in Week 17, when many of the best teams rest their best players, and games begin to look like exhibitions. But the proposal would have needed a three-fourths majority to be adopted, and well over one-fourth of the owners were skeptical about any rule change that would have made a division title less important.

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ajk23az

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I dont agree with eliminating the force out, it should just become reviewable.

I do agree with the facemask rule change though.
 

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I can picture it now....

Randy Moss and TNew running stride for stride, Moss jumps and catches the ball at the 5, but as he comes down TNew catches him in his arms, carries him out of bounds and places him on the sideline.

No forceout, caught "out of bounds".
 

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I like the new face mask rule. I thought it was a bad rule to start with if there was no intent to injure or no turning of the head. I also like the force out rule change.

Now, what the heck is a "forward handoff"? are they talking about a shovel pass behind the LOS?
 

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WoodysGirl;2022287 said:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/02/force-out-facemask-rules-changed/If the receiver didn’t touch two feet or one of any other body part in bounds, it’s an incomplete pass.

Eh, that sounds like a horrible rule as written.

So, WR in dead middle of field jumps up to catch ball. Safety catches him in mid-air and carries him to the sideline before depositing the WR on the ground out of bounds, and suddenly it is an incomplete pass because nothing touched in bounds.

Obviously my hypothetical is extreme, but the rules would allow that. And when you start looking at the difficult calls on the sideline as is, then this strikes me as extraordinarily bad change.
 

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Five-yard facemask penalties have also been eliminated. Serious face masks involving grabbing or twisting the player’s helmet will remain 15-yard penalties, and minor face masks involving a player accidentally grabbing the mask and immediately letting go will not be flagged at all.

HUH????
That is a horrid decision.
You take a judgment call and make it a 15 yard difference? WOW!!
 

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I really like all the rule changes. All these rules seem to help the defense it seems which i think is good.
 

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cobra;2022293 said:
Eh, that sounds like a horrible rule as written.

So, WR in dead middle of field jumps up to catch ball. Safety catches him in mid-air and carries him to the sideline before depositing the WR on the ground out of bounds, and suddenly it is an incomplete pass because nothing touched in bounds.

Obviously my hypothetical is extreme, but the rules would allow that. And when you start looking at the difficult calls on the sideline as is, then this strikes me as extraordinarily bad change.
If you can catch a 210 lb receiver running and catching a ball at the speed these guys play at and carry him to the sideline, I say you deserve it.
 

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cobra;2022293 said:
Eh, that sounds like a horrible rule as written.

So, WR in dead middle of field jumps up to catch ball. Safety catches him in mid-air and carries him to the sideline before depositing the WR on the ground out of bounds, and suddenly it is an incomplete pass because nothing touched in bounds.

Obviously my hypothetical is extreme, but the rules would allow that. And when you start looking at the difficult calls on the sideline as is, then this strikes me as extraordinarily bad change.

I would love to see a pair of players do that.

Like last year, Moss went up for a jump ball on a 60 yard pass over three Dolphins defenders. How crazy would it have been if instead of trying to outleap him (impossible), they just carried him out of bounds like the Queen of Sheba.

I'd like to see them do something like that.

Basically, the competition committee has nothing to do with their time, but the feel compelled to do SOMETHING.
 

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Everlastingxxx;2022300 said:
I really like all the rule changes. All these rules seem to help the defense it seems which i think is good.

That is my first impression... It seems as if the league is trying to close the gap as a result of the rules in favor of the offense.
 

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I never understood why there was a force out rule in the first place. Why shouldn't a defender be able to push a guy in the air out of bounds thus creating an incompletion. It's called good defense. Why should a guy be able to have a catch if he isn't in bounds?
 

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The NFL just put a huge bulls-eye on any NFL receiver jumping for a pass along the sideline. Roy Williams career may yet be revived.
 

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air0208;2022289 said:
I dont agree with eliminating the force out, it should just become reviewable.

I do agree with the facemask rule change though.

I agree.

That takes away from the offense. If you are at the sideline and jump straight up... the defender now knows to take you out of bounds.

Fracken Dumb.
 

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Cajuncowboy;2022292 said:
I like the new face mask rule. I thought it was a bad rule to start with if there was no intent to injure or no turning of the head. I also like the force out rule change.

Now, what the heck is a "forward handoff"? are they talking about a shovel pass behind the LOS?

They must be talking about the shovel pass, the article said that prior to the rule change it would have been a incomplete pass.

That is certain to help the defense.
 

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It's called playing football..why would it be dumb to be able to push a guy out of bounds so he doesn't catch a pass? Why should you be allowed to get a reception if you are pushed out of bounds with no feet touching in bounds? The rule never made sense. And the less rules the sport has that are subjective the better.
 

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Forward hand off sounds like handing the ball off when the back is in front of you...a shovel pass isn't a handoff..it's a pass. Sounds odd though..I hope it's not a shovel pass, it's a PASS, so shouldn't be a fumble.
 

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air0208;2022289 said:
I dont agree with eliminating the force out, it should just become reviewable.

I do agree with the facemask rule change though.

Exactly what I feel..
 

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Shady12;2022319 said:
Forward hand off sounds like handing the ball off when the back is in front of you...a shovel pass isn't a handoff..it's a pass. Sounds odd though..I hope it's not a shovel pass, it's a PASS, so shouldn't be a fumble.

I agree but I have never seen a hand off considered an incomplete pass no matter where the QB was in relation to the RB. Also, the Shovel pass was always a pass since it counted as a TD pass for a QB when the back scored. I just never heard of a forward handoff.
 

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air0208;2022289 said:
I dont agree with eliminating the force out, it should just become reviewable.

I do agree with the facemask rule change though.

Same here.
 
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