PFT: Odell Thurman and Torrie Cox pursue discrimination claims against the NFL

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POSTED 8:14 p.m. EDT, August 16, 2007
THURMAN, COX PURSUE DISCRIMINATION CLAIMS

Suspended Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman and suspended Buccaneers cornerback Torrie Cox have filed discrimination claims with the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. (Geoff Hobson of Bengals.com first reported this development as to Thurman.)

The claim arises under the Americans with Disabilities Act. The argument is that the Bengals and the Buccaneers, at the direction of the NFL, took adverse action against Thurman and Cox, respectively, based on alcoholism, either actual or perceived.

The ADA protects employees who are disabled. Alcoholism is a disability, regardless of whether an employee is actually an alcoholic or whether the employer perceives him to be one. Though an actual or perceived alcoholic can be disciplined for, for example, showing up to work while intoxicated, the argument as to Thurman and Cox is that their suspensions are based on no at-work manifestation of alcoholism.

As to Thurman, it's our understanding that the NFL refused to reinstate him after a one-year suspension because he failed to attend a couple of Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. As to Cox, he tested positive for alcohol after drinking champagne at his wedding.

The focal point of the attack is the placement of certain restrictions on players in the substance-abuse program. If a player is an actual or perceived alcoholic and if the league prohibits him from drinking alcohol at any time and if the employee tests positive for drinking alcohol on his own time, he is arguably the victim of discrimination because of his actual or perceived disability.

Thurman and Cox elected to proceed in this regard based on a recent ruling by the EEOC in a claim filed by former NBA player Roy Tarpley. We're in the process of getting our mitts on the Tarpley decision so that we can better explain the specifics on this one.

And this could get interesting, given that the EEOC can choose to convert the claim into a broader attack against the NFL's practices in this regard, eventually asserting claims on behalf of any player who recently was suspended under similar circumstances.​
 

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"I'm a thug, I should be allowed to do whatever I want and get away with it, and I deserve special treatment"

:rolleyes:

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WoodysGirl;1591884 said:
And this could get interesting, given that the EEOC can choose to convert the claim into a broader attack against the NFL's practices in this regard, eventually asserting claims on behalf of any player who recently was suspended under similar circumstances.[/LEFT]

yeah, I picture a judge awarding any number of the thugs and idiots who partake in this ignorance the same kind of settlement the USFL got

David
 

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Alcoholism is a disability?

What a crock of bull.

Yep, Alcoholism is a Disease recognized by the government and therefore people who are alcoholics are protected.

Sad but true.

NFL will loose this one big since it is Federal Law.
 

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Shot, I'm going to work disabled on Monday then.
 

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sacase;1591970 said:
Yep, Alcoholism is a Disease recognized by the government and therefore people who are alcoholics are protected.

Sad but true.

NFL will loose this one big since it is Federal Law.
Disease, yes.

Disability? Nonsense.
 

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WoodysGirl;1591884 said:
The ADA protects employees who are disabled. Alcoholism is a disability, regardless of whether an employee is actually an alcoholic or whether the employer perceives him to be one.
Say what? Is that true?
 

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It's too bad that alcoholism has to be thought of as a disease OR a disability.

It's an addiction, brought upon by choices made by an individual. Nobody is born with a beer bottle in thier hand.

I think pretty much everybody has an alcoholic in thier family and knows how pathetic and conniving they can be. This stuff about it being a disability opens up a huge can of worms.

Are we gonna be giving out handicapped parking spaces to these losers now?
 

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Say goodbye to these two.

Neither will play in the NFL again.

Nice knowin' ya!
 

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sacase;1591970 said:
Yep, Alcoholism is a Disease recognized by the government and therefore people who are alcoholics are protected.

Sad but true.

NFL will loose this one big since it is Federal Law.


You seem to have some insight about this.

Isnt it too general though... doesnt it have to be in some sort of context? or is it really... you drink and you are (protected) off the hook??
 

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http://www.ada.gov/employmt.htm

From the FAQ section of the ADA

Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?

A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.


So they are right that it is covered in the ADA but they have at least two hurdles to get over IMO.

First they have to prove they are alcoholics.

Secondly they have to prove that their alcoholic status does not adversely affect job performance AND CONDUCT.

It would seem that that last part is what may get them because they are going against the conduct that is covered in their contract with the NFL.
 

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"Secondly they have to prove that their alcoholic status does not adversely affect job performance AND CONDUCT".

Thanks BP.
Thats along the lines of what I was looking for...

We all know that alcohol "impairs" your judgment and you physical hand to eye coordination amongst other things.... so... I would say passing part 2 would be difficult if not impossible.
 

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Just what an alcoholic needs a crutch to lean on. NFL requires that they attend AA meeting this is too help the player not to punish him and in the case of Thurman the NFL refused to reinstate him after a one-year suspension because he failed to attend a couple of Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. Sorry as far as I'm concerned people need to start taking some responsibilty for their own action
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1591998 said:
http://www.ada.gov/employmt.htm

From the FAQ section of the ADA

Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?

A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.


So they are right that it is covered in the ADA but they have at least two hurdles to get over IMO.

First they have to prove they are alcoholics.

Secondly they have to prove that their alcoholic status does not adversely affect job performance AND CONDUCT.

It would seem that that last part is what may get them because they are going against the conduct that is covered in their contract with the NFL.

It depends on how the government interprets that. It could mean conduct on the field and in the locker room or it could mean at all times. I don't think the contract matters since federal law trumps NFL contract. So if they guys had alcohol problems and it didn't affect their proformance on the field or if they didn't cause locker room problems then they could very well win.

Personally I think alcoholism is a choice and an addiction. To me its not a desease and they should not be protected. However, I think the NFL not reinstataing someone because he had a drink at his wedding is just plain stupid.
 

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sacase;1592012 said:
It depends on how the government interprets that. It could mean conduct on the field and in the locker room or it could mean at all times. I don't think the contract matters since federal law trumps NFL contract. So if they guys had alcohol problems and it didn't affect their proformance on the field or if they didn't cause locker room problems then they could very well win.

Personally I think alcoholism is a choice and an addiction. To me its not a desease and they should not be protected. However, I think the NFL not reinstataing someone because he had a drink at his wedding is just plain stupid.

Why he claims to be an alcoholic there is no such thing as 1 innocent drink for an alcoholic at least if he is claiming to have a drinking problem. I would also add was in 1 drink he had? Alcohol leaves the system fairly quick and yet he still flunked the urine test?
 
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