PFT: Plummer Weighs In On Shanahan Firing: “It Was Past Due”

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Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 30, 2009, 9:30 a.m.

Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan’s message had grown stale and his firing was deserved, retired former Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer told the Denver Post.

It doesn’t sound like Plummer and Shanahan will be exchanging Christmas cards anytime soon as Plummer acknowledged that his relationship with Shanahan had deteriorated.

“I thought it was past due,” Plummer said. ”I think he had done what he could do and was just tapped out as far as his coaching style wasn’t motivating guys anymore.”

According to Plummer, Shanahan had become “increasingly obsessed” with where the Broncos ranked statistically instead of focusing on winning games.

“It’s hard on a team,” Plummer said. “We were 7-2 at one point my last year and we came out of a meeting with our heads bowed and we were all just sulking around like we had just been berated for not putting up 40 points, for not leading the league in offense, for not creating enough turnovers.”

“It was a weird style to be coached that way. It really took it out of you as a player. I’ve been on 2-7 teams that had better attitudes coming out of team meetings than oftentimes when we came out of team meetings after Shanahan felt a need to motivate us even more.”

Plummer endorsed the hire of 32-year-old former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels..

“I think it’s a real smart move,” Plummer said. “There’s a lot of young coaches that are coming out of situations where they’re coordinators for great coaches and going out on their own and really establishing themselves. He is young, but he’s got to bring a lot of life and energy to coaching, which I’m sure will be good for that organization.

“At that level, there’s mutual respect. There should be mutual respect between coach and player and player and coach. Some coaches can accomplish that while staying in charge, but others, if they can’t do it naturally, they do it with an iron fist or engulfing you in a way that didn’t feel right. I think that’s what happened to Shanahan. He just tried so hard and pushed so hard that nothing was good enough. Nothing.”
 

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WoodysGirl;2610715 said:
“It’s hard on a team,” Plummer said. “We were 7-2 at one point my last year and we came out of a meeting with our heads bowed and we were all just sulking around like we had just been berated for not putting up 40 points, for not leading the league in offense, for not creating enough turnovers.”

“It was a weird style to be coached that way. It really took it out of you as a player. I’ve been on 2-7 teams that had better attitudes coming out of team meetings than oftentimes when we came out of team meetings after Shanahan felt a need to motivate us even more.”

This is pretty funny. Maybe if the 2-7 team was coached like the 7-2 team they wouldn't be 2-7 or vice versa. Plummer really isn't helping his case here.
 

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But it's good to always beat players into the ground like rented mules... I've read it here me self.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2610752 said:
But it's good to always beat players into the ground like rented mules... I've read it here me self.


weak players always blame the coaches and the schemes.

A smart man once said that and I should know I am the president of his fan club.
 

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I think in today's game it takes a nice balance, personally. You need a coach who is tough on you when he needs to be but knows when, and how, to ease up at the right times.

Actually that's probably the way it's always been. I'm sure every great coach knew just when, and how much, to ease off in order to get the absolute best results out of their teams.
 

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theebs;2610757 said:
weak players always blame the coaches and the schemes.

A smart man once said that and I should know I am the president of his fan club.

I don't think Plummer was blaming Shanahan here. Jake's as happy as he's ever been playing squash with his brother, or whatever he's doing. He's just offering his opinion on Mike's coaching style.

It doesn't even seem like he's being particularly harsh. Shanahan had a lot of success, but he wouldn't have been let go if it weren't true that his style had worn thin and it was time for the organization to change. It also doesn't meant that Mike wouldn't be successful someplace else.
 

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theebs;2610757 said:
weak players always blame the coaches and the schemes.

A smart man once said that and I should know I am the president of his fan club.

That supposes that coaches are never wrong, though. And we know they are.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm never in favor of players calling out coaches in the media. But that doesn't mean I think the players are always wrong and the coaches are always right. It's just that it should stay private.
 

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It was nice for the unibomber to take time out of handball practice for those nuggets. Thanks Ted!
 

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Boys, we just found out backup QB.

Plummer will love it here. Wade and his kid gloves welcome Plummer to the Cowboy "family."
 

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theebs;2610757 said:
weak players always blame the coaches and the schemes.

I agree.

Shanahan was a much better coach than Plummer was a quarterback.

Plummer said Shanahan was more interested in stats than wins and losses, yet if you read his quote, Plummer seemed to be more interested in having fun (2-7) than winning (7-2).
 

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Iago33;2610786 said:
Boys, we just found out backup QB.

Plummer will love it here. Wade and his kid gloves welcome Plummer to the Cowboy "family."

Trust, loyalty and common purpose......

or is the new motto change?
 

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WoodysGirl;2610715 said:
“It’s hard on a team,” Plummer said. “We were 7-2 at one point my last year and we came out of a meeting with our heads bowed and we were all just sulking around like we had just been berated for not putting up 40 points, for not leading the league in offense, for not creating enough turnovers.”

“It was a weird style to be coached that way. It really took it out of you as a player. I’ve been on 2-7 teams that had better attitudes coming out of team meetings than oftentimes when we came out of team meetings after Shanahan felt a need to motivate us even more.”
Pansy.

This is another example of how professional football has eroded through the years. Athletes like Plummer would've wilted away like a dried up fig leaf in decades past. And he was a professional quarterback for goodness sakes. Shouldn't he have the mental fortitude to endure and excel in any coaching environment? Isn't that the true test of someone calling themselves a quarterback?

Pansy. Glad he's retired.
 

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It's all about balance. Some of the younger players clam up when you ride em to hard. Maybe Plummer couldn't play under the duress of Shana-slam.
 

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Iago33;2610786 said:
Boys, we just found out backup QB.

Plummer will love it here. Wade and his kid gloves welcome Plummer to the Cowboy "family."

Wade passes out cupcakes during meetings here!!!!!

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
 

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theebs;2610757 said:
weak players always blame the coaches and the schemes.

A smart man once said that and I should know I am the president of his fan club.
Vice President here.
 

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This isn't an example of a player calling out a coach in the media. It's a retired ex-player commenting on the tenure of a retired ex-coach. Plummer's comments don't hurt any team, and they're not a personal attack on Shanahan. I don't think normal rules apply in this situation.

Then again, I'm a Sun Devil, and I've got nothing but love for Jake Plummer.
 

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DallasEast;2610795 said:
Pansy.

This is another example of how professional football has eroded through the years. Athletes like Plummer would've wilted away like a dried up fig leaf in decades past. And he was a professional quarterback for goodness sakes. Shouldn't he have the mental fortitude to endure and excel in any coaching environment? Isn't that the true test of someone calling themselves a quarterback?

Pansy. Glad he's retired.
EGALE Canada will be all over you any minute now. :lmao2:

They're already mad at CBC, and you go and do this.
:toast:
 

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zeromaster;2610921 said:
EGALE Canada will be all over you any minute now. :lmao2:

They're already mad at CBC, and you go and do this.
:toast:

:cunning:
 

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WoodysGirl;2610715 said:
“It’s hard on a team,” Plummer said. “We were 7-2 at one point my last year and we came out of a meeting with our heads bowed and we were all just sulking around like we had just been berated for not putting up 40 points, for not leading the league in offense, for not creating enough turnovers.”

Imagine a coach, when his team is already good, pushing them to get better! What nerve on the part of Mike Shanahan, lol. I think almost all the great coaches coddle their bad, talentless teams, and ride their good teams like rented mules. Anything else breeds complacency.

And we just learned alot about why the talented Jake Plummer remained the mediocre Jake Plummer.
 
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