PFT: Smith The Odd Man Out In Carolina?

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When making our weekly appearance with Chris McClain on WFNZ (the station that hosted the all-time classic "move on or move out" moment), we were discussing the possibility that the Panthers have refrained from adding many new free agents this year because they soon will have to address the long-term status of defensive end Julius Peppers and left tackle Jordan Gross.
Peppers and Gross are both entering the final seasons of their rookie contracts. Peppers has a cap number in 2007 of nearly $15 million. This means that, if the team decides to use the franchise tag on Peppers in 2008, his one-year salary will be nearly $18 million.
Gross is a solid left tackle. And solid left tackles rarely are available in free agency; when they are, they get paid a lot of money, as Leonard Davis learned last month.
To complicate matters, there were strong rumors last year that Steve Smith is quietly pissed off about his contract. He signed an extension in 2004, before his breakout season of 2005. With three years left at salaries of $3.15 million, $3.6 million, and $4.2 million, Smith obviously is underpaid in comparison to the money spent this year on guys like Drew Bennett and Kevin Curtis.
So what will the Panthers do? Surely, they can't break the bank for all three of them. And the Panthers haven't won enough big games to persuade players to give the team a discount in order to continue a culture of championships.
Each guy is going to want to get paid, and the Panthers can't pay them all. The fact that Smith has yet to get an adjustment to his deal suggests to us that he's going to be the odd man out, with the Panthers more likely to invest the long-term dollars into the players who, based on the positions they occupy, will be more likely to continue to perform at a high level as they age.
The best strategy would be to get Peppers signed early in 2008 and to use the tag on Gross. Then, they should trade Smith before he goes ballistic once he sees how much money two members of the team not named Stevonne Smith will be making.
Bottom line -- this is the reality of having very good players at multiple positions at the same time. There are only so many guys on a team who can get paid really big money, and someone in the front office should be answering tough questions about the negotiation of Peppers' rookie contract, which has now put the team in a very sticky situation for 2007 and for 2008.link:profootballtalk.com
 

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If he were on the market teams like Green Bay and New England would be tripping over themselves to land him.
 

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If I were the Panthers, I would try and trade Peppers. Yes, I know his is dominating. Here is the issue. At $18M/yr you can get another good player via FA and a #1 draft choice and pay all three and give Smith more money. It's worth in my book. All about checks and balances. Peppers doesn't balance out in my book at $18M.
 

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Hostile;1448120 said:
If he were on the market teams like Green Bay and New England would be tripping over themselves to land him.

I would hope Dallas would also.
 

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Who has got the cap space NOW to take Peppers? SF, MAYBE.
 

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Hostile;1448120 said:
If he were on the market teams like Green Bay and New England would be tripping over themselves to land him.


Can you imagine what he would be like in our offense? I mean, I think your absolutly correct in your evalauation here. There are teams out there who would do what it takes to get him but good lord, he would be dynamic in our offense. He would also be an immediate replacement for Terry Glenn with zero drop off in performance.

He's only going into his 7th season too. He could easily play out a 4 or 5 year contract.

I suppose it's nice to dream.
 

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nyc;1448121 said:
If I were the Panthers, I would try and trade Peppers. Yes, I know his is dominating. Here is the issue. At $18M/yr you can get another good player via FA and a #1 draft choice and pay all three and give Smith more money. It's worth in my book. All about checks and balances. Peppers doesn't balance out in my book at $18M.

Peppers is not dominating. He should be, has the talent to be and at times is dominating, but I have seen him disappear way too many times. I don't know why that is, but it is. I have to agree that he does not warrant an $18 million salary. He is worth a good chunk of change. Just not that much.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1448143 said:
Can you imagine what he would be like in our offense? I mean, I think your absolutly correct in your evalauation here. There are teams out there who would do what it takes to get him but good lord, he would be dynamic in our offense. He would also be an immediate replacement for Terry Glenn with zero drop off in performance.

He's only going into his 7th season too. He could easily play out a 4 or 5 year contract.

I suppose it's nice to dream.

He would actually be an improvement over Glenn. Not a bash on Glenn. Smith is just that good.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1448143 said:
Can you imagine what he would be like in our offense? I mean, I think your absolutly correct in your evalauation here. There are teams out there who would do what it takes to get him but good lord, he would be dynamic in our offense. He would also be an immediate replacement for Terry Glenn with zero drop off in performance.

He's only going into his 7th season too. He could easily play out a 4 or 5 year contract.

I suppose it's nice to dream.
The fact we just paid Glenn's 5 million dollar roster bonus and intend to pay Owens' 3 million dollar one in June lead me to believe we wouldn't even take a peak.

Owens and Smith would be frightening.
 

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joseephuss;1448150 said:
He would actually be an improvement over Glenn. Not a bash on Glenn. Smith is just that good.

Yep, he would be. Smith is one heck of a football player. You get a guy like that and all of a sudden, the need to take a WR in the first goes away. You could easily get away with taking a guy like Hill, Williams, Higgins, Smith, Baker or Myles much later in the draft.

Would make a lot of sense in many ways.
 

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joseephuss;1448144 said:
Peppers is not dominating. He should be, has the talent to be and at times is dominating, but I have seen him disappear way too many times. I don't know why that is, but it is. I have to agree that he does not warrant an $18 million salary. He is worth a good chunk of change. Just not that much.

He is the most dominating DE in the league right now in my opinion. Problem is he doesn't always show up on plays. Takes plays (and games) off at times.
 

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And to think he's only 'listed' as 5-9 185.....

Too many folks here are so enamored with the 6-4 WR they'd as soon write off a player with such explosiveness and game breaking ability just because of size.
 

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Hostile;1448158 said:
The fact we just paid Glenn's 5 million dollar roster bonus and intend to pay Owens' 3 million dollar one in June lead me to believe we wouldn't even take a peak.

Owens and Smith would be frightening.

You get this guy on our roster and all of a sudden, you face nothing but 7 man fronts the whole season. The need to upgrade the RBs probably goes away simply because JJ, against a 7 man front is probably ultra effective. I mean, a guy like this is exactly what we need IMO. This is just a player who is a difference maker the moment he steps on the field.
 

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To complicate matters, there were strong rumors last year that Steve Smith is quietly pissed off about his contract. He signed an extension in 2004, before his breakout season of 2005. With three years left at salaries of $3.15 million, $3.6 million, and $4.2 million, Smith obviously is underpaid in comparison to the money spent this year on guys like Drew Bennett and Kevin Curtis.

Why would he be p*ssed off? He is the one who signed the contract...

 

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Yeagermeister;1448255 said:
It won't be turf for long :D

True...I would love to see him here down the road. I have been saying, being here in Charlotte, that this was going to be a problem with these 3 players. Problem is that they are falling behind IMO, in that division, and breaking the bank with even 2 of the 3 will leave them with major problems at other positions. Oh well, better them than us!
 
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