PFT: Union asks Commish to reduce Pacman's Sentence

[WoodysGirl]

POSTED 4:48 p.m. EDT, May 29, 2007

UNION ASKS COMMISH TO REDUCE PACMAN'S SENTENCE

The Nashville Tennessean reports that the NFL Players Association has asked Commissioner Roger Goodell to reduce the one-year suspension imposed last month on Titans cornerback Pacman Jones.

"Your suspension of Jones without pay for the 2007 season is clearly excessive and much greater than discipline imposed upon players for the same or similar incidents," NFLPA staff counsel Thomas DePaso wrote in a May 23 letter.

Previously, the NFLPA had little to do with the appeal of the decision. We believed that the union was keeping its head low so as to avoid criticism arising from its past agreement that the Commissioner not only would impose the initial punishment, but also would handle any appeals.

But now that Jones and his lawyers could be mulling a claim against the NFLPA for breach of the duty of fair representation that every union in the U.S. owes to each of its members, the NFLPA's belated entry into the fray might have been motivated by its desire to avoid the appearance that it sat on its hands, thumbs pointing north, throughout the process.

A ruling on the appeal is expected this week.

 

[dargonking999]

Sigh this is truly pathetic. Why can't he be a man, take his punshiment, and move on. He did the crime, now do the time

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i would imagine Jones' lawyers were prepared to sue the NFLPA and so now this.

im starting to get a picture of goodell putting out the ruling against the worst offender to see how much he could get away with. As time is going by it is more and more clear that he isnt going to be able to much to the DVS chagrin.

Firts Jones' lawyers file for a disclosure of previous suspensions in preparation to sue and now the NFLPA is falling out of line.

i for one dont like to see anyone get railroaded nor get unequitable punishment and see this as a good turn of events.

 

[dargonking999]

i would imagine Jones' lawyers were prepared to sue the NFLPA and so now this.

im starting to get a picture of goodell putting out the ruling against the worst offender to see how much he could get away with. As time is going by it is more and more clear that he isnt going to be able to much to the DVS chagrin.

Firts Jones' lawyers file for a disclosure of previous suspensions in preparation to sue and now the NFLPA is falling out of line.

i for one dont like to see anyone get railroaded nor get unequitable punishment and see this as a good turn of events.

oh please, the NFL is a privelage not a right. If i did half the things he did at my job, i would be fired, without any thought. Don't even play this BS card with me

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is funny. I wonder if PacMan could actually win a suit against the NFLPA in regards to this? I mean, he would at least get some money out of the deal cause he aint getting any playing time back.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i would imagine Jones' lawyers were prepared to sue the NFLPA and so now this.

im starting to get a picture of goodell putting out the ruling against the worst offender to see how much he could get away with. As time is going by it is more and more clear that he isnt going to be able to much to the DVS chagrin.

Firts Jones' lawyers file for a disclosure of previous suspensions in preparation to sue and now the NFLPA is falling out of line.

i for one dont like to see anyone get railroaded nor get unequitable punishment and see this as a good turn of events.

I think your putting a lot of faith into something that hasn't provided a whole lot of supporting info for this theory. It serves no purpose, that I can see, to bring charges against a player and have it drawn out in court, only to lose. Underminds the credability of the NFL product and won't ultimatly serve the objective of the NFL, which is to clean up it's image. Basically, it would cost them more money and fans IMO.

I think the NFL has made it's ruling and it's now the NFLPA's problem.

 

[Hoofbite]

oh please, the NFL is a privelage not a right. If i did half the things he did at my job, i would be fired, without any thought. Don't even play this BS card with me

No doubt. He doesn't want to see someone get treated unfairly in a negative way but if said criminal happens to have celebrity power and gets a less severe punishment then what he deserves......hes got no problem.

In all reality, I could care less if the sentence is reduced or not. Im just waiting to see what happens next time he screws up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No doubt. He doesn't want to see someone get treated unfairly in a negative way but if said criminal happens to have celebrity power and gets a less severe punishment then what he deserves......hes got no problem.

In all reality, I could care less if the sentence is reduced or not. Im just waiting to see what happens next time he screws up.

Dont deign to put words in my mouth. i just said that i found high value in equal protection so why you would think that i would support special treatment for celebrities is completely unfounded. i have never once had any comment on the criminal aspect of Jones' case.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think your putting a lot of faith into something that hasn't provided a whole lot of supporting info for this theory. It serves no purpose, that I can see, to bring charges against a player and have it drawn out in court, only to lose. Underminds the credability of the NFL product and won't ultimatly serve the objective of the NFL, which is to clean up it's image. Basically, it would cost them more money and fans IMO.

I think the NFL has made it's ruling and it's now the NFLPA's problem.

it makes zeo zense to rule on Jones who still has cases pending and ignore Johnson who has already been to jail and released. Why do you think he did that then?

 

[dargonking999]

it makes zeo zense to rule on Jones who still has cases pending and ignore Johnson who has already been to jail and released. Why do you think he did that then?

he didn't ignore Johsnon. He's suppose to ruling on him this week. Get you r info together

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

oh please, the NFL is a privelage not a right. If i did half the things he did at my job, i would be fired, without any thought. Don't even play this BS card with me

You keep on telling yourself thatbut its not going to prevent Jones from suing the NFL and having a chance to win.

I thought it was poor form for a union that had advocated the likes of Dexter Manley to just play el matador with Jones. Im happy to see that it is no longer the case.

Additionally this ruling was made under the old system and i dont like the fact that the escalation in punishment was unprecedented. Im not saying that he does not deserve punishment but i believe in a fair punishment not draconian.

your problem is your ideal scenario of everyone forsaking Jones and allowing him to get railroaded isnt working out so well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he didn't ignore Johsnon. He's suppose to ruling on him this week. Get you r info together

its been three weeks. supposedly there is something imminent but its obvious goodell is playing wait and see. bottomline is that 3 weeks ago he had all the information he needed about johnson as the case was closed.

 

[dargonking999]

You keep on telling yourself thatbut its not going to prevent Jones from suing the NFL and having a chance to win.

I thought it was poor form for a union that had advocated the likes of Dexter Manley to just play el matador with Jones. Im happy to see that it is no longer the case.

Additionally this ruling was made under the old system and i dont like the fact that the escalation in punishment was unprecedented. Im not saying that he does not deserve punishment but i believe in a fair punishment not draconian.

your problem is your ideal scenario of everyone forsaking Jones and allowing him to get railroaded isnt working out so well.

He has no standing in legal court. He is being punished for his actions, not whether or not the police are filing a report or not.

Just because there isn't a precedent doesn't mean that you can't make a ruling. How do you think precedents are made? You think someone just writes it down, no, it takes a major case ruling.

Whether you think its unfair or not, this has to be done. He was by far the most publicized athlete in the NFL, and it had nothing to do with his on the field play. And the NFL needs to stand up and say this can no longer be done

the NFL is his employer, they are not firing him, they are suspending him without pay, because of conduct determinant to the company. That is a legal and withholding stance in court. Employers hold every single card. Pac man will hold no standing in court, no matter what the lawyers are trying to feed him

 

[dargonking999]

its been three weeks. supposedly there is something imminent but its obvious goodell is playing wait and see. bottomline is that 3 weeks ago he had all the information he needed about johnson as the case was closed.

but once again, he gave a deadline for his decision. So your point is still broken

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He has no standing in legal court. He is being punished for his actions, not whether or not the police are filing a report or not.

Just because there isn't a precedent doesn't mean that you can't make a ruling. How do you think precedents are made? You think someone just writes it down, no, it takes a major case ruling.

Whether you think its unfair or not, this has to be done. He was by far the most publicized athlete in the NFL, and it had nothing to do with his on the field play. And the NFL needs to stand up and say this can no longer be done

the NFL is his employer, they are not firing him, they are suspending him without pay, because of conduct determinant to the company. That is a legal and withholding stance in court. Employers hold every single card. Pac man will hold no standing in court, no matter what the lawyers are trying to feed him

Like i said you keep telling yourself that. If he can demonstrate that there were similar circumstances and a lesser punishment i could see a judge allowing ot to go to trial. The NFL may win but that is for a jury to decide.

And nothing 'has' to happen. There is a difference in you wanting something to happen and it 'have' to happen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

but once again, he gave a deadline for his decision. So your point is still broken

he made the friggin deadline who cares. he did it so he could wait and see. hes all over the place even if youre too blind to see it.

 

[WoodysGirl]

he made the friggin deadline who cares. he did it so he could wait and see. hes all over the place even if youre too blind to see it.

wait and see for what? From what I've been reading, it's all about timing. You had the owners meeting, superbowl vote, and the holiday. With pacman, his appeal resolution was held up due to paperwork from what I've read, so I don't really see Goodell just twiddling his thumbs waiting on new info coming to light.

 

[superpunk]

"Your suspension of Jones without pay for the 2007 season is clearly excessive and much greater than discipline imposed upon players for the same or similar incidents," NFLPA staff counsel Thomas DePaso wrote in a May 23 letter.

Oh, herro.....you don't say? Bout time they pulled their heads out of their *****.

 

[dargonking999]

wait and see for what? From what I've been reading, it's all about timing. You had the owners meeting, superbowl vote, and the holiday. With pacman, his appeal resolution was held up due to paperwork from what I've read, so I don't really see Goodell just twiddling his thumbs waiting on new info coming to light.

stop with the logic. He's got that fuzzy stuff in his head. He aint ever gonna see the truth

 

[BouncingCheese]

No way; Goodell loses power in the players' eyes I would think.

Besides, Goodell has bigger fish to fry with Vick; he can suspend vick for "conduct detrimental to the team"... That has so many loopholes I don't even want to get into it; All I am going to say is that Vick can be suspended wether or not he is convicted under that blanket statement, correct?

Because I would think just by his name being involved in this incident as well as this seedy subculture, as well as essentially putting the season and fan support of the team in jeopardy that would be conduct detrimental enough and grounds for suspension.

I am sure Goodell is not going to do that, but under his statement wouldn't you think that would be the proper if not desirable course of action? I understand that Goodell made it possible for suspension even before the court becomes involved was placed so players would stay away from wrongdoings and criminal activities, but I think it has backfired in his face.