PFT's Florio Rails on McShay and ESPN Scouts

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DID MCSHAY MISLEAD WOODSON?
Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2008, 9:30 a.m.

In response to the news that Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson was under the mistaken impression that he’d be drafted in the second round of last month’s draft, one league source is pointing the blame directly at Todd McShay and other wannabe scouts who don’t know as much as they think they know about what teams will do.

We tried to search ESPN.com for McShay’s 2008 mock drafts. His final 2008 mock draft now comes up as “null.” The Scouts Inc. final mock, prepared by McShay and two others, is still alive.

In that mock draft, McShay and company had Woodson going in round three to the Bears. Instead, Woodson was selected in round six by the New York Giants.

The following is an opinion that was passed along to us by the source, based on McShay’s assessment of Woodson.

“The problem with people like McShay is that they have no accountability,” the source said. “They can say what they want and when they are wrong no one cares, [except] the kid’s family. McShay could not get a job with any NFL team, even as an intern. He is a very poor evaluator. He proved it with his evaluation of Woodson.

“Woodson’s problem, and most everyone in the league saw it, was he has a very slow release and he stares down his receivers. In our league, he would get a very high percentage of interceptions because of his flaws. His accuracy is very average at best, so you put a slow release, not good accuracy, and stares down receivers and you get a guy who can’t play quarterback in the NFL.

“The networks should hire real scouts not wannabes like McShay. The other kid at ESPN, Jeremy Green, was fired after a couple of years with a club because he couldn’t evaluate, yet he is an “expert” with ESPN. These guys make more than twice as much money as real scouts and they don’t have a clue. ESPN should grade what these guys say and fire them when they are wrong a lot more often than when they are right.”

Moving forward, we’ll be keeping a close eye on what McShay has to say, especially since he seems to be the “hair” apparent to Mel Kiper. And, apparently, we’ll need to print off all of McShay’s mock drafts, since after the fact they can’t be found in a medium that ordinarily is premised on saving stuff, not deleting it.

In saying this, we full acknowledge the fact that we offer up our own periodic mock drafts in the weeks leading up to the draft. But ours isn’t based on our own scouting assessment of the players; we do it based on the things we hear from folks in the know. Even then, our mock draft often is a complete mess, too.

It would be even more of a mess if we pretended to be scouts.
 

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The Gauntlet has been cast.

This could go for a whole lot of mock drafters out there who talk like they are experts because they have blogs.
 

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Oh Good Gawd. :rolleyes:

I think Scouts Inc pretty much suck, and have said so many times. But trying to hang a kid's decision to come out early on a poor mock draft of theirs is beyond ridiculous.

The NFL has an advisory council to give these kids an evaluation of where they might be drafted. Who the hell would trust some Kiper wannabe over them? Anyone who makes a life decision based on Scouts Inc deserves whatever they get.
 

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most football fans know this.... wasnt it the guy on ESPN that ripped the Colts for passing on Trent Dilfer!


Scouts do it 4 the love of the game the talking heads do it 4 the money idiots pay 4 the info....
 

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Florio is so stupid it isnt even funny anymore...and it used to be funny

Woodson had a number of flaws in his game which became apparent as this yr wore on, and I saw very mixed opinions on where he'd be drafted...some had him early, some had him late

this happens every yr...some guys expecting to go early dont get drafted till late, some dont get drafted at all...this isnt the first time this has ever happened

this is just another shining example of The Daily Turd in action

David
 

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Chocolate Lab;2081231 said:
Oh Good Gawd. :rolleyes:

I think Scouts Inc pretty much suck, and have said so many times. But trying to hang a kid's decision to come out early on a poor mock draft of theirs is beyond ridiculous.

The NFL has an advisory council to give these kids an evaluation of where they might be drafted. Who the hell would trust some Kiper wannabe over them? Anyone who makes a life decision based on Scouts Inc deserves whatever they get.

he didnt declare early, he was a Senior...I'm not sure exactly what Florio is suggesting...honestly it sounds like he just has an ax to grind with ESPN and/or McShay

or it could be he just doesnt have a freaking clue

David
 

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Chocolate Lab;2081250 said:
Well that's even more stupid, then. :cool:

I agree...hence my theory that he doesnt have a clue is proven again

They dont call it the Daily Turd for nuthin

David
 

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dbair1967;2081234 said:
Florio is so stupid it isnt even funny anymore...and it used to be funny

Woodson had a number of flaws in his game which became apparent as this yr wore on, and I saw very mixed opinions on where he'd be drafted...some had him early, some had him late

this happens every yr...some guys expecting to go early dont get drafted till late, some dont get drafted at all...this isnt the first time this has ever happened

this is just another shining example of The Daily Turd in action

David
Uh...I think that's his point. He's saying McShay was too stupid to realize it and constantly had Woodson going to high.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2081231 said:
Oh Good Gawd. :rolleyes:

I think Scouts Inc pretty much suck, and have said so many times. But trying to hang a kid's decision to come out early on a poor mock draft of theirs is beyond ridiculous.

The NFL has an advisory council to give these kids an evaluation of where they might be drafted. Who the hell would trust some Kiper wannabe over them? Anyone who makes a life decision based on Scouts Inc deserves whatever they get.

:hammer:
 

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Its awesome when one crappy service is accusing another crappy service of being more crappy.

Its funny to hear them dog green and mcshay. Any novice can listen for a second and realize they are out of their element when it comes to scouting and grading players.

Espn is so far from what it could and should be.
 

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theebs;2081341 said:
Its awesome when one crappy service is accusing another crappy service of being more crappy.

Its funny to hear them dog green and mcshay. Any novice can listen for a second and realize they are out of their element when it comes to scouting and grading players.

Espn is so far from what it could and should be.

at least if they have experts, they can make sure that they are indeed, experts
 

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It is about time those idiots has been called out, by someone in their circle. I have been saying it for years, that the so called experts(scouts) do not know crap if it was thrown in their faces.

But yet a lot of people live on their every words. I really wish I knew how they get those jobs, when I find out I will be applying.
 

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McShay had us picking Justin King CB from penn st. with one of our 1st round picks....he went in the 4th round..
 

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Ah yes, those Florio "sources" who just happen to have the same type of language and syntax every time they speak.

The guy is so full of garbage that it affects global warming.





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dbair1967;2081234 said:
Florio is so stupid it isnt even funny anymore...and it used to be funny

Woodson had a number of flaws in his game which became apparent as this yr wore on, and I saw very mixed opinions on where he'd be drafted...some had him early, some had him late

this happens every yr...some guys expecting to go early dont get drafted till late, some dont get drafted at all...this isnt the first time this has ever happened

this is just another shining example of The Daily Turd in action

David

Gosselin is the best mock draft/draft projector guy there is and he had Woodson ranked as the #100 player. Gosselin doesn't claim to be a scout or base his rankings on his own personal opinions, but rather on what info he gathers from team scouts. If he had Woodson at #100, then McShay claiming that Woodson would be a 3rd round pick isn't extreme.





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MONT17;2081233 said:
most football fans know this.... wasnt it the guy on ESPN that ripped the Colts for passing on Trent Dilfer!


Scouts do it 4 the love of the game the talking heads do it 4 the money idiots pay 4 the info....


That was Mel Kiper and he turned out to be right.

Trent Dilfer is still playing in the league, albeit as a back up, while Trev Alberts ( and I'm a Husker fan, by the way ) was a bust because he couldn't stay healthy, which was one of the knocks against him.
 

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Don't most mock drafts start coming out AFTER the players have declared if they are entering the draft???
 
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