PFW Draft Audibles: What NFL personnel evaluators are saying

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Draft Audibles
What NFL personnel evaluators are saying

By Nolan Nawrocki
April 16, 2007

With two weeks until the draft, NFL teams have begun meetings to finalize their draft boards. As one veteran GM said, you cannot believe anything you hear at this time of the year, and we certainly do not trust everything we hear, including many of the remarks made by NFL evaluators below. However, the following is some of what evaluators have been saying in April.

“I threw a grade on Calvin Johnson that you could not take off with Ajax. It’s the highest grade I’ve ever given a player. … You can build around a quarterback. You can with a left tackle or a running back. It’s difficult for a receiver to make as much of an impact. When you are starting from scratch, it’s not the first position you are looking for.”

“(Falcons head coach) Bobby Petrino wants to get bigger on both sides of the ball, and they don’t have a lot of beef up front.”

“It’s amazing how much bad information is starting to fly. You better have your own intelligence or you could be had. I’ve heard new injury concerns arising on so many players. Teams are trying to get their guys.”

“Anyone who is going to criticize (LSU QB) JaMarcus Russell’s understanding of the game needs to remember that Steve McNair came into the league with a seventh-grade comprehension level. He was able to learn it."

“If anyone but Russell goes No. 1, the Browns will be doing cartwheels.”
“(Notre Dame QB) Brady Quinn is so dedicated, so committed, so programmed — he will become great because he will work as hard as Peyton Manning and he has more ability.”

“(Arkansas DE) Jamaal Anderson has not grown into his body yet. He is still trying to figure out how to play at high weight. People forget he came to school as a receiver. He’s so elongated that he starts stumbling when he comes out of his stance. He just has to mature physically and fill out, but he shows you enough right now to make you feel comfortable taking a chance on him.”

“The more I see of (Arkansas OT) Tony Ugoh, the more I like him. He competes. He’s got good feet. I think it’s unfair to pigeonhole him as a track (discus) guy. I think he could be a starting left tackle in the league.”

“(Boston College OT) James Marten is a big, developmental offensive tackle. If you study him in pass protection, he gets beat every game. I thought Jeremy Trueblood was a lot better, and that’s not saying much.”

“I like James Marten a lot. Put on the Clemson game and see what he did vs. Gaines Adams, and you’ll like him a lot more.”

“(Nebraska DE) Adam Carriker was coached not to make plays. He was asked to take up space and eat up blocks, not to come off the ball and get upfield. When you consider how the scheme called for him to play and see what he showed he could do at the Senior Bowl, I think he is all the more impressive. … To be honest, what scares me most about him is that he is married already. Why get married before college? I hate to even say it, because a family can be a tremendous stabilizing force and I am a family guy, but I’ve seen it happen way too much. … The first three years in the league, it hurts players when they are attached. I have a difficult time drafting players who are married in the first two rounds. It’s just not good. There are exceptions, but as a rule, you tell me who was married coming out of college and turned out to reach their potential. It does not happen a lot. It's a lot to overcome."

“(Texas S) Michael Griffin is a good player. He’s the second safety on our board behind (LSU FS LaRon) Landry. He’s smarter than (Florida FS Reggie) Nelson, and his character is much better than (Miami FS Brandon) Meriweather. He worked out better than both of them at the Combine. He’s more physical than either. He’s the best of all of them on special teams. He’s got a lot of value. I don’t think he will last very long. I think someone will take him in the middle of the first round.”

“Why do teams become enamored with defensive linemen this time of year? Because there are not any. They are very difficult to find.”

“This is the time of the year that a lot of mistakes are made. What happens in nearly every draft room — you talk to (evaluators) from different teams with different philosophies, and you find out you are going to have to draft a player a round or two sooner than you would like to get the player, and all of a sudden, players start moving up draft boards because of needs. The teams that do not get caught up in perception and where players will be drafted and let the board fall to them are the teams that typically draft the best, at least if their boards are stacked well.”

“There was not a scout who went through Washington State in the fall who thought (WR Jason) Hill could run. He is a 210-pounder with deceptive speed. They ask him to go vertical a lot in their offense, but I think he could sink his hips and get out of breaks.”

“It seemed like every tight end coach in the league was at (Minnesota TE) Matt Spaeth's workout. He did not lift. He ran in the low 4.8s. He’s a good blocker.”

"How well Kevin Boothe and Jahri Evans played as rookies is going to help (Towson OT) Jermon Bushrod. He's raw, but I think he's better than both of them."

"Alan Branch does not make any plays, and I don't like his lack of hustle."

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“(Texas S) Michael Griffin is a good player. He’s the second safety on our board behind (LSU FS LaRon) Landry. He’s smarter than (Florida FS Reggie) Nelson, and his character is much better than (Miami FS Brandon) Meriweather. He worked out better than both of them at the Combine. He’s more physical than either. He’s the best of all of them on special teams. He’s got a lot of value. I don’t think he will last very long. I think someone will take him in the middle of the first round.”




Let me guess. This is from the Commander's brain trust?
 

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WoodysGirl;1457737 said:
“(Texas S) Michael Griffin is a good player. He’s the second safety on our board behind (LSU FS LaRon) Landry. He’s smarter than (Florida FS Reggie) Nelson, and his character is much better than (Miami FS Brandon) Meriweather. He worked out better than both of them at the Combine. He’s more physical than either. He’s the best of all of them on special teams. He’s got a lot of value. I don’t think he will last very long. I think someone will take him in the middle of the first round.”


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Why do I get the feeling that this is Jerry?

Griffin in the first is a big mistake Jerry.....
 

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WoodysGirl;1457737 said:
"Alan Branch does not make any plays, and I don't like his lack of hustle."

Now the Commanders are almost guaranteed to take him in the 1st. They may even trade up for him.:laugh2:
 

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WoodysGirl;1457737 said:
“(Texas S) Michael Griffin is a good player. He’s the second safety on our board behind (LSU FS LaRon) Landry. He’s smarter than (Florida FS Reggie) Nelson, and his character is much better than (Miami FS Brandon) Meriweather. He worked out better than both of them at the Combine. He’s more physical than either. He’s the best of all of them on special teams. He’s got a lot of value. I don’t think he will last very long. I think someone will take him in the middle of the first round.”

I think I may be the only other person in the world who agrees with this.
 

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masomenos85;1457750 said:
I think I may be the only other person in the world who agrees with this.

I hope so.

I'd sure hate it if Jerry agreed with you.
 

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Almost everything I read on Griffin is he's not that good in coverage. I really haven't seen him enough to base an opinion. Is the guy capable of man coverage well enough to be a first round choice?
 

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jobberone;1457762 said:
Almost everything I read on Griffin is he's not that good in coverage. I really haven't seen him enough to base an opinion. Is the guy capable of man coverage well enough to be a first round choice?

Here's a few quotes regarding Griffin:

"[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Regarded by many NFL teams as the best strong safety prospect in the draft due to his hard-hitting tackling skills, Griffin's range and quickness might be a better fit for free safety at the next level" NFL Draft Scout

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[/SIZE][/FONT]Shows the ability to change directions quickly, explodes out of cuts and has good short-area man-to-man cover skills. Possesses good top-end speed, has long arms and can cover the deep middle of the field when he makes the right reads. Is tall, has god leaping ability and flashes the ability to catch the ball at its highest point. Possesses decent ball skills and is capable of making some big plays in coverage." Scouts Inc

So many people point to UTs poor pass defense ranking but really that stat doesn't paint the whole picture. Griffin was asked to play closer to the LOS this year because of poor LB play and it took him out of position and forced the CBs to play on an island. He's a player who's dropping based on a "poor" senior season, where he still produced despite the teams pass defense taking a hit. As his combine times show he has just as much range as any safety in the draft as he is 1st in medium range and long range ranking. He's fast, causes turnovers and is willing in run support with 7 INTs, 18 PBUs and 250 tackles in the past two years. People are down on him because of Texas' defensive ranking but the kid is a good player and should make a very good pro.
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Also here are the stats from is main coverage assignments:

TE Beau Davidson North Texas- 1 catch 6 yards
TE Rory Nicol Ohio State - 1 catch for 2 yards
TE Chance Talbot Rice - 0 catches for 0 yards
TE Ben Barkema Iowa St - 0 catches for 0 yards
TE Blake Martin Sam Houston St - 3 catches for 39 yards
TE Joe Finley Oklahoma -2 catches for 3 yards
TE Mike Miller Baylor- 0 catches for 0 yards
TE Matt Herrian Nebraska - 2 catches for 11 yards
TE Robert Johnson Texas Tech - 9 catches for 98 yards
TE Justin Waller Oklahoma St - 0 catches for 0 yards
TE Rashad Norwood Kansas St - 3 catches for 52 yards
TE Martel Bennett Texas A&M - 1 catch for 4 yards
TW Scott Chandler Iowa - 2 catches for 36 yards

totals: 24 catches for 251 yards
 

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I almost can't believe that comment on Carriker. Why would being married be such a detriment to a player?

And Brady Quinn has more ability than Peyton Manning? Okay...
 

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Chocolate Lab;1457799 said:
I almost can't believe that comment on Carriker. Why would being married be such a detriment to a player?

And Brady Quinn has more ability than Peyton Manning? Okay...

I think the perception is a married player is less likely to be devoted to the weight room, film study, etc......

With the focus on trying to get players that won't go to jail, I'd think being married would be a bonus.....He'd be less likely to spend late nights at a strip club.

Notice I said LESS LIKELY.....
 

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Chocolate Lab;1457799 said:
I almost can't believe that comment on Carriker. Why would being married be such a detriment to a player?
I didn't get that either. But then folks are now saying that while being married was a plus for Carr when he was being drafted, now it was a detriment to his development as an NFL player, because he'd rather spend time with his family than dedicate to the game. That could be what the guy meant.
And Brady Quinn has more ability than Peyton Manning? Okay...
I thought they were comparing him to Russell. Guess I misread that.
 

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Bizwah;1457804 said:
I think the perception is a married player is less likely to be devoted to the weight room, film study, etc......
I figure he'd be living in the weight room to get away from the nagging... That's probably why he's so darn strong at this point. :p:

Just kidding, ladies (kinda)... But really, players used to marry younger all the time in years past. I can't see how it would be a bad thing, as long as there wasn't some serious trouble in the relationship.
 

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The marriage thing- from what I have seen over the years most coaches want a married guy- less likelly to get in trouble.
Brady Quinn is physically superior to Peyton Manning, but then most QBs are. Peyton is not exactly a great athlete.
 

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the fear w/ married players is that there is a perception that they feel that they have everything they could ask for: a wife, a good career, already...so that they may not push themselves to be better once they get into the pros

again, it's just a perception
 

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masomenos85;1457786 said:
Here's a few quotes regarding Griffin:

"[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Regarded by many NFL teams as the best strong safety prospect in the draft due to his hard-hitting tackling skills, Griffin's range and quickness might be a better fit for free safety at the next level" NFL Draft Scout

[SIZE=-2]"[/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT]Shows the ability to change directions quickly, explodes out of cuts and has good short-area man-to-man cover skills. Possesses good top-end speed, has long arms and can cover the deep middle of the field when he makes the right reads. Is tall, has god leaping ability and flashes the ability to catch the ball at its highest point. Possesses decent ball skills and is capable of making some big plays in coverage." Scouts Inc

So many people point to UTs poor pass defense ranking but really that stat doesn't paint the whole picture. Griffin was asked to play closer to the LOS this year because of poor LB play and it took him out of position and forced the CBs to play on an island. He's a player who's dropping based on a "poor" senior season, where he still produced despite the teams pass defense taking a hit. As his combine times show he has just as much range as any safety in the draft as he is 1st in medium range and long range ranking. He's fast, causes turnovers and is willing in run support with 7 INTs, 18 PBUs and 250 tackles in the past two years. People are down on him because of Texas' defensive ranking but the kid is a good player and should make a very good pro.
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I see you get the Scout, too. :) There is a reason why Griffin is listed as the best SS in the draft.

I have no problem with him as he's really capable of playing both positions. I just don't see him as having the same skill set for man coverage as the top three safeties. But he's not far off Meriweather or Nelson.

I'd like to see us get the best man coverage player available since we are stuck with RW at SS.

I wouldn't cry over Griffin at 22 though.
 

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I don't want a man coverage safety. I want a guy that can cover a lot of ground very quickly, but better yet has the instincts to know where to go -- someone who plays well with his face to the QB. In my opinion, Henry to FS made way too much sense, which is probably why it didn't happen.
 

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masomenos85;1457750 said:
I think I may be the only other person in the world who agrees with this.

"With two weeks until the draft, NFL teams have begun meetings to finalize their draft boards. As one veteran GM said, you cannot believe anything you hear at this time of the year, and we certainly do not trust everything we hear, including many of the remarks made by NFL evaluators below. However, the following is some of what evaluators have been saying in April."
 

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Bob Sacamano;1457886 said:
the fear w/ married players is that there is a perception that they feel that they have everything they could ask for: a wife, a good career, already...so that they may not push themselves to be better once they get into the pros

again, it's just a perception

I can see why some people might think that.

With me it's the opposite.

I'm driven by the fact that I have to provide for my family. I work hard for them. If I was alone, I'd probably be a little more lax.
 

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All we have to do is watch Hatcher for evaluation. He has wife and kid(s). I expect him to make huge strides this year.
 
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