Pickens Greater Than Sir Drop-A-Lot

Being a curious sort I went and looked up some playoff caliber opponents and how CeeDee has done against them.

2025-09-04 - Against the defending Super Bowl champions. 7 catches 110 yards
2024-12-22 - Against NFC South Champion Bucs 7 for 105 (Cooper Rush game)
2024-11-24 - Against NFC Championship game runner up Ratscums 10 for 67 (cooper Rush game)
2023-12-23 - Against NFC Championship runner up Lions 13 for 227 1 TD (career best for catches and yards)
2023-11-05 - Against the playoff bound Eagles 11 for 191 1 TD a playoff team.

So I only made it back to midseason of 2023 and found already 4 100 yard games and one 200 yard game. And the two best games of his career seen to have come against the Lions and Eagles in 2023.

He also had 100+ yards in both of his last two playoff games..

Kinda looks to me like Lamb eats against everybody.
In the wild card game vs GB he threw a tantrum on the sideline and disappeared. This year against the Eagles he single handedly cost the Cowboys the win. Remember i said he wasn’t clutch. I wont argue against his productivity. I argue that I haven’t seen Lamb produce in the clutch moments. I’m a fan I hope he proves me wrong. Those packers and eagles games leave me with disappointment.
 
Amari Cooper's stats before and after coming to Dallas. It's clear as day he got paid because he came to Dallas and was able to "elevate" his game playing with Dak. He wasn't doing it in Oakland with Carr.

SeasonAgeTeamLgPosGGSTgtRecYdsY/RTD1DSucc%LngR/GY/GCtch%Y/TgtAttYdsTD1DSucc%LngY/AY/GA/GTouchY/TchYScmRRTDFmbAVAwards
201521OAKNFLWR161513072107014.964747.7684.566.955.48.23-30033.32-1.0-0.20.27514.21067619PB,AP ORoY-3
201622OAKNFLWR161413283115313.954946.2645.272.162.98.710000.00.00.00.18413.711535210PB
201723OAKNFLWR1412964868014.272839.6873.448.650.07.11401100.044.00.30.14914.0684716
2018242TMNFLWR151510775100513.475362.6905.067.070.19.422001100.01110.01.30.17713.31025728PB
201824OAKNFLWR66312228012.711467.7363.746.771.09.01900100.099.01.50.22312.6289102
201824DALNFLWR99765372513.763960.5905.980.669.79.511101100.01111.01.20.15413.6736626
201925DALNFLWR161611979118915.185463.0534.974.366.410.01600100.066.00.40.18014.91195809PB
202026DALNFLWR161513092111412.155463.1695.869.670.88.66140166.7102.30.90.49811.51128509
202127DALNFLWR15141046886512.784553.8414.557.765.48.300000.00.06812.7865817
04
Can't argue with those before and after numbers. Good post.
 
And what does that have to do with Dak helping Amani get paid?

Dak wasn't the one who was kicked off his team cause he was playing bad. It was Cooper . And he had his best seasons in his career here with Dak. Not with any other QB Meanwhile Dak has played better with other WRs.
Fair points.
 
Amari Cooper

Career stats

Year
Team

REC
Total receptions
YDS
Receiving yards
AVG
Receiving yards per reception
TD
Receiving touchdowns


2024
BUF
20

297
2
14.8

2024
CLE

24
250
10.4
2

2023

CLE
72

1,250

17.4

5

2022

CLE
78

1,160
14.9

9

2021

DAL
68

865


12.7
8

2020

DAL
92


1,114
12.1

5

2019

DAL
79

1,189

15.1

8

2018
DAL
53
725
13.7
6
 
In the wild card game vs GB he threw a tantrum on the sideline and disappeared. This year against the Eagles he single handedly cost the Cowboys the win. Remember i said he wasn’t clutch. I wont argue against his productivity. I argue that I haven’t seen Lamb produce in the clutch moments. I’m a fan I hope he proves me wrong. Those packers and eagles games leave me with disappointment.
This post matches my feelings on the matter.
 
Pickens is made for the moment. He does not shrink or fumble on multiple key possessions like CD. He fights for the ball and has great agility.I've always said Ceedee was more of a 1A WR in my opinion.

He runs excellent routes.but I just don't trust him when you truly need it. And from what i'm seeing from Pickens, he would be an upgrade at number one if he can continue to progress with his route running.
How about the catching the ball part? I saw drops and Pickens in the thread title and thought you were talking about his dropsies, not saying Cee Dee routinely drops passes. He had a bad game. From what I see, Pickens has lapses in concentration which is why he is a great contested catch maker but drops the routine or easy passes.
 
Pickens is made for the moment. He does not shrink or fumble on multiple key possessions like CD. He fights for the ball and has great agility.I've always said Ceedee was more of a 1A WR in my opinion.

He runs excellent routes.but I just don't trust him when you truly need it. And from what i'm seeing from Pickens, he would be an upgrade at number one if he can continue to progress with his route running.
Late to this post but I think you might be on to something. Sometimes the moment is too big for CD and he mentally folds, and blames Dak and has an outburst. The pressure is just too much at his age being a young guy. You feed a guy a ball all the time and their numbers are going to be good.

Pickens is a big play waiting to happen but not as talented as CD, I think. Although he hasn’t been given the opportunity to show you what he is yet, and I hope we find out. He has obvious had maturity issues… but young and not allowed to grow in a good environment but hopefully he does with Dallas. He hasn’t had a good QB and an offense designed around getting him the ball, so I am not really sure which one is better.
 
Amari Cooper's stats before and after coming to Dallas. It's clear as day he got paid because he came to Dallas and was able to "elevate" his game playing with Dak. He wasn't doing it in Oakland with Carr.

SeasonAgeTeamLgPosGGSTgtRecYdsY/RTD1DSucc%LngR/GY/GCtch%Y/TgtAttYdsTD1DSucc%LngY/AY/GA/GTouchY/TchYScmRRTDFmbAVAwards
201521OAKNFLWR161513072107014.964747.7684.566.955.48.23-30033.32-1.0-0.20.27514.21067619PB,AP ORoY-3
201622OAKNFLWR161413283115313.954946.2645.272.162.98.710000.00.00.00.18413.711535210PB
201723OAKNFLWR1412964868014.272839.6873.448.650.07.11401100.044.00.30.14914.0684716
2018242TMNFLWR151510775100513.475362.6905.067.070.19.422001100.01110.01.30.17713.31025728PB
201824OAKNFLWR66312228012.711467.7363.746.771.09.01900100.099.01.50.22312.6289102
201824DALNFLWR99765372513.763960.5905.980.669.79.511101100.01111.01.20.15413.6736626
201925DALNFLWR161611979118915.185463.0534.974.366.410.01600100.066.00.40.18014.91195809PB
202026DALNFLWR161513092111412.155463.1695.869.670.88.66140166.7102.30.90.49811.51128509
202127DALNFLWR15141046886512.784553.8414.557.765.48.300000.00.06812.7865817
04
Clear as day? 2nd most yards for a season in Oakland? He was doing so bad in Oakland that you trade a first round pick to obtain him mid season, which turns around what would've been a bad season for a quarterback into a good one? Many of us where here at the time, and remember the news paper articles and sports radio shows. Amari was known for turning around Dak career; Dak was not known for making Amari great. But you go ahead and rewrite history if it makes you feel better. There plenty of other teams that could've traded for Amari and he would've been just as successful at. He went from one badly run organization to another at the end of the day.
 
Clear as day? 2nd most yards for a season in Oakland? He was doing so bad in Oakland that you trade a first round pick to obtain him mid season, which turns around what would've been a bad season for a quarterback into a good one? Many of us where here at the time, and remember the news paper articles and sports radio shows. Amari was known for turning around Dak career; Dak was not known for making Amari great. But you go ahead and rewrite history if it makes you feel better. There plenty of other teams that could've traded for Amari and he would've been just as successful at. He went from one badly run organization to another at the end of the day.
Did you see how his stats declined before being traded? Do you know how stats work? Do you understand the saying "What have you done for me lately? ". I guess not.
 
Did you see how his stats declined before being traded? Do you know how stats work? Do you understand the saying "What have you done for me lately? ". I guess not.
I think the general consensus at the time was that his stats being down wasn't on Amari and moreso on a badly run organization and that the cowboys won that trade, even gambling away a first round pick. You have any articles or sources that claim that Dak made Amari. Pretty much at the time, it was pretty much accepted that his presence here turned around a bad season by Dak.
 
I think the general consensus at the time was that his stats being down wasn't on Amari and moreso on a badly run organization and that the cowboys won that trade, even gambling away a first round pick. You have any articles or sources that claim that Dak made Amari. Pretty much at the time, it was pretty much accepted that his presence here turned around a bad sea
General consensus was we needed a real WR. When we made the trade,everybody hated the trade saying we overpaid for a first round bust because Cooper was having a terrible season .
All the Dak bashers said if he couldn't do well with Carr, Cooper wasn't going to do anything playing with Dak since Carr was a much better QB. They were all wrong.
 
Pickens has looked good in three straight games for the Cowboys.

So naturally he's better than a guy that has had, uh, three straight 100 catch seasons for the Cowboys.

:facepalm:
 
General consensus was we needed a real WR. When we made the trade,everybody hated the trade saying we overpaid for a first round bust because Cooper was having a terrible season .
All the Dak bashers said if he couldn't do well with Carr, Cooper wasn't going to do anything playing with Dak since Carr was a much better QB. They were all wrong.
This was around the time when we still had a great Offensive line. No reason that a good quarterback shouldn't be productive with that kind of offensive line and a true #1 receiver. you also didn't list Amari coopers stats after he left the cowboys. Which clearly shows that Dak didn't make Amari into a great receiver, that he had good seasons before the cowboys, during the cowboys and after the cowboys. You also didn't mention that people were pointing to his stats after he left on this board as an argument that we should've kept him around. I still believe that Dak may not have gotten a sweat deal here if Amari wouldn't have rejuvenated his career. We're lucky that That we've had Amari and then got Lamb.

2023
2023
Browns72
72
1,250
1,250
17.4
17.4
75
75
5
5
0
0
-
-
2022
2022
Browns78
78
1,160
1,160
14.9
14.9
55
55
9
9
0
0
-
-
2021
2021
Cowboys68
68
865
865
12.7
12.7
41
41
8
8
0
0
-
-
2020
2020
Cowboys92
92
1,114
1,114
12.1
12.1
69
69
5
5
14
14
2.3
2.3
2019
2019
Cowboys79
79
1,189
1,189
15.1
15.1
53
53
8
8
6
6
6.0
6.0
 
This was around the time when we still had a great Offensive line. No reason that a good quarterback shouldn't be productive with that kind of offensive line and a true #1 receiver. you also didn't list Amari coopers stats after he left the cowboys. Which clearly shows that Dak didn't make Amari into a great receiver, that he had good seasons before the cowboys, during the cowboys and after the cowboys. You also didn't mention that people were pointing to his stats after he left on this board as an argument that we should've kept him around. I still believe that Dak may not have gotten a sweat deal here if Amari wouldn't have rejuvenated his career. We're lucky that That we've had Amari and then got Lamb.

2023
2023
Browns72
72
1,250
1,250
17.4
17.4
75
75
5
5
0
0
-
-
2022
2022
Browns78
78
1,160
1,160
14.9
14.9
55
55
9
9
0
0
-
-
2021
2021
Cowboys68
68
865
865
12.7
12.7
41
41
8
8
0
0
-
-
2020
2020
Cowboys92
92
1,114
1,114
12.1
12.1
69
69
5
5
14
14
2.3
2.3
2019
2019
Cowboys79
79
1,189
1,189
15.1
15.1
53
53
8
8
6
6
6.0
6.0
Amari got paid because of playing in Dallas with Dak. He wasn't getting a big second contract with the Raiders playing with Carr. He was about to have two consecutive bad seasons before being traded.

Many here hated we traded for him And now you are making it sound like everyone loved getting him.
It's obvious you didn't watch any games in 2018
 
Pickens is made for the moment. He does not shrink or fumble on multiple key possessions like CD. He fights for the ball and has great agility.I've always said Ceedee was more of a 1A WR in my opinion.

He runs excellent routes.but I just don't trust him when you truly need it. And from what i'm seeing from Pickens, he would be an upgrade at number one if he can continue to progress with his route running.
Game 1 was really bad for CeeDee, but was not typical for CeeDee. CeeDee has been at least top 3 or 4 in the NFL the last few years.

Pickens has also dropped a few - right in his hands. We just don't notice it as much as with CeeDee in Game 1 because they are more spread out.

And I don't mean that as an indictment of Pickens. He's been very good.
 
Amari got paid because of playing in Dallas with Dak. He wasn't getting a big second contract with the Raiders playing with Carr. He was about to have two consecutive bad seasons before being traded.

Many here hated we traded for him And now you are making it sound like everyone loved getting him.
It's obvious you didn't watch any games in 2018
Obvious, you didn't frequent the board in 2018, people thought that Dak was done with before Amari turned things around with him. Watching games, remember on national TV a defense of one team, saying that they had figured Dak out, embarrassing to have to hear that during a national broadcast. Dak was seen as a Gimmick Quarterback, a one trick pony if you will, whose gimmick was the run-pass option. Yes, Dak did grow as a quarterback and proved he was more than just a gimmick QB, but this was during a time when doubts about Dak as a quarterback were setting in, and again, without Amari Cooper he wouldn't have turned 2018 around and might of not been the starting quarterback here as he is today. People will always hate trading a number one draft pick away, for good reason, as they do love getting two number picks from trading a player away. We going to pretend that it wasn't said in the Media and Cowboys fans alike that the cowboys won that trade with the Raiders. Heck even at the time, local sports talk were talking about that on the one hand the Raiders were a badly run organization that hadn't used Amari right. Like I said, Amari had good numbers on certain years before the cowboys, while being here, and after he left. He has proven himself to have been legit and was able to be legit without Dak. At the end of the day, Dak wasn't able to elevate other wide receivers around him and a midseason trade had to be made to save the season.
 
Obvious, you didn't frequent the board in 2018, people thought that Dak was done with before Amari turned things around with him. Watching games, remember on national TV a defense of one team, saying that they had figured Dak out, embarrassing to have to hear that during a national broadcast. Dak was seen as a Gimmick Quarterback, a one trick pony if you will, whose gimmick was the run-pass option. Yes, Dak did grow as a quarterback and proved he was more than just a gimmick QB, but this was during a time when doubts about Dak as a quarterback were setting in, and again, without Amari Cooper he wouldn't have turned 2018 around and might of not been the starting quarterback here as he is today. People will always hate trading a number one draft pick away, for good reason, as they do love getting two number picks from trading a player away. We going to pretend that it wasn't said in the Media and Cowboys fans alike that the cowboys won that trade with the Raiders. Heck even at the time, local sports talk were talking about that on the one hand the Raiders were a badly run organization that hadn't used Amari right. Like I said, Amari had good numbers on certain years before the cowboys, while being here, and after he left. He has proven himself to have been legit and was able to be legit without Dak. At the end of the day, Dak wasn't able to elevate other wide receivers around him and a midseason trade had to be made to save the season.
You are just stating your opinion while I am stating facts. And my point from the start was about Amari getting his bag and not about Dak. So why do you keep bringing up Dak? Dak didn't get paid till 2021 Amari got paid in 2019. You’re not making any sense.
 
You are just stating your opinion while I am stating facts. And my point from the start was about Amari getting his bag and not about Dak. So why do you keep bringing up Dak? Dak didn't get paid till 2021 Amari got paid in 2019. You’re not making any sense.
your original claim: "Amari Cooper's stats before and after coming to Dallas. It's clear as day he got paid because he came to Dallas and was able to "elevate" his game playing with Dak. He wasn't doing it in Oakland with Carr." That was your original response to the Claim of "It's the opposite for Amari, he helped rejuvenate Dak's career when it was at a low point." when in reference to Pickens going to get rich because of Dak.

I've pointed out, that considering that Dak was getting national flack at the time for being on a downward trend, that Amari Cooper coming to Dallas rejuvenated Dak's career, which is fact given that Dak failed to elevate the receivers he had, a mid season trade had to be made to save the season, and the result were that Dak ended up having a respectable season instead of a failed season because of Amari Cooper making Dak look good again after a bad start to a season. you had said before and after when referring to Amari's stats but failed to provide the stats after he left the cowboys? Was that still oversight or bad faith? Amari had respectable stats before, during and after the cowboys, which is fact. Yes, his numbers went down in Oakland, but at the time before he came to the cowboys and after he helped in the turn around, there were sport analysts saying that the blame may have layed more on the hands of a badly run organization that the Raiders were. It is also true that at the time, many in the media were speculating that Dak was just a gimmick quarterback, something he deserves credit for overcoming, but also something that Amari coming to Dallas helped stop talk thereof. I think Amari could've found success on many other teams besides the Cowboys, but it is fact him coming to Dallas helped Rejuvenate Dak's career as supported by Daks stats with and without Amari playing.
 
Obvious, you didn't frequent the board in 2018, people thought that Dak was done with before Amari turned things around with him. Watching games, remember on national TV a defense of one team, saying that they had figured Dak out, embarrassing to have to hear that during a national broadcast. Dak was seen as a Gimmick Quarterback, a one trick pony if you will, whose gimmick was the run-pass option. Yes, Dak did grow as a quarterback and proved he was more than just a gimmick QB, but this was during a time when doubts about Dak as a quarterback were setting in, and again, without Amari Cooper he wouldn't have turned 2018 around and might of not been the starting quarterback here as he is today. People will always hate trading a number one draft pick away, for good reason, as they do love getting two number picks from trading a player away. We going to pretend that it wasn't said in the Media and Cowboys fans alike that the cowboys won that trade with the Raiders. Heck even at the time, local sports talk were talking about that on the one hand the Raiders were a badly run organization that hadn't used Amari right. Like I said, Amari had good numbers on certain years before the cowboys, while being here, and after he left. He has proven himself to have been legit and was able to be legit without Dak. At the end of the day, Dak wasn't able to elevate other wide receivers around him and a midseason trade had to be made to save the season.
A couple of things here.. First, I'm not a big believer in the whole "elevate receivers" thing. No QB can make a receiver catch the ball or get open. Hurns and Austin simply were not good enough. Secondly, obviously Dak was in the beginning of his 3rd season having lost Dez and Witten in the same offseason. That's two all pro type players taken away from a QB still finding his way and it was too much.
 
A couple of things here.. First, I'm not a big believer in the whole "elevate receivers" thing. No QB can make a receiver catch the ball or get open. Hurns and Austin simply were not good enough. Secondly, obviously Dak was in the beginning of his 3rd season having lost Dez and Witten in the same offseason. That's two all pro type players taken away from a QB still finding his way and it was too much.
Most here don't even comprehend what it means.
 

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