Pickens Greater Than Sir Drop-A-Lot

A couple of things here.. First, I'm not a big believer in the whole "elevate receivers" thing. No QB can make a receiver catch the ball or get open. Hurns and Austin simply were not good enough. Secondly, obviously Dak was in the beginning of his 3rd season having lost Dez and Witten in the same offseason. That's two all pro type players taken away from a QB still finding his way and it was too much.
No probs. I'm just saying that Amari was a legit #1 who escaped the Raiders. I think he could've easily found success under several quarterbacks at the time. Not a player that was elevated by anyone, just a player that managed to escape the Raiders. His post Cowboys stats prove that.
 
In the wild card game vs GB he threw a tantrum on the sideline and disappeared. This year against the Eagles he single handedly cost the Cowboys the win. Remember i said he wasn’t clutch. I wont argue against his productivity. I argue that I haven’t seen Lamb produce in the clutch moments. I’m a fan I hope he proves me wrong. Those packers and eagles games leave me with disappointment.
Define what a clutch moment is to you and let’s look at the data. He’s put up big stats in the playoffs and against top competition. To discredit that you define “clutch” as big moments that you remember, whatever you want it to mean. That’s not objective.

The good news is that “clutch” doesn’t really matter. Plays in the 1st quarter are just as important as those in the 4th quarter. So even if we cherry pick—those clutch drops didn’t actually lose the game.

Give me production over whatever we decide “clutch” is.
 
Lamb’s drop rate has been comfortably below league average the last 3 years - on remarkably high volume. Y’all are so silly.
 
A couple of things here.. First, I'm not a big believer in the whole "elevate receivers" thing. No QB can make a receiver catch the ball or get open. Hurns and Austin simply were not good enough. Secondly, obviously Dak was in the beginning of his 3rd season having lost Dez and Witten in the same offseason. That's two all pro type players taken away from a QB still finding his way and it was too much.
Great post.
 
your original claim: "Amari Cooper's stats before and after coming to Dallas. It's clear as day he got paid because he came to Dallas and was able to "elevate" his game playing with Dak. He wasn't doing it in Oakland with Carr." That was your original response to the Claim of "It's the opposite for Amari, he helped rejuvenate Dak's career when it was at a low point." when in reference to Pickens going to get rich because of Dak.

I've pointed out, that considering that Dak was getting national flack at the time for being on a downward trend, that Amari Cooper coming to Dallas rejuvenated Dak's career, which is fact given that Dak failed to elevate the receivers he had, a mid season trade had to be made to save the season, and the result were that Dak ended up having a respectable season instead of a failed season because of Amari Cooper making Dak look good again after a bad start to a season. you had said before and after when referring to Amari's stats but failed to provide the stats after he left the cowboys? Was that still oversight or bad faith? Amari had respectable stats before, during and after the cowboys, which is fact. Yes, his numbers went down in Oakland, but at the time before he came to the cowboys and after he helped in the turn around, there were sport analysts saying that the blame may have layed more on the hands of a badly run organization that the Raiders were. It is also true that at the time, many in the media were speculating that Dak was just a gimmick quarterback, something he deserves credit for overcoming, but also something that Amari coming to Dallas helped stop talk thereof. I think Amari could've found success on many other teams besides the Cowboys, but it is fact him coming to Dallas helped Rejuvenate Dak's career as supported by Daks stats with and without Amari playing.
You seem to have selective memory. My original claim you reply to was:
Dak's going to make Pickens a rich man. Just like he did for Amari and Cedric Wilson.
It's the opposite for Amari, he helped rejuvenate Dak's career when it was at a low point.
Then you post this which basically proves what I said.
Elevated play: According to CBS Sports, Prescott and Cooper "have each elevated each other's games".
Amari got his bag after the 2018 season after Dak had helped him elevate his game which goes back to what I originally posted.

Dak's going to make Pickens a rich man. Just like he did for Amari and Cedric Wilson.
Dak didn't get paid until much later in 2021.
 
Dak didn't get paid until much later in 2021.
I guess that I just see it that, an opinion, that Amari benefited Dak more than the other way around. Its not too unusual for a WR to get a second gig, even when having an off season, with another team. Amari could've had success with any number of other Quarterbacks. The Raider's organization were the problem not Amari. Without a mid-season trade, I'm still not convinced that Dak would still be the starting quarterback here.
 
Im still taken back a little by his mom talking smack against the team and Dak after the Green Bay playoff embarrassment. CeeDee has all world talent but I hate how this franchise just swallows up really talented guys with all the press and undue attention. It turns them into soft underachievers. He needs to get his head in the game.
 
I guess that I just see it that, an opinion, that Amari benefited Dak more than the other way around. Its not too unusual for a WR to get a second gig, even when having an off season, with another team. Amari could've had success with any number of other Quarterbacks. The Raider's organization were the problem not Amari. Without a mid-season trade, I'm still not convinced that Dak would still be the starting quarterback here.
He was kicked off of his team while still on his rookie contract. Raiders had 33-year Jody Nelson, Seth Roberts, Martavis Bryant, Marcell Ateman as WRs. Not exactly a team filled with great WR talent yet they sent Cooper packing. Had he not been traded and stayed with the Raiders, he would have ended up as a 1st round bust FA after his rookie contract expired. He wouldn't have gotten a big second contract like the one he got in Dallas after playing only 9 games with Dak in 2018.
 
He was kicked off of his team while still on his rookie contract. Raiders had 33-year Jody Nelson, Seth Roberts, Martavis Bryant, Marcell Ateman as WRs. Not exactly a team filled with great WR talent yet they sent Cooper packing. Had he not been traded and stayed with the Raiders, he would have ended up as a 1st round bust FA after his rookie contract expired. He wouldn't have gotten a big second contract like the one he got in Dallas after playing only 9 games with Dak in 2018.
Receivers tend to get second chances, especially if a high pick. I mean the Cowboys were willing to give up a first rounder for him.
 
Receivers tend to get second chances, especially if a high pick. I mean the Cowboys were willing to give up a first rounder for him.
Getting a second chance is not same as getting a big second contract

Cooper was a 4th overall pick. For them to let him go for just one 1st says they didnt think much of him. I remember reading they were willing to let him go for a 2nd and was ecstatic Jerry gave a 1st.
 
No probs. I'm just saying that Amari was a legit #1 who escaped the Raiders. I think he could've easily found success under several quarterbacks at the time. Not a player that was elevated by anyone, just a player that managed to escape the Raiders. His post Cowboys stats prove that.
100% agree. Coop was absolutely legit. One of the best technicians at route running the game has ever seen. Remember in that covid season when Dak went down, Coop was the only member of the offense whose production didn't really drop off a cliff when Dak went down. No matter who we put at QB, Coop did his thing. I always respected him for that, among other things. He was just one of those guys whose interests seemed to be elsewhere outside of football at times.
 
We are literally 2 weeks off from Pickens causing an interception from a ball Blum Inc off his hands.
 
Could it just be a case of "New Toy Syndrome"?

I don't think so and It's pretty even in my opinion.

There are 94 active WRs with at least 100 receptions in their careers. When you look at catch percentage, CD Lamb is ranked #25. George Pickens is ranked #77 so CD actually appears more consistent.

However, when it comes to yards per catch CD is in e middle, ranked at #45 whereas Pickens is ranked #3.

We have to take into consideration, the quality of QB play that Pickens experienced so far in his career.

Then again, CD's catch percentage with Cooper Rush was 65%. His productivity barely slipped.

Pickens is younger but still seems somewhat volatile. CD is a consummate professional and a good team player.

I can't blame Pickens for having that chip on his shoulder. Besides, it works for him....and the Cowboys.

Difficult to choose, to be honest. Love the competition between teammates, let's see some more.
 
Pickens is made for the moment. He does not shrink or fumble on multiple key possessions like CD. He fights for the ball and has great agility.I've always said Ceedee was more of a 1A WR in my opinion.

He runs excellent routes.but I just don't trust him when you truly need it. And from what i'm seeing from Pickens, he would be an upgrade at number one if he can continue to progress with his route running.
CeeDee has a habit of dropping a pass then has this look on his face that needs to be smacked off his face!
 

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