Picture of the microburst that hit Valley Ranch

[Audiman]

Hopefully you're not serious. Acts of God are not negligent by definition.

he didn't say they were. learn to read.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Can you imagine how important that photo will be to the maufacturer, contractor and designer of that building? Wow!

With all the litigation that will ensue from this weekend's tragedy, that picture could be an incredibly important piece of evidence. You will have engineers and experts theorize about what happened and each side will find plenty of experts to support their theory, but that picture will be crucial if it can authenticated.

 

[jobberone]

he didn't say they were. learn to read.

Are you speaking for him? If not then let him address me. His remarks appear insensitive and that's why I asked the question if he were serious. What's your problem with my asking him a question?

 

[DallasCowpoke]

I was never under the assumption that it was. I was simply repeating the description that was given to us by the media.

Oh, sorry. 'Cus this part of your previous post seemed clear you were.

Man. That just sucks. The odds of that happening right over the practice facility, which happens to have an air supported building of great size, must be astronomical.

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CNN Article.
Summit Structures of Allentown, Pennsylvania, and Cover-All Building Systems of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which built the dome, referred all questions to a Boston, Massachusetts, public relations firm.

The firm released a statement from Nathan Stobbe, Summit's president, who said he was in Texas working with officials to "assess this severe weather event."

The statement quoted the National Weather Service description of a microburst. It further said the facility was constructed in 2003. A new roof was installed on the building during a 2008 upgrade, the statement said.

"We understand there is a great deal of concern and curiosity about what happened on Saturday, but rather than speculate, we are focused on being part of the effort to find answers and assist the team," Stobbe's statement concluded.

Mariellen Burns of Regan Communications in Boston did not immediately respond to a follow-up e-mail inquiring what wind speeds the building was engineered to sustain.

At least three of Summit's competitors say their buildings can withstand winds of 140 mph or higher.

Donato Fraioli, the CEO of Air Structures American Technologies Inc., said the air-supported structure his company built for the Miami Dolphins can withstand winds up to 140 mph.

However, Fraioli said, several media outlets, including CNN, have been erroneously reporting that the Cowboys' structure was supported by air. The Cowboys' facility was supported by a metal frame, which is why so many people were hurt, he said.

Fraioli, who has 47 years of experience in air- and metal-supported structures, said his company has built air-supported structures in some of the most troublesome climates in the nation, including facilities for the New York Giants, New York Jets, Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks, Chicago Bears, Buffalo Bills and Philadelphia Eagles.

His company also has constructed metal-frame buildings -- generally for industrial applications and to accommodate aircraft -- and he has found that many football teams, both college and pro, are opting for air-supported structures because they are cheaper and safer.

"The worst that could happen if it had a failure of any sort ... the fabric would fall over the interior players," he said, adding that repairing an air-supported structure generally entails patching and re-inflating it, as opposed to reconstructing a metal frame.

Not only are the air-supported buildings safer in the event of a collapse, he said, but they're safer during practice as well.

"There are no steel beams to run into or any aluminum frames to run into," he said.


Metal frames also leave more room for construction and engineering error.

 

[tomson75]

Oh, sorry. 'Cus this part of your previous post seemed clear you were.

So what part of "repeating the description given to us by the media" is foreign to you?

I'm somewhat familiar with these types of structures (temporary, prefab), and was under no pretense that it was a giant "room bounce". Anyone that saw the post accident photos would know better.

Again, thanks for the pointing out the obvious. I'm sure we're all better off for it now.

 

[Big Dakota]

As opposed to gross negligence by the Cowboys organization in making sure their employee's workplace is safe.

I don't see that at all.

 

[Big Dakota]

Can you imagine how important that photo will be to the maufacturer, contractor and designer of that building? Wow!

With all the litigation that will ensue from this weekend's tragedy, that picture could be an incredibly important piece of evidence. You will have engineers and experts theorize about what happened and each side will find plenty of experts to support their theory, but that picture will be crucial if it can authenticated.

Sure looks like the smoking gun.

 

[Cowboys22]

Can you imagine how important that photo will be to the maufacturer, contractor and designer of that building? Wow!

With all the litigation that will ensue from this weekend's tragedy, that picture could be an incredibly important piece of evidence. You will have engineers and experts theorize about what happened and each side will find plenty of experts to support their theory, but that picture will be crucial if it can authenticated.

I couldn't agree with you more but that is why I stated "if what that picture shows is what hit the structure". I can't see anything in the photo that proves it was anywhere near Valley Ranch. Maybe I'm missing something but that picture could have been taken in Nebraska 10 years ago for all we know at this point.

 

[DeaconBlues]

I couldn't agree with you more but that is why I stated "if what that picture shows is what hit the structure". I can't see anything in the photo that proves it was anywhere near Valley Ranch. Maybe I'm missing something but that picture could have been taken in Nebraska 10 years ago for all we know at this point.

You wouldn't need evidence within the picture. The photographer would state the where, when and how the picture was taken.

 

[WG5516]

Also their is usually some GPS info stored in photos on the newer phones and cameras. So the picture can easily be authenticated from that.

 

[WG5516]

Oh, sorry. 'Cus this part of your previous post seemed clear you were.



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CNN Article.
Summit Structures of Allentown, Pennsylvania, and Cover-All Building Systems of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which built the dome, referred all questions to a Boston, Massachusetts, public relations firm.

The firm released a statement from Nathan Stobbe, Summit's president, who said he was in Texas working with officials to "assess this severe weather event."

The statement quoted the National Weather Service description of a microburst. It further said the facility was constructed in 2003. A new roof was installed on the building during a 2008 upgrade, the statement said.

"We understand there is a great deal of concern and curiosity about what happened on Saturday, but rather than speculate, we are focused on being part of the effort to find answers and assist the team," Stobbe's statement concluded.

Mariellen Burns of Regan Communications in Boston did not immediately respond to a follow-up e-mail inquiring what wind speeds the building was engineered to sustain.

At least three of Summit's competitors say their buildings can withstand winds of 140 mph or higher.

Donato Fraioli, the CEO of Air Structures American Technologies Inc., said the air-supported structure his company built for the Miami Dolphins can withstand winds up to 140 mph.

However, Fraioli said, several media outlets, including CNN, have been erroneously reporting that the Cowboys' structure was supported by air. The Cowboys' facility was supported by a metal frame, which is why so many people were hurt, he said.

Fraioli, who has 47 years of experience in air- and metal-supported structures, said his company has built air-supported structures in some of the most troublesome climates in the nation, including facilities for the New York Giants, New York Jets, Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks, Chicago Bears, Buffalo Bills and Philadelphia Eagles.

His company also has constructed metal-frame buildings -- generally for industrial applications and to accommodate aircraft -- and he has found that many football teams, both college and pro, are opting for air-supported structures because they are cheaper and safer.

"The worst that could happen if it had a failure of any sort ... the fabric would fall over the interior players," he said, adding that repairing an air-supported structure generally entails patching and re-inflating it, as opposed to reconstructing a metal frame.

Not only are the air-supported buildings safer in the event of a collapse, he said, but they're safer during practice as well.

"There are no steel beams to run into or any aluminum frames to run into," he said.


Metal frames also leave more room for construction and engineering error.

Thanks for the article. I would have guessed a framed building would have been safer, but I guess that's why their the experts. I'm so thankful there was no loss of life.

 

[notherbob]

Oh, sorry. 'Cus this part of your previous post seemed clear you were.



==========
CNN Article.
Summit Structures of Allentown, Pennsylvania, and Cover-All Building Systems of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which built the dome, referred all questions to a Boston, Massachusetts, public relations firm.

The firm released a statement from Nathan Stobbe, Summit's president, who said he was in Texas working with officials to "assess this severe weather event."

The statement quoted the National Weather Service description of a microburst. It further said the facility was constructed in 2003. A new roof was installed on the building during a 2008 upgrade, the statement said.

"We understand there is a great deal of concern and curiosity about what happened on Saturday, but rather than speculate, we are focused on being part of the effort to find answers and assist the team," Stobbe's statement concluded.

Mariellen Burns of Regan Communications in Boston did not immediately respond to a follow-up e-mail inquiring what wind speeds the building was engineered to sustain.

At least three of Summit's competitors say their buildings can withstand winds of 140 mph or higher.

Donato Fraioli, the CEO of Air Structures American Technologies Inc., said the air-supported structure his company built for the Miami Dolphins can withstand winds up to 140 mph.

However, Fraioli said, several media outlets, including CNN, have been erroneously reporting that the Cowboys' structure was supported by air. The Cowboys' facility was supported by a metal frame, which is why so many people were hurt, he said.

Fraioli, who has 47 years of experience in air- and metal-supported structures, said his company has built air-supported structures in some of the most troublesome climates in the nation, including facilities for the New York Giants, New York Jets, Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks, Chicago Bears, Buffalo Bills and Philadelphia Eagles.

His company also has constructed metal-frame buildings -- generally for industrial applications and to accommodate aircraft -- and he has found that many football teams, both college and pro, are opting for air-supported structures because they are cheaper and safer.

"The worst that could happen if it had a failure of any sort ... the fabric would fall over the interior players," he said, adding that repairing an air-supported structure generally entails patching and re-inflating it, as opposed to reconstructing a metal frame.

Not only are the air-supported buildings safer in the event of a collapse, he said, but they're safer during practice as well.

"There are no steel beams to run into or any aluminum frames to run into," he said.


Metal frames also leave more room for construction and engineering error.

If there's no metal supports, how do they run electricity and hang all the lights?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I couldn't agree with you more but that is why I stated "if what that picture shows is what hit the structure". I can't see anything in the photo that proves it was anywhere near Valley Ranch. Maybe I'm missing something but that picture could have been taken in Nebraska 10 years ago for all we know at this point.

But if you look at the other 2 pictures in the link, it certainly appears as if he genuinely took the picture during the storm. The next 2 pictures show the destroyed building. The photographer said he happened to be driving by the facility when it happened and took the pictures in sequence.

 

[trueblue1687]

Wow. Scary looking picture. Very sad that people get hurt from stuff like this. I agree with many on here in that I don't think there is any liability resting on anyone. Just a terrible incident that couldn't be predicted. From what I heard, the wind speeds were at or near tornado levels...hard to fault a temporary structure. I would venture to say it had to be approved by local code before putting it up, much like a house. Hate that happened.