Plaxico gets 2 years

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NEW YORK -- Former New York Giants receiver Plaxico Burress pleaded guilty to a weapons charge and agrees to a two-year prison term.
The deal also calls for two years of post-release supervision.
Sentencing is scheduled for Sept. 22.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

From ESPN.com
 

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I would suspect he'll be out much sooner, won't he? He'll be back if Vick made it back.
 

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Big Dakota;2893167 said:
I would suspect he'll be out much sooner, won't he? He'll be back if Vick made it back.

Vick was 26 when he went to jail.

Plax turned 32 last week.
 

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zrinkill;2893178 said:
Vick was 26 when he went to jail.

Plax turned 32 last week.
I didn't even think about that until i read the thread on the Fan zone. Didn't realize he was that old. Ya, this will hurt his ability to earn any big money from here on out, but i still say he plays again.
 

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The bigger issue is that NY will send you to jail for 2 years for taking advantage of individual right guaranteed by the constitution.

Pathetic.
 

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Vtwin;2893494 said:
The bigger issue is that NY will send you to jail for 2 years for taking advantage of individual right guaranteed by the constitution.

Pathetic.

This is not a constitutional issue.
 

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joseephuss;2893646 said:
This is not a constitutional issue.

The restriction of a right gauranteed us by the second amendment of the constitution is not a constitutional issue?


Pass that thing this way when you're done bogarting it.
 

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Vtwin;2893713 said:
The restriction of a right gauranteed us by the second amendment of the constitution is not a constitutional issue?


Pass that thing this way when you're done bogarting it.

That is not what is happening in this specific case. No one has said that Plaxico does not have the right to carry a hand gun. They just said he needed the proper permits. That is not a restriction of the 2nd amendment.

If he had the correct permit he would not be facing the 2 years of prison time. Pretty straight forward stuff even if the penalty is a bit overboard for such an issue as not having a permit, carrying a gun into a establishment that serves alcohol, discharging the weapon in public and then concealing what happened.
 

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joseephuss;2893761 said:
That is not what is happening in this specific case. No one has said that Plaxico does not have the right to carry a hand gun. They just said he needed the proper permits. That is not a restriction of the 2nd amendment.

If he had the correct permit he would not be facing the 2 years of prison time. Pretty straight forward stuff even if the penalty is a bit overboard for such an issue as not having a permit, carrying a gun into a establishment that serves alcohol, discharging the weapon in public and then concealing what happened.


It's damn near impossible to get a permit in NYC which is how they get around that pesky little constitution thing.

Shouldn't need a permit.

The guy is a moron for putting himself in this position but the right to bear arms is the right to bear arms, permits be damned.
 

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Big Dakota;2893167 said:
I would suspect he'll be out much sooner, won't he? He'll be back if Vick made it back.

Best he can do is 20 months.

Pretty harsh sentence....but once the Mayor made his statement, you knew this was the way it was going to go.
 

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Vtwin;2893494 said:
The bigger issue is that NY will send you to jail for 2 years for taking advantage of individual right guaranteed by the constitution.

Pathetic.

I live in NY. While I do think the sentence was pretty harsh, don't forget, you've got a city of 8 million people. This ain't Kansas. So the laws about carrying guns are VERY strict...there's no way they can be anything but that in a city that is populated like NYC.
 

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It is kinda harsh, didn't Stallworth pull 24 days for killing that guy he ran over while drunk.
 

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Probably to harsh but it's not as bad as it could have been. As it said there was the possibility of 3 1/2 years. He'll probably do 20 of the 24 and get out but by then he'll be all but done in the NFL. He'll be 34, at best, by the time he gets out and then he'll have to hope that the league doesn't suspend him for any extra time after that.

Either way he'll likely get a shot with a team, for a couple years, when he gets out but it won't be for huge money and it won't be as a #1 option.


And I'm not certain but I don't know of anywhere that allows you to carry a gun, even with a licence, into a club or a bar or anywhere that sells or serves alcohol.

I could be totally wrong about that, as I obviously don't know all the laws all around, but I know where I live that even if you have a concealed weapons permit there are still places you can not carry a guy into and one of those restrictions is anywhere that sells beer or any other drink of that nature.

So, for example, in my hometown you can't carry that gun, even with a license, into a Super Walmart because they sell beer.

Maybe it's different in New York though.

Either way that doesn't prevent him from owning one or having one. You just have to be licensed properly and I'm sure there are TONS of people in NY who are legally licensed so I'm sure it's not exactly the most difficult, or impossible, thing in the world to get one.

Sadly for him he figured because he was rich, famous, and an athlete that made him above the law and would allow him to do whatever he wanted and get away with it. Thankfully that isn't the case, though this does seem quite harsh, but I won't be too upset about it. The guy put himself in this position so he has to suck it up and deal with it.
 

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Vtwin;2893930 said:
It's damn near impossible to get a permit in NYC which is how they get around that pesky little constitution thing.

Shouldn't need a permit.

The guy is a moron for putting himself in this position but the right to bear arms is the right to bear arms, permits be damned.

I doubt it is impossible to get a license to carry a hand gun in NYC. Especially for a rich guy like Plaxico. Money talks.

Who needs permits and licenses? Anarchy rules!
 

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joseephuss;2894008 said:
I doubt it is impossible to get a license to carry a hand gun in NYC. Especially for a rich guy like Plaxico. Money talks.

Who needs permits and licenses? Anarchy rules!


You don't see the irony in your statement?

If the very men who drafted the constitution had bothered to apply for the appropriate permits we'd all be cheering the Dalls Cowboys SOCCER team.

Anarchy is the foundation of this country!

Believe it or not there are places that no permits are required to carry open or concealed and restrictions on carrying into any establishment are determined by the establishment. Alcohol or no alcohol. I live in one.

As far as NYC having too many people to allow them the freedom to carry....

BLAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH...... Now THAT is funny.

Every single gang-banging hoodlum criminal scumbag in NYC who wants a gun has a gun. These laws ONLY keep law abiding people from owning guns.

That right there is a fact.
 

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Vtwin;2894041 said:
You don't see the irony in your statement?

If the very men who drafted the constitution had bothered to apply for the appropriate permits we'd all be cheering the Dalls Cowboys SOCCER team.

Anarchy is the foundation of this country!

Anarchy is not the foundation of the U.S.A.

The founding fathers respected reasonable authority, rules and regulations. They did not feel that Britain was being reasonable with the colonies and changes were needed. They did not believe that there should be no authority or no laws. They just believed that the authority should be fair.

Believe it or not there are places that no permits are required to carry open or concealed and restrictions on carrying into any establishment are determined by the establishment. Alcohol or no alcohol. I live in one.

I don't have to believe that. I know it for a fact. NYC is not one of those places. You need permits. If you don't like it, don't live there.

As far as NYC having too many people to allow them the freedom to carry....

BLAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH...... Now THAT is funny.

Every single gang-banging hoodlum criminal scumbag in NYC who wants a gun has a gun. These laws ONLY keep law abiding people from owning guns.

That right there is a fact

That is not a fact. There are no current gun laws that keep law abiding people from owning guns. If you are a law abiding citizen you can legally own guns. You may have to go through some hoops to get one, but you can legally do so.
 

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A couple of you might be surprised by my take on this, but...........

First of all, Burris is an idiot. I don't see much debate coming about that remark. Here's a guy who went from catching the SB winning TD pass a year and a half ago, to a two year prison stint in short order.

Secondly, any place you're headed to in the wee hours of a weekend night, and feel compelled to carry a hand gun......................there's a pretty good chance that you shouldn't be going there in the first place. I mean, can you imagine..........."Hey dude, I'm coming to pick you up. We're going to the Corner Pocket Nightclub". And the first thing you think of is packing loaded heat?? Why you goin' there to begin with?

Third, I agree that the second amendment, while a right and not a priveledge, probably is better served by making sure that nut's don't carry guns around indescriminatley. Usually, the need to have a license (drivers, contractor, real estate person, etc.............) means that's it's an earned priveledge to have it, and it is based upon circumstances, and CAN BE REVOKED. If you misuse the priveledge of driving, your drivers "license" can be revokek. If you abuse your behavior as a contractor, they'll revoke you contractors license.

It's not a Constitutional "RIGHT" to be able to drive or sell real estate or be a construction contractor. Therefore, your ability to do such things are contingient upon your behavior, ethics, etc.....................you can lose it.

Right to bear arms? Yeah, certainly. A Constitutional 2nd Amendment Right. And, I don't agree with any ACLU parcing of the words about "a well regulated malitia" or any of that crap. We have the RIGHT to bear arms. PERIOD.

However, the velocity and magnitude of the damage that a firearm can do in short order..............I don't mind a little "regulation" for lack of a better word. As long as the regulation/licensing program has a default position of "of course we're going to issue you a permit, just answer a few simple questions".

The problems I'm seeing is that, the default postion is more like "we're not gonna let you have a gun, over our dead body, until you jump through a thousand rediculous hoops and walk through fire". "Then, with a little luck, we MIGHT let you have a gun". THAT, I don't agree with.

The 2nd Amendment should take precedant, and the foregone conclusion is that you're gonna get to have that gun barring something about you that is undeniably crazy or dangerous. In other word, EVERY EFFORT should be made to get you that gun, instead of EVERY EFFORT put forth to deny you that gun.

As long as THAT is your State's default postion, then I have no problem with a little monitoring and regulation. Here in Hawaii, only ONE (as in UNO, ONLY, SINGLE) person has a permit to carry a firearem outside of law enforcement. ONE PERSON. And THAT person is of dubios character along the lines of criminal/union/mafioso activity. I myself, I have four weapons. A .357, an R15 Rifle, a Shotgun and a .22. And Hawaii is in the second teir of what I described above. I had to take tests, had a long waiting period, take class's, etc...............before I was allowed to bring my weapons home.
 

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joseephuss;2894084 said:
I don't have to believe that. I know it for a fact. NYC is not one of those places. You need permits. If you don't like it, don't live there.



That is not a fact. There are no current gun laws that keep law abiding people from owning guns. If you are a law abiding citizen you can legally own guns. You may have to go through some hoops to get one, but you can legally do so.


Seriously friend... The leaders or the American revolution were anarchists plain and simple. They didn't like the way they were being treated so they began to protest which developed into the taking up of arms and full scale revolution. Then they drafted the constitution for the simple reason of trying to make sure that the average citizen would have these simple rights guaranteed so that future revolutions by the next generation of anarchists could be avoided. This country was built on the backs of some hardcore anarchists who wouldn't sit quietly and "jump through the hoops" to get what they felt they were entitled to.

Try and get a permit in NYC or Chicago or even Rhode Island or Massachusetts and get back to me on how many "hoops" you had to jump through.

The "fact" I was referring to is that evey single scumbag criminal in NYC or anywhere else who wants a gun has a gun regardless of the laws designed to make sure that doesn't happen. That is the FACT I was referring to.

As a rule, gun control laws do nothing but make it difficult and sometimes impossible for law abiding citizens to obtain weapons while doing absolutely nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals.

That is a fact!
 

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Vtwin;2893494 said:
The bigger issue is that NY will send you to jail for 2 years for taking advantage of individual right guaranteed by the constitution.

Pathetic.


It's a damn joke that he's spending two years in jail. 20 days in jail at most.
 
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