play-by-play... more evidence against Garrett...

[kramskoi]

...caught this on bloggin the boys...thanks to DavidH22 for his data-mining...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/18/1164071/garrett-does-have-a-running-problem

Garrett DOES Have a Running Problem

by DavidH22 on Nov 18, 2009 10:02 PM CST

61 comments
Specifically, he never gives the running game a chance! Let me explain...

I went through the play-by-play of every Dallas game so far this season. And aside from seeing penalty after penalty called on the offense during the most inopportune moments, I also noticed that Garrett hardly ever calls two running plays in a row. Particularly on 1st and 2nd downs. I think that it could be worth it to run twice in a row on those downs. Even if you only gain a total of 4-5 yards total on thos two plays, that is still a manageable 3rd down. And chances are that Barber, Jones or Jones or a combination thereof would game 6-8 yards on two straight carries, further opening up possibilities on 3rd down. But after reviewing every offensive play, I could only find six plays when the Cowboys followed up a 1st down run of 5 yards of less (making it 2nd and 5 or greater) with another run, not counting plays inside the opponents 5-yard line or in run-out-the-clock circumstances. SIX TIMES!!! And two of those six plays were direct snaps to Choice! All the other playcalls were, of course, Romo pass attempts. Now, I'm not certain what the success rate was on those pass plays, but I'd guess they weren't wildly successful. All I know is that many times on these 2nd and 5 or greater, Romo would either throw incomplete, get sacked or there would be a penalty, putting the offense in a very difficult 3rd down situation. I suppose it is possible that Garrett has called consecutive runs but Romo audibled out, but we may never know exactly. All I'm saying is, our line seems to be big and strong and capable of just driving forward. Why not hand the ball off several straight times when the game is still close and see what happens?...

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...that's some interesting analysis to consider, given current events...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that was the story last year

and I thought he was doing a better job of not doing that this year, until the Packer game

 

[Hoofbite]

Was any more evidence needed?

Just overkill at this point.

 

[T-RO]

...I also noticed that Garrett hardly ever calls two running plays in a row. Particularly on 1st and 2nd downs.

That's evidence alright. In FAVOR of Garret. Like the Steelers and Cards in the Super Bowl who passed 3/4 of the time....and the Colts and Patriots who pass 60% of the time. Today's game is Pass-Run-Pass. Glad we don't have a neanderthal running our offense.

Even if you only gain a total of 4-5 yards total on thos two plays, that is still a manageable 3rd down.

Absurdly sillly!!!! We average 75% more yardage when we pass the ball per play. 3/4 of our runs this past Sunday were for 2 yards are less. Of course why let the irrefutable FACTS stand in the way of an argument.

Why not hand the ball off several straight times when the game is still close and see what happens?...

This statement officially puts somebody in the "I'm forever helpless stupid camp" with a warning sign on the outside saying, "It's so stupid in here you could catch the stupid virus. Stay out." Go back forty years in time and become a Woody Hayes fan please. Your sensibilities don't belong in the modern era of the NFL.

 

[dcfanatic]

...caught this on bloggin the boys...thanks to DavidH22 for his data-mining...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/18/1164071/garrett-does-have-a-running-problem

Garrett DOES Have a Running Problem

by DavidH22 on Nov 18, 2009 10:02 PM CST

61 comments
Specifically, he never gives the running game a chance! Let me explain...

I went through the play-by-play of every Dallas game so far this season. And aside from seeing penalty after penalty called on the offense during the most inopportune moments, I also noticed that Garrett hardly ever calls two running plays in a row. Particularly on 1st and 2nd downs. I think that it could be worth it to run twice in a row on those downs. Even if you only gain a total of 4-5 yards total on thos two plays, that is still a manageable 3rd down. And chances are that Barber, Jones or Jones or a combination thereof would game 6-8 yards on two straight carries, further opening up possibilities on 3rd down. But after reviewing every offensive play, I could only find six plays when the Cowboys followed up a 1st down run of 5 yards of less (making it 2nd and 5 or greater) with another run, not counting plays inside the opponents 5-yard line or in run-out-the-clock circumstances. SIX TIMES!!! And two of those six plays were direct snaps to Choice! All the other playcalls were, of course, Romo pass attempts. Now, I'm not certain what the success rate was on those pass plays, but I'd guess they weren't wildly successful. All I know is that many times on these 2nd and 5 or greater, Romo would either throw incomplete, get sacked or there would be a penalty, putting the offense in a very difficult 3rd down situation. I suppose it is possible that Garrett has called consecutive runs but Romo audibled out, but we may never know exactly. All I'm saying is, our line seems to be big and strong and capable of just driving forward. Why not hand the ball off several straight times when the game is still close and see what happens?...

---------------------------------------------------

...that's some interesting analysis to consider, given current events...

I said this all week.

The Cowboys never ran the ball on two consecutive plays after Tashard Choice failed to pick up the first down on 3rd and 4 with about 8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter.

 

[CF74]

That's evidence alright. In FAVOR of Garret. Like the Steelers and Cards in the Super Bowl who passed 3/4 of the time....and the Colts and Patriots who pass 60% of the time. Today's game is Pass-Run-Pass. Glad we don't have a neanderthal running our offense.




Absurdly sillly!!!! We average 75% more yardage when we pass the ball per play. 3/4 of our runs this past Sunday were for 2 yards are less. Of course why let the irrefutable FACTS stand in the way of an argument.




This statement officially puts somebody in the "I'm forever helpless stupid camp" with a warning sign on the outside saying, "It's so stupid in here you could catch the stupid virus. Stay out." Go back forty years in time and become a Woody Hayes fan please. Your sensibilities don't belong in the modern era of the NFL.

Well then let's trade 2 of our 3 running backs then for wr's cause we don't need em...:rake: :zipit:

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Absurdly sillly!!!! We average 75% more yardage when we pass the ball per play. 3/4 of our runs this past Sunday were for 2 yards are less. Of course why let the irrefutable FACTS stand in the way of an argument.

Not quite so irrefutable... Look at the play by play from the Packers game, and tell me what the NET yardage is on our first 17 pass attempts while the game was in doubt... I am pretty sure you'll find it to be somewhere in the 30yd range... but do us both a favor and go check it out...

 

[kramskoi]

That's evidence alright. In FAVOR of Garret. Like the Steelers and Cards in the Super Bowl who passed 3/4 of the time....and the Colts and Patriots who pass 60% of the time. Today's game is Pass-Run-Pass. Glad we don't have a neanderthal running our offense.




Absurdly sillly!!!! We average 75% more yardage when we pass the ball per play. 3/4 of our runs this past Sunday were for 2 yards are less. Of course why let the irrefutable FACTS stand in the way of an argument.




This statement officially puts somebody in the "I'm forever helpless stupid camp" with a warning sign on the outside saying, "It's so stupid in here you could catch the stupid virus. Stay out." Go back forty years in time and become a Woody Hayes fan please. Your sensibilities don't belong in the modern era of the NFL.

...that's all well and good my friend but you're going to have to explain to me how the Cowboys are similar to New England and Indianapolis or New Orleans for that matter...please don't say quarterback, line play or receivers...i see a coordinator putting the onus on a line that does'nt pick up the blitz and a receiving corp with only one legitimate receiving option [now double-covered] either by scheme or by inability to get separation...Williams and Crayton are barely on the map production wise and Witten is well behind his production from the past two seasons...but go ahead and put a sloppy, heavily penalized team who [still] can't pickup the blitz or get separation into shotgun formation while Romo gets mauled trying to convert third and longs like last years Giants game or this years Denver or Packers game, just to name a few...that's a feast or famine type of deal...it's inconsistent and as such will bring inconsistent results...

last year's Superbowl?...Pittsburgh was 21-30 passing and 26-58 rushing...a ratio of 30-26 ain't 75%, not even close...it was Arizona that went 75% and they lost [43 pass attempts versus 11 rushes for 33 yds] and they had the better run average [3.0 - 2.2ypc]...Pittsburgh had a gameplan and did'nt let a rather paltry run average force them out of it...it's called imposing your will on an opponent/situation, curiously, the same thing Tomlin was telling his defense on the sideline last year when they played Dallas...

..."impose your will on 'em"...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Was any more evidence needed?

Just overkill at this point.

And yet, some people around here still blindly defend the guy as if we have players who are simply incapable of executing his flawless gameplan

 

[Hoofbite]

Slapped this together real quick. Mostly out of personal curiosity. Rushed through it so there might be a few typos but found all the info from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/.

http://i5.***BLOCKED***/albums/y188/thehoofbite/Picture1.jpg

Oh yeah, red highlighting indicates a pass % greater than 55%.

Edit: Percentages based on season totals. Just thought I would throw that out there.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Slapped this together real quick. Mostly out of personal curiosity. Rushed through it so there might be a few typos but found all the info from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/.

http://i5.***BLOCKED***/albums/y188/thehoofbite/Picture1.jpg

Oh yeah, red highlighting indicates a pass % greater than 55%.

Edit: Percentages based on season totals. Just thought I would throw that out there.

Good work.

This list shows the importance of balance.

 

[Idgit]

And yet, some people around here still blindly defend the guy as if we have players who are simply incapable of executing his flawless gameplan

Exactly. That's what they're saying.

 

[Dodger]

...that's all well and good my friend but you're going to have to explain to me how the Cowboys are similar to New England and Indianapolis or New Orleans for that matter...please don't say quarterback, line play or receivers...i see a coordinator putting the onus on a line that does'nt pick up the blitz and a receiving corp with only one legitimate receiving option [now double-covered] either by scheme or by inability to get separation...Williams and Crayton are barely on the map production wise and Witten is well behind his production from the past two seasons...but go ahead and put a sloppy, heavily penalized team who [still] can't pickup the blitz or get separation into shotgun formation while Romo gets mauled trying to convert third and longs like last years Giants game or this years Denver or Packers game, just to name a few...that's a feast or famine type of deal...it's inconsistent and as such will bring inconsistent results...

last year's Superbowl?...Pittsburgh was 21-30 passing and 26-58 rushing...a ratio of 30-26 ain't 75%, not even close...it was Arizona that went 75% and they lost [43 pass attempts versus 11 rushes for 33 yds] and they had the better run average [3.0 - 2.2ypc]...Pittsburgh had a gameplan and did'nt let a rather paltry run average force them out of it...it's called imposing your will on an opponent/situation, curiously, the same thing Tomlin was telling his defense on the sideline last year when they played Dallas...

..."impose your will on 'em"...

Well done. Might as well close the thead.

 

[802dave]

As big as this OL is and with Double Dynamite and Witten and as good as our RB's are - why they aren't playing more power football to set-up the pass is beyond me!

Instead, they continually run cutesy traps, draws, and shotgun runs as if the defense is afraid of our WR's...

I know I'm beating a dead horse...

 

[cowboyjoe]

i thought i would add this in, do you know who breaks down film of opposing defenses and gets the plays out of the playbook together,

guess who?

wes phillips, wade's son

that came from the dallas cowboys 2009 media guide that i have

i thought it would be someone like wade and jason garrett breaking down opposing teams offense and defense

again i dont know who breaks down opposing teams offense, havent found in the media guide who does that yet

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

...caught this on bloggin the boys...thanks to DavidH22 for his data-mining...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/18/1164071/garrett-does-have-a-running-problem

Garrett DOES Have a Running Problem

by DavidH22 on Nov 18, 2009 10:02 PM CST

61 comments
Specifically, he never gives the running game a chance! Let me explain...

I went through the play-by-play of every Dallas game so far this season. And aside from seeing penalty after penalty called on the offense during the most inopportune moments, I also noticed that Garrett hardly ever calls two running plays in a row. Particularly on 1st and 2nd downs. I think that it could be worth it to run twice in a row on those downs. Even if you only gain a total of 4-5 yards total on thos two plays, that is still a manageable 3rd down. And chances are that Barber, Jones or Jones or a combination thereof would game 6-8 yards on two straight carries, further opening up possibilities on 3rd down. But after reviewing every offensive play, I could only find six plays when the Cowboys followed up a 1st down run of 5 yards of less (making it 2nd and 5 or greater) with another run, not counting plays inside the opponents 5-yard line or in run-out-the-clock circumstances. SIX TIMES!!! And two of those six plays were direct snaps to Choice! All the other playcalls were, of course, Romo pass attempts. Now, I'm not certain what the success rate was on those pass plays, but I'd guess they weren't wildly successful. All I know is that many times on these 2nd and 5 or greater, Romo would either throw incomplete, get sacked or there would be a penalty, putting the offense in a very difficult 3rd down situation. I suppose it is possible that Garrett has called consecutive runs but Romo audibled out, but we may never know exactly. All I'm saying is, our line seems to be big and strong and capable of just driving forward. Why not hand the ball off several straight times when the game is still close and see what happens?...

---------------------------------------------------

...that's some interesting analysis to consider, given current events...

thank you. I agree. I have said this before. I rather have a 3rd and 5 than a 3rd and 8. you can get 5 yards with a 3 step drop and throw. higher probablity. move the chains. keep the opposing offense off the field. that's how steelers did it last year. but garrett likes to pass. he likes to pass to set up the run. he also is not very patient. so he gets trapped every few games.

 

[EPL0c0]

i thought i would add this in, do you know who breaks down film of opposing defenses and gets the plays out of the playbook together,

guess who?

wes phillips, wade's son

that came from the dallas cowboys 2009 media guide that i have

i thought it would be someone like wade and jason garrett breaking down opposing teams offense and defense

again i dont know who breaks down opposing teams offense, havent found in the media guide who does that yet

Did not know that... Wes was a QB in college. Hmm... too many QBs spoil the broth! haha

Anyway, I think Garrett just doesn't know how to handle the RBs. Whether not getting them enough carries or not using them enough in the passing game, they are under-used. Garrett's game seems to be built around moving the ball in large chunks through the air. When that doesn't happen, there seems to be no real Plan-B.

We've yet to really see Felix or Choice used a whole lot in the passing game, where they could possibly as effective (possibly more) than in the run game because once they can pick up some speed and get a blocker, they have the ability to be elusive enough to pick up big yards.

Combined, the RBs have 31rec for 276yds (8.9yds/rec). That's the same as Witten is avg'ing this season. The difference is that they're not gonna get covered the way Witten's covered. Again, I think they're under-used in this part of the game because Garrett's scheme seems to be focused on the big downfield play.

I dunno, its just what I think...i'm probably wrong

 

[Hoofbite]

Did not know that... Wes was a QB in college. Hmm... too many QBs spoil the broth! haha

Anyway, I think Garrett just doesn't know how to handle the RBs. Whether not getting them enough carries or not using them enough in the passing game, they are under-used. Garrett's game seems to be built around moving the ball in large chunks through the air. When that doesn't happen, there seems to be no real Plan-B.

We've yet to really see Felix or Choice used a whole lot in the passing game, where they could possibly as effective (possibly more) than in the run game because once they can pick up some speed and get a blocker, they have the ability to be elusive enough to pick up big yards.

Combined, the RBs have 31rec for 276yds (8.9yds/rec). That's the same as Witten is avg'ing this season. The difference is that they're not gonna get covered the way Witten's covered. Again, I think they're under-used in this part of the game because Garrett's scheme seems to be focused on the big downfield play.

I dunno, its just what I think...i'm probably wrong

I think there should be at least 2-3 pass plays designed for Felix per week. Screen, split out wide, whatever. Just get the ball into his hands.

 

[Stautner]

I think there should be at least 2-3 pass plays designed for Felix per week. Screen, split out wide, whatever. Just get the ball into his hands.

At least put him out there some and make defenses worry about him more. If he's split out wide they have to be thinking a pass or a reverse is going to him and that takes focus off other plays we might run. He's gotta get more touches though.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

That's evidence alright. In FAVOR of Garret. Like the Steelers and Cards in the Super Bowl who passed 3/4 of the time....and the Colts and Patriots who pass 60% of the time. Today's game is Pass-Run-Pass. Glad we don't have a neanderthal running our offense.




Absurdly sillly!!!! We average 75% more yardage when we pass the ball per play. 3/4 of our runs this past Sunday were for 2 yards are less. Of course why let the irrefutable FACTS stand in the way of an argument.




This statement officially puts somebody in the "I'm forever helpless stupid camp" with a warning sign on the outside saying, "It's so stupid in here you could catch the stupid virus. Stay out." Go back forty years in time and become a Woody Hayes fan please. Your sensibilities don't belong in the modern era of the NFL.

Lol, these are absurd.

Yeah, passing is more common than it used to be, but passing it more means risking a turnover.

As far as teams that pass the ball.
The cards did not have a running game prior to this season, so they HAD to pass the ball effectively. Same thing with the Colts (Addai hasn't been as good as he once was). The Steelers played what the defense gave them (the cards tried to stop the run, so they passed the ball-which makes sense, but that's an adjustment in one game). And the Pats, they don't have a runningback. Maroney is supposed to be the man, but he hasn't done much since his rookie season. Fred Taylor could be the man, but he's injured. Most of these teams pass the ball because they have to, we have 3 starting qulity backs (USE THEM!).

Just look at the Saints, they're running the ball a lot more now, because they can.

You NEVER abandon the running game(especially in a first and goal at the 1,2, or 3-Man, that was a stupid play), no offense wants to be one dimensional (and you risk the pick).

Of course we average more yards per pass than per rush. Who doesn't...
The average pass is between 6-15 yards, average run is 2 to 7 yards. This is just common sense, saying this doesn't support anyone's point.

I know you're trying to be analytical, but belittling his comments is just plain dumb. In your entire post you barely said anything worthwhile.