Players off our board and in the Box.

[BrAinPaiNt]

We keep seeing people put some players in their mock drafts and argue all day that the cowboys could and should take them even though everyone and their moms know that the Cowboys have taken the player off their board and into a box that says they are not a consideration to draft.

This year there are two I am 99.9999% sure are off their board and in the box.

Rambo and Honey Badger.

I have also heard that Ogletree is off the board but I don't know about that.

I do find it interesting that they brought in K.Long though. I say it because some people said he had one incident as a young kid and could be forgiven but it was not just his DWI/DUI. He even admits to being out of control and would spend time in rehab IIRC.

Are there are players out there that anyone has heard that they are not interested in due to on and off the field issues?

 

[MonsterD]

We keep seeing people put some players in their mock drafts and argue all day that the cowboys could and should take them even though everyone and their moms know that the Cowboys have taken the player off their board and into a box that says they are not a consideration to draft.

This year there are two I am 99.9999% sure are off their board and in the box.

Rambo and Honey Badger.

I have also heard that Ogletree is off the board but I don't know about that.

I do find it interesting that they brought in K.Long though. I say it because some people said he had one incident as a young kid and could be forgiven but it was not just his DWI/DUI. He even admits to being out of control and would spend time in rehab IIRC.

Are there are players out there that anyone has heard that they are not interested in due to on and off the field issues?

If Keenan Allen did actually fail a drug test at the combine, he would be one I bet. Still nothing official yet.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

We keep seeing people put some players in their mock drafts and argue all day that the cowboys could and should take them even though everyone and their moms know that the Cowboys have taken the player off their board and into a box that says they are not a consideration to draft.

This year there are two I am 99.9999% sure are off their board and in the box.

Rambo and Honey Badger.

I have also heard that Ogletree is off the board but I don't know about that.

I do find it interesting that they brought in K.Long though. I say it because some people said he had one incident as a young kid and could be forgiven but it was not just his DWI/DUI. He even admits to being out of control and would spend time in rehab IIRC.

Are there are players out there that anyone has heard that they are not interested in due to on and off the field issues?

I've heard Ogletree was off the board as well, but I don't have a link.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I've heard Ogletree was off the board as well, but I don't have a link.

I think maybe it was Broaddus or maybe Eatman who said it. Pretty sure it was from one of the dallascowboys.com web shows where someone blurted it out.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If Keenan Allen did actually fail a drug test at the combine, he would be one I bet. Still nothing official yet.

Yes...I think that turned out to be a false rumor as no follow up to it.

 

[Future]

If a guy like OTree is off the radar, then a guy like Lalich should be as well.

I hate the idea of just writing off a guy b/c of character concerns. I understand that you don't necessarily want to draft knuckleheads, but completely taking them off your board seems like a mistake, imo.

 

[XxTDxX]

If a guy like OTree is off the radar, then a guy like Lalich should be as well.

I hate the idea of just writing off a guy b/c of character concerns. I understand that you don't necessarily want to draft knuckleheads, but completely taking them off your board seems like a mistake, imo.

I agree. Do some extra evaluation on the guys and if 1 out of every 10 turns out to be a great player and great teamate it is worth it.. Completely writing a guy off is pretty foolish

 

[blackbull]

If a guy like OTree is off the radar, then a guy like Lalich should be as well.

I hate the idea of just writing off a guy b/c of character concerns. I understand that you don't necessarily want to draft knuckleheads, but completely taking them off your board seems like a mistake, imo.

Garrett strikes again

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Garrett strikes again

Please. Garrett is not the only coach and the Cowboys are not the only team to do this type of thing.

I know it is too easy to act like it is only the cowboys and garrett who do this type of thing but is simply not true.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I've heard Ogletree was off the board as well, but I don't have a link.

I think maybe it was Broaddus or maybe Eatman who said it. Pretty sure it was from one of the dallascowboys.com web shows where someone blurted it out.

Mike Fisher mentioned it on twitter

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=254831

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Mike Fisher mentioned it on twitter

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=254831

Thanks.

 

[xwalker]

We keep seeing people put some players in their mock drafts and argue all day that the cowboys could and should take them even though everyone and their moms know that the Cowboys have taken the player off their board and into a box that says they are not a consideration to draft.

This year there are two I am 99.9999% sure are off their board and in the box.

Rambo and Honey Badger.

I have also heard that Ogletree is off the board but I don't know about that.

I do find it interesting that they brought in K.Long though. I say it because some people said he had one incident as a young kid and could be forgiven but it was not just his DWI/DUI. He even admits to being out of control and would spend time in rehab IIRC.

Are there are players out there that anyone has heard that they are not interested in due to on and off the field issues?

I think that one of the biggest reasons for bringing players in for a visit is to further evaluate the mental-makeup of the players.

It is easy to put a player like Honey Badger "in the box" due to multiple failed drug tests; however, evaluating the mental-makeup of players like Kyle Long and Sheldon Richardson is more difficult.

I would bring a guy like Richardson in for a visit even I my initial thought was that he would be "in the box". I wouldn't want to take him off my draft board without an extensive review of his mental-makeup.

The Cowboys have had many failed draft picks due to players having a poor mental-makeup.

The 1st two pick in the 2009 draft failed primarily due to their mental-makeup and not because of a complete lack of talent. Jason Williams was a super-athlete but couldn't grasp the defense. Robert Brewster had talent but didn't really like football and couldn't stay motivated to work out and stay in shape.

Quincy Carter actually had "some" talent but was cut due to a failed drug test.

Josh Brent was proving to be a steal as a 7th round pick but is now gone due to being stupid.

The safety from Tennessee went to prison for killing people in a hit-and-run.

Barbie Carpenter and Jacob Rodgers failed because they didn't like physicality of the game.

They had a talented OLineman back in the nineties that quit football because he didn't like getting yelled at by coaches.

 

[Hailmary]

Anyone know if Da'Rick Rogers is off the board? I'm going to guess yes, but would like to know for sure.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The player that is most interesting to me, with regards to this kind of evaluation is Kelce out of Cincy. I think that without question, he is one of the most talented TE in this draft. He's a complete TE that can both block and catch. He compares very favorably to Eifert and Ertz, both possible 1st round picks. The reason Kelce isn't ranked with them is because of his mental makeup. This guy is a huge bust or boom guy. All the talent is there but do you take the chance on him? He could be out of the league in a couple of years or he could be an All Pro TE.


He's the biggest question mark in the draft for me.

 

[xwalker]

The player that is most interesting to me, with regards to this kind of evaluation is Kelce out of Cincy. I think that without question, he is one of the most talented TE in this draft. He's a complete TE that can both block and catch. He compares very favorably to Eifert and Ertz, both possible 1st round picks. The reason Kelce isn't ranked with them is because of his mental makeup. This guy is a huge bust or boom guy. All the talent is there but do you take the chance on him? He could be out of the league in a couple of years or he could be an All Pro TE.


He's the biggest question mark in the draft for me.

He sounds like MartyB.

I think it is OK to draft some guys with questionable mental-makeup as long as you don't do it in the top 3 or 4 rounds. When I say some guys, it depends on the specific mental-makeup issues.

Unfortunately, the Cowboys used a 2nd on MartyB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He sounds like MartyB.

I think it is OK to draft some guys with questionable mental-makeup as long as you don't do it in the top 3 or 4 rounds. When I say some guys, it depends on the specific mental-makeup issues.

Unfortunately, the Cowboys used a 2nd on MartyB.

I don't think he's Marty B. I think MartyB's issues were more of a maturity issue. Kelce, I'm not sure that this is the case. His may actually be more closely linked to actual mental stability issues.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Mike Fisher mentioned it on twitter

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=254831

Thanks WG. For what it's worth, I don't believe Fisher was the source that I got that from, but, since I can't remember who I heard it from it at least confirms what I had actually heard from whoever else it was.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think he's Marty B. I think MartyB's issues were more of a maturity issue. Kelce, I'm not sure that this is the case. His may actually be more closely linked to actual mental stability issues.

Marty B turned out to be an ok player, too, despite being a 2nd round pick.

It's important to do diligence in evaluating guys before removing them from your board. Once you're sure they're knuckleheads, it's idiotic to take one and hope for the best. There are only 7 picks, and enough good players to choose from. Only take guys you know can play and you know aren't either stupid or knuckleheads. Let someone else roll the dice on the tough calls. The draft's too important and the risk isn't worth it.

 

[BAT]

That's a lot of good talent that the Cowboys are bypassing simply because they have no ability or patience to work with people. It is a lazy way to assess talent and fit.

And they are leaving a lot of "money" on the table as well. There is a lot of value into taking a supremely talented player with character concerns because his value (subjective) is low while his production (objective) is as high or higher than his peers.

Some other blue chippers who's stock fell due to character concerns:

Dan Marino
Warren Sapp
Randy Moss
Dez Bryant
Bruce Irvin

Here is an interesting read on the subject:

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/20/column_undecided_who_to_draft_scan_his_rap_sheet/singleton/

 

[xwalker]

A young Head Coach like Garrett that was not even a Head Coach in college just can't afford to draft players with character issues. A coach like Belichick or Jimmy Johnson have/had both the personality and the credentials to deal with these types of players.

It also don't help that the Cowboys are the most scrutinized team in the NFL. Any issue around this team gets amplified and easily becomes a national story and media frenzy.

I admit that there is a good list of successful NFL players that "fell" in the draft due to character issues; however, there are plenty of talented players in every draft that don't have character issues.