Please give the Bledsoe debate a rest!

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Look, I keep reading about Bledsoe being a journeyman, too old, a retread, overrated, etc etc. The pessimists on this board are all overlooking some key facts and figures....

First of it's ludicrous to say he's the same QB as Vinny Testeverde.Hes a true 'journeyman', but he did have his best season with the Jets 6 years ago (under parcells)....when he was 36 years old. That team was a play away from the superbowl against denver. In fact Brad Johnson won a superbowl a few years ago when he was the about the same age. Rich Gannon was also a 'journeyman' when he led the Raiders to some playoff seasons and a superbowl in his advanced years as well. Actually going back to Denver, Elway didn't win until he was 37 either.

Drew Bledsoe is barely 33......the last time I checked that was still pretty young by NFL QB standards, especially given his durability. Sure he's not going to be here for 10 years. This team is built to win NOW, that is why he's here, along with several other key veterans: Terry Glenn, Aaron Glenn, Ferguson, Keyshawn, Rivera, etc. Also keep in mind had Mo Lewis not injured Bledsoe on a freak play 4 years ago, Bledsoe would have done the same thing NE has and we wouldn't even know who Tom Brady is. And that is a fact.

I'm not expecting this guy to pass for 4500 yards and 35 touchdowns. What I'm expecting is a solid season in a Parcells style offense. Which means a rock solid running game(which we will have with Atrain and JJ), utilizing the tight end efficiently (which we will), and find receivers deep when the situation calls for it.

Also a lot of people keep looking back to the last few years with Buffalo. First off their line is horrible, even Bills fans know that. He set franchise records there in 02', which is crazy when you think about how good the Bills of the early 90's offense was with jim kelly (even though we owned them twice). But after 02' he was stripped of his weapons, and Moulds (who is overrated to begin with) began his decline and was riddled with injuries. But the bottom line is Bledsoe was released by Buffalo because they couldn't afford to keep him, he didn't fit into the teams new offensive scheme, and their GM is merely trying to preserve his lackluster career that is why took gambles with JP Losman and a few other questionable picks in the draft.

We WILL be a playoff team this year, Im not ready to say will knock the eagles off just yet, but a wildcard is definitely in the forseeable future at the least. I'm also going to make a bold statement and say that Witten is going to shatter all single season Tight End records this season with Drew finding him early and often. I can also see Quincy Morgan regaining his form from a few seasons ago in Cleveland, and Patrick Crayton emerging as well. The key though is Terry Glenn and Keyshawn. They have to stay healthy and give this team 1500-2000 yards between them. And if JJ is the real deal this offense might be explosive to say the least.

If Bledsoe puts up these type of numbers we will be at least a 10 win team:
3000-3500 passing yards
20-27 TD's
15-20 INT's
30-35 sacks

Sure the potential for disaster is there, but I doubt it will happen. We are 2 years removed from the playoffs and having a top defense. We have most of the same players here, plus a plethera of better players added to the roster. I expect the defense to come together by midseason and finish in the the top 10-15. But the key will be opportunistic play and creating turnovers.

Stange things happen every year in this league, and it's not unrealistic to say if all the pieces come together for this football we will be playing well into late jan/early feb this season!
 

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Nice case - but this is a discussion board. Thats what we do - debate and discuss.

You can't silence that.
 

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BledsoetoWittenfortheTD said:
Look, I keep reading about Bledsoe being a journeyman, too old, a retread, overrated, etc etc. The pessimists on this board are all overlooking some key facts and figures....

First of it's ludicrous to say he's the same QB as Vinny Testeverde.Hes a true 'journeyman', but he did have his best season with the Jets 6 years ago (under parcells)....when he was 36 years old. That team was a play away from the superbowl against denver. In fact Brad Johnson won a superbowl a few years ago when he was the about the same age. Rich Gannon was also a 'journeyman' when he led the Raiders to some playoff seasons and a superbowl in his advanced years as well. Actually going back to Denver, Elway didn't win until he was 37 either.

Drew Bledsoe is barely 33......the last time I checked that was still pretty young by NFL QB standards, especially given his durability. Sure he's not going to be here for 10 years. This team is built to win NOW, that is why he's here, along with several other key veterans: Terry Glenn, Aaron Glenn, Ferguson, Keyshawn, Rivera, etc. Also keep in mind had Mo Lewis not injured Bledsoe on a freak play 4 years ago, Bledsoe would have done the same thing NE has and we wouldn't even know who Tom Brady is. And that is a fact.

I'm not expecting this guy to pass for 4500 yards and 35 touchdowns. What I'm expecting is a solid season in a Parcells style offense. Which means a rock solid running game(which we will have with Atrain and JJ), utilizing the tight end efficiently (which we will), and find receivers deep when the situation calls for it.

Also a lot of people keep looking back to the last few years with Buffalo. First off their line is horrible, even Bills fans know that. He set franchise records there in 02', which is crazy when you think about how good the Bills of the early 90's offense was with jim kelly (even though we owned them twice). But after 02' he was stripped of his weapons, and Moulds (who is overrated to begin with) began his decline and was riddled with injuries. But the bottom line is Bledsoe was released by Buffalo because they couldn't afford to keep him, he didn't fit into the teams new offensive scheme, and their GM is merely trying to preserve his lackluster career that is why took gambles with JP Losman and a few other questionable picks in the draft.

We WILL be a playoff team this year, Im not ready to say will knock the eagles off just yet, but a wildcard is definitely in the forseeable future at the least. I'm also going to make a bold statement and say that Witten is going to shatter all single season Tight End records this season with Drew finding him early and often. I can also see Quincy Morgan regaining his form from a few seasons ago in Cleveland, and Patrick Crayton emerging as well. The key though is Terry Glenn and Keyshawn. They have to stay healthy and give this team 1500-2000 yards between them. And if JJ is the real deal this offense might be explosive to say the least.

If Bledsoe puts up these type of numbers we will be at least a 10 win team:
3000-3500 passing yards
20-27 TD's
15-20 INT's
30-35 sacks

Sure the potential for disaster is there, but I doubt it will happen. We are 2 years removed from the playoffs and having a top defense. We have most of the same players here, plus a plethera of better players added to the roster. I expect the defense to come together by midseason and finish in the the top 10-15. But the key will be opportunistic play and creating turnovers.

Stange things happen every year in this league, and it's not unrealistic to say if all the pieces come together for this football we will be playing well into late jan/early feb this season!

Feel better? :rolleyes:
 
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Nors said:
Nice case - but this is a discussion board. Thats what we do - debate and discuss.

You can't silence that.

I know brother, I just wish people would realize Vinny Testaverde was a bum and this is the best QB we've had since Aikman...despite the fact bledsoes prime days are behind him. He still has a rocket arm and if he has time he will pose serious damage to opposing defenses.
 

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BledsoetoWittenfortheTD said:
I know brother, I just wish people would realize Vinny Testaverde was a bum and this is the best QB we've had since Aikman...despite the fact bledsoes prime days are behind him. He still has a rocket arm and if he has time he will pose serious damage to opposing defenses.


Articulate your opinions - but don't lead with stop all this talk mantra.
 

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I just don't think the stats really play out this big distinction between Testaverde and Bledsoe. I've stated before why I think they are similar and different, so I won't rehash it here.

The only thing that worries me about Drew is the sack totals. Sacks really kill any chance of running a ball control offense. I don't think Drew feels the rush very well, and he certainly doesn't elude well. His sack totals have always been high regardless of the line he is playing behind.

I'm not sure what you are looking for... perhaps you'd prefer if we all just got behind Drew and said how wonderful of a season we are going to have, but I think it's best when you have some self critism. We should understand the team flaws and always be wanting a better team. Otherwise you are just reading the press releases.. not a discussion board.
 

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playit12 said:
I just don't think the stats really play out this big distinction between Testaverde and Bledsoe. I've stated before why I think they are similar and different, so I won't rehash it here.

The only thing that worries me about Drew is the sack totals. Sacks really kill any chance of running a ball control offense. I don't think Drew feels the rush very well, and he certainly doesn't elude well. His sack totals have always been high regardless of the line he is playing behind.

I'm not sure what you are looking for... perhaps you'd prefer if we all just got behind Drew and said how wonderful of a season we are going to have, but I think it's best when you have some self critism. We should understand the team flaws and always be wanting a better team. Otherwise you are just reading the press releases.. not a discussion board.
Your posts in that other thread were very persuasive.

Bledsoe is most certainly an upgrade over over-the-hill VT, but I agree he represents a marginal one.

It will be the much more upgraded 'bus' that will translate to anything meaningful, imo.
 
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playit12 said:
I just don't think the stats really play out this big distinction between Testaverde and Bledsoe. I've stated before why I think they are similar and different, so I won't rehash it here.

The only thing that worries me about Drew is the sack totals. Sacks really kill any chance of running a ball control offense. I don't think Drew feels the rush very well, and he certainly doesn't elude well. His sack totals have always been high regardless of the line he is playing behind.

I'm not sure what you are looking for... perhaps you'd prefer if we all just got behind Drew and said how wonderful of a season we are going to have, but I think it's best when you have some self critism. We should understand the team flaws and always be wanting a better team. Otherwise you are just reading the press releases.. not a discussion board.

Bledsoe will be sacked, there's no question. But then again what QB in the league doesn't get sacked.

I think too many people draw the correlation between sacks and bad QB play when it really doesn't matter. Look at Vick, he was sacked way more than Bledsoe. In fact when you think about it how many 'mobile' QBs have ever done anything in this league....Mcnabb? Culpepper?....the bottom line is you need to know how to throw the football....and Bledsoe can do that better than both of those aformentioned QB's.

Like I said I don't expect a Peyton Manning season from Drew...but I do expect him to play smart and make big plays when the opportunities arise. If this last great statuesque QB can lead this team to the playoffs I could care less how many times hes sacked.
 
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LaTunaNostra said:
Your posts in that other thread were very persuasive.

Bledsoe is most certainly an upgrade over over-the-hill VT, but I agree he represents a marginal one.

It will be the much more upgraded 'bus' that will translate to anything meaningful, imo.

exactly....bledsoe is merely another passenger in this 'bus' you speak off...albeit a key one

But when its all said and done you win as a team and lose as a team.
 

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BledsoetoWittenfortheTD said:
In fact when you think about it how many 'mobile' QBs have ever done anything in this league....Mcnabb? Culpepper?

Young? Staubach? Cunningham (3 time MVP)? Elway? To name a few....
 

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Vinny Testaverde wasn't a bum. He squatted 500 pounds and holds the record for second most losses by a starting QB in the NFL. This is a true stat. I remember Madden followed it up by saying "well you have to be good to play that many games in the NFL."

Vinny in all truth, wasn't a bad quarterback. He could look like Aikman on one play, and Tim Couch on the next. Inconsistency and stupid mistakes plagued him. He wasn't perfect by any means, but he had some playmaking ability. Nobody at his age should be the starting Quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys over 15 games.
 

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And only someone who knows NOTHING about football would say there's no correlation between sacks and QB play.
 
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HeavyHitta31 said:
Young? Staubach? Cunningham (3 time MVP)? Elway? To name a few....

Actually I was talking about the new age QB's like Vick, Mcnabb, Culpepper, etc

Also don't forget the bums who were hyped up beyond belief and failed miserably: Akili Smith, *cough Quincy Carter cough*
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Young? Staubach? Cunningham (3 time MVP)? Elway? To name a few....

Staubach was a pocket QB who ran on occasion but threw off scrambles....
Cunningham won nothing
Young won at age 33 when he stopped running
Elway won at age 37/38 - no running there
 
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HeavyHitta31 said:
And only someone who knows NOTHING about football would say there's no correlation between sacks and QB play.

Keeping running your mouth like a tool because i could care less......yes of course sacks are not a good thing...but my point was who cares how many times you get sacked if the end result is playoff births and gaudy passing numbers. All QB's get sacked it's part of the game, Bledsoe unfortunately has the disadvantage of being a statue in this new era of the NFL.
 

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Nors said:
Staubach was a pocket QB who ran on occasion but threw off scrambles....
Cunningham won nothing
Young won at age 33 when he stopped running
Elway won at age 37/38 - no running there

Staubach was very mobile, just didnt run much because of Dorsett. And QBs didnt run much in those days to begin with.

Cunningham won the MVP 3 times, only other player to do that is Farve. And he didnt win a title because he played on a subpar team most of his career.

Young stopped running at 33? He had 3 of his 5 best rushing years after the age of 31.

Elway made the SB 3 times when he was very mobile.

Try again
 

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Young still has the record for most career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (42). I don't think her eally stopped running til he stopped playing.
 

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BledsoetoWittenfortheTD said:
Keeping running your mouth like a tool because i could care less......yes of course sacks are not a good thing...but my point was who cares how many times you get sacked if the end result is playoff births and gaudy passing numbers. All QB's get sacked it's part of the game, Bledsoe unfortunately has the disadvantage of being a statue in this new era of the NFL.

Irony at it's finest....

And the point is there wont BE a playoff birth if Bledsoe gets sacked 40 times. Hde wont put up gaudy numbers if he gets sacked 40 times.
 
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