Please... Stop bringing up Aikman...

[Hunter71]

I have no idea why people use Aikman in their argumets about Norv Turner...

First of all, Aikman knew Turner as an OC, NOT as a HC...

BIG difference...

Second of all, take the friggin Aikman Man-Love Goggles off and look at Turner's record as a HC...

He got fired in Washington and was even worse in Oakland...

You get fired DURING a season is the worst kind of indication of what you are as a coach...

That means that the team is in revolt and you've lost the players and the owner has NO faith in you to even finish the season...

Those are FACTS and not speculation about what he COULD be as a HC...

Third of all, some of you openly complain about Aikman ripping on the team in interviews and while broadcasting as if this is some afront to you because he's a "Cowboy"...

But NOW, you hang on to every one of his words and use it as justification for hiring Norv...

Me thinks that's called hypocrisy...

 

[BlueStar22]

He got fired in Washington and was even worse in Oakland...

So what do you think of the guys that have followed him in Oakland and D.C.? Are they just bad coaches since they haven't been able to win or would you put that on the lack of having the talent to win. The coach in San Diego was fired in Washington after 1 season yet he had his team in the playoffs with the best record in the NFL this year. Your logic doesn't make since. Bill Parcells had his best coaching job ever his first year in getting that team to the playoffs. The magic didn't work in year 2. At some point, these guys have to have talented players to make it work because they all know how to coach a little bit.

 

[big dog cowboy]

First of all, Aikman knew Turner as an OC, NOT as a HC...

Thanks for clearly that up.

 

[The Fonz]

I have no idea why people use Aikman in their argumets about Norv Turner...

First of all, Aikman knew Turner as an OC, NOT as a HC...

BIG difference...

Second of all, take the friggin Aikman Man-Love Goggles off and look at Turner's record as a HC...

He got fired in Washington and was even worse in Oakland...

You get fired DURING a season is the worst kind of indication of what you are as a coach...

That means that the team is in revolt and you've lost the players and the owner has NO faith in you to even finish the season...

Those are FACTS and not speculation about what he COULD be as a HC...

Third of all, some of you openly complain about Aikman ripping on the team in interviews and while broadcasting as if this is some afront to you because he's a "Cowboy"...

But NOW, you hang on to every one of his words and use it as justification for hiring Norv...

Me thinks that's called hypocrisy...

Bill Belichick was a loser in Cleveland too.I personally think Norv is better fit then Wade. Norv with a good 3-4 DC we will be fine.

 

[superpunk]

Third of all, some of you openly complain about Aikman ripping on the team in interviews and while broadcasting as if this is some afront to you because he's a "Cowboy"...

But NOW, you hang on to every one of his words and use it as justification for hiring Norv...

Me thinks that's called hypocrisy...

Most of what you said is true - but this is ridiculous.

Unless you know that people who now use Aikman as a reason in support of Norv are the same ones that complain about Aikman being a biased hack, then there is no hypocrisy.

I wouldn't complain too much. This is what you have to suffer through when you "get rid of them all."

I do agree that Norv would be a terrifying candidate for the Cowboys. Talk about a doormat personality.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Any other team's fans would hurl themselves out of a window at the mere mention of Norv Turner being linked to their HC job. Norv Turner as a head coach is a punchline around the league.

Yes, the Aikman and the glory days factor means a lot.

Frankly, its absolutely appalling that Troy Aikman has any influence over this organization. Like it wasn't bad enough when he was playing that he could decide coaches and draft picks like the late 90's, he now gets to pick his coaches when he can't even win games for us.

 

[Hunter71]

So what do you think of the guys that have followed him in Oakland and D.C.?

That makes sense...

I'm not talkng about the other coaches...I'm talking about Turner's record as a HC...

He was 49-59-1 with the Skins...

9-23 with the Raiders...

Bill Belichick was a loser in Cleveland too

True...

But you just proved my point....

What has Belichick done with his second team versus what Turner accomplished with his?...


Thanks for clearly that up.

You're welcome...

I'm here to help...

Most of what you said is true - but this is ridiculous.

Unless you know that people who now use Aikman as a reason in support of Norv are the same ones that complain about Aikman being a biased hack, then there is no hypocrisy.

How dare you tell me I'm ridiculous!...

Sorry, thought you were my wife for a second...

 

[superpunk]

Any other team's fans would hurl themselves out of a window at the mere mention of Norv Turner being linked to their HC job. Norv Turner as a head coach is a punchline around the league.

Yes, the Aikman and the glory days factor means a lot.

Frankly, its absolutely appalling that Troy Aikman has any influence over this organization. Like it wasn't bad enough when he was playing that he could decide coaches and draft picks like the late 90's, he now gets to pick his coaches when he can't even win games for us.

Realistically, Aikman has nothing to do with the hiring process, outside of the thought process of some fans.

Maybe if we hire Norv, though - Aikman can just shout out plays from the booth when they broadcast our games. Heck, he could be the honorary coordinator, and Garrett would take a backseat again. Poor red....he can't win.

 

[dbair1967]

I have no idea why people use Aikman in their argumets about Norv Turner...

First of all, Aikman knew Turner as an OC, NOT as a HC...

BIG difference...

Second of all, take the friggin Aikman Man-Love Goggles off and look at Turner's record as a HC...

He got fired in Washington and was even worse in Oakland...

You get fired DURING a season is the worst kind of indication of what you are as a coach...

That means that the team is in revolt and you've lost the players and the owner has NO faith in you to even finish the season...

Those are FACTS and not speculation about what he COULD be as a HC...

Third of all, some of you openly complain about Aikman ripping on the team in interviews and while broadcasting as if this is some afront to you because he's a "Cowboy"...

But NOW, you hang on to every one of his words and use it as justification for hiring Norv...

Me thinks that's called hypocrisy...

has anybody else done anything in those two places since? will they ever?

its fair to say Turner has a losing record in two stops as a HC, but its also fair to say he was in arguably the worst situations in the NFC and AFC as well. Nobody has done anything with those teams

Norv makes sense here because 1) we have alot more talent than either of those teams did and 2) Romo needs good coaching if he is to hit his full development

David

 

[dbair1967]

Any other team's fans would hurl themselves out of a window at the mere mention of Norv Turner being linked to their HC job. Norv Turner as a head coach is a punchline around the league.

Yes, the Aikman and the glory days factor means a lot.

Frankly, its absolutely appalling that Troy Aikman has any influence over this organization. Like it wasn't bad enough when he was playing that he could decide coaches and draft picks like the late 90's, he now gets to pick his coaches when he can't even win games for us.

this is pretty stupid

Aikman didnt make any draft picks or sign any players...and he isnt "picking" the coach now...

David

 

[InmanRoshi]

Realistically, Aikman has nothing to do with the hiring process, outside of the thought process of some fans.

If Norv is hired, Aikman will have had a heck of a lot to do with the hiring process.

 

[superpunk]

If Norv is hired, Aikman will have had a heck of a lot to do with the hiring process.

There's something cryptic here, but I can't figure it out.

 

[InmanRoshi]

its fair to say Turner has a losing record in two stops as a HC, but its also fair to say he was in arguably the worst situations in the NFC and AFC as well. Nobody has done anything with those teams

Aside from Callahan going to the Superbowl and Gruden a tuck rule away from going to another one, you're right .. no one can win there.

When people say no one can win with the Raiders, what they are really saying is no one named Norv Turner or Art Shell can win with the Raiders.

 

[dbair1967]

If Norv is hired, Aikman will have had a heck of a lot to do with the hiring process.

honestly dude, you have no clue if this is true or not...so why keep saying it? It's the same garbage as saying "Aikman forced LaFleur on us" or "Aikman got Jones to trade two #1 picks for Galloway"when it isnt true

Aikman said he thinks Norv is a great coach...so do alot of other poeple...Jimmy Johnson said Jones should hire Norv Turner...its even likely that Parcells is telling Jones what to do...but saying Aikman is pulling Jones' strings now is pretty stupid

David

 

[dbair1967]

Aside from Callahan going to the Superbowl and Gruden a tuck rule away from going to another one, you're right .. no one can win there.

When people say no one can win with the Raiders, what they are really saying is no one named Norv Turner or Art Shell can win with the Raiders.

whats their record since that super bowl demoliaiton, remind me again?

that was 2002, it wasnt yesterday

also, the "tuck" things happened in 2001, and didnt cost them a Super Bowl appearance...that was a 2nd rd game

David

 

[Hunter71]

David...

I've only been here a few months and I respect your comments...

But, c'mon...

The Skins, and I hate myself for saying this, are one of the most successful franchises in NFL history...


And 2 years prior, both Chucky and Callahan to the Raiders to the AFC Championship game and SB, respectively...

And someone brought up Belichick as an example of a horrible coach in Cleveland...

Well, he took over a team that was also 2 years removed from the playoffs, had a 5-11 season, similar to Tunrer and then won a SB in his second season...

BIG difference...

 

[InmanRoshi]

whats their record since that super bowl demoliaiton, remind me again?

that was 2002, it wasnt yesterday

also, the "tuck" things happened in 2001, and didnt cost them a Super Bowl appearance...that was a 2nd rd game

David

It was four years ago. If you think not going to a Superbowl in the span of four years makes you a awfull franchise, I would wonder why you think Norv is going to win here when we're a far worse franchise under those parameters. The record since Norv took over has pretty atrocious. I'm sure Norv had absolutely nothing to do with it in your mind.

He was with Washington for SEVEN YEARS. Only two did he play under Snyder. Seven years to build a winner, and he couldn't do it.

I'm sorry, Dblar, the fact that you're heralding this and making one pitiful excuse after another for Norv after making two months of posts about not 'settling for mediocrity' means you pretty much have no credibility with me anymore.

 

[Hunter71]

this is pretty stupid

Aikman didnt make any draft picks or sign any players...and he isnt "picking" the coach now...

David

Are you serious?...

He signed off on drafting LaFleur and thought he was the next Novacek...

Of course he's had a hand in all of this...

Including the firing of Switzer which was well-documented that Aikman wanted him out...

Hmmmm...HOF QB versus a reckless HC...

Which one do you think wins that battle with JJ?...

 

[Gaede]

Any other team's fans would hurl themselves out of a window at the mere mention of Norv Turner being linked to their HC job. Norv Turner as a head coach is a punchline around the league.

.

Pretty much. The fans, and the media in front of them, have convinced themselves that Norv is a victim of circumstance--that Norv really had nothing to do with his horrible record.

He is what he is! A BAD head coach! Not once, but twice! He wasn't mediocre, he SUCKED!

Oh, but he'd fix the offense and mentor Tony Romo? First off, there was nothing wrong with the offense to begin with. Second, why hire a HC to be a QB coach? The head coach has more responsibilities than making sure the QB works.

The defense needs to be fixed, first and foremost. And call me crazy, but I don't trust someone who was on staff during the meltdown last year (read: Bowles) to do that.

It all comes back to this damn nostalgia for the 90s. We need to wake up.

 

[dbair1967]

It was four years ago.

The record since Norv took over has pretty atrocious. I'm sure Norv had absolutely nothing to do with it in your mind.

I'm sorry, Dblar, the fact that you're heralding this and making one pitiful excuse after another for Norv after making two months of posts about not 'settling for mediocrity' means you pretty much have no credibility with me anymore.

and honestly, somebody that cant even read a screenname has no credibility with me either

really I dont care...I've never said Norv is a great hire...but I think he does make sense for now because there are no sure things out there...they all come with question marks

if they hire Norv at the VERY least we know Romo will get great coaching...he needs it...he regressed as the season wore on because of several reasons...poor mechanics, poor play calling, poor decision making, lack of a consistent run game...these are all things that Norv is good at correcting

and if Norv fails, then he wont be the HC next yr...anything short of winning a playoff game or two (unless we have a severely injured team) and Norv is probably one and done, and one of the high profile free agent coaches will probably be put in place for 2008...could be Cowher, could be Fisher, could be Lovie Smith...who knows who else might be available

David