Potential trade down partner??? (Pitt)

[Portland Fanatic]

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Value chart:
Boys = 18th pick is worth 900 pts
Pitt = 32nd is worth 590
Pitt = 64th is worth 270
Pitt = 129th in the 4th is worth 44.

Boys at 900 pts
Pitt at 904 pts

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

 

[SDogo]

heck yes I would

 

[Zaxor]

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Value chart:
Boys = 18th pick is worth 900 pts
Pitt = 32nd is worth 590
Pitt = 64th is worth 270
Pitt = 129th in the 4th is worth 44.

Boys at 900 pts
Pitt at 904 pts

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

something to think about but if I were the boys I would wait till there pick comes and see who is there before I trade out

 

[Portland Fanatic]

something to think about but if I were the boys I would wait till there pick comes and see who is there before I trade out

I tend to agree...If for some strange reason Ngata or Bunkley fell we'd be kicking ourselves.

 

[jazzcat22]

something to think about but if I were the boys I would wait till there pick comes and see who is there before I trade out

Yes, see who is there at #18, maybe someone else gives up more.

Goose Gossilin was saying this earlier with Norm. Don't trade down, until your on the clock. If a player is there you want, take him, unless there are several players there, then make the trade, pick one of your guys later.

 

[Longboysfan]

I still like our trade slot with the Colts if they came a knocking.

 

[THUMPER]

Yes, see who is there at #18, maybe someone else gives up more.

Goose Gossilin was saying this earlier with Norm. Don't trade down, until your on the clock. If a player is there you want, take him, unless there are several players there, then make the trade, pick one of your guys later.

I agree. It doesn't make sense to trade ahead of time when you don't know who might drop to us at #18.

 

[speedkilz88]

They could also trade down and then back up if the tweeners do fall.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I would do it in a heartbeat. Gaining two more picks on the first day would be more beneficial. I think there is going to be some great values in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Why not take advantage of that and not break the bank on draft picks. That would also allow the Boys to maybe sign RW to a longterm deal before the season starts.

 

[Woods]

I'd probably be more inclined to do it, but I'd be interested in knowing what BP thinks of Howard and Haralson, for example, versus Carp/Wemb/Lawson. If he thought the drop-off wasn't huge, it would lean me towards making the trade.

 

[kartr]

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Value chart:
Boys = 18th pick is worth 900 pts
Pitt = 32nd is worth 590
Pitt = 64th is worth 270
Pitt = 129th in the 4th is worth 44.

Boys at 900 pts
Pitt at 904 pts

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

Yes I would, getting a couple of extra draft picks would create much needed depth. I would also trade the Pitt pick for an additional 2nd and a fifth, probably to a team drafting in the first 10 ten range; this would give us a high second and fifth and high 2nd equals a low first, plus we pick up the extra high fifth, which equals a low 4th.

 

[Hostile]

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Value chart:
Boys = 18th pick is worth 900 pts
Pitt = 32nd is worth 590
Pitt = 64th is worth 270
Pitt = 129th in the 4th is worth 44.

Boys at 900 pts
Pitt at 904 pts

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

Yeah I would. But I doubt they would, unless there is a RB at 18 they want.

FWIW, this is IMO the best trade down scenario I have seen submitted so far.

 

[Charles]

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Value chart:
Boys = 18th pick is worth 900 pts
Pitt = 32nd is worth 590
Pitt = 64th is worth 270
Pitt = 129th in the 4th is worth 44.

Boys at 900 pts
Pitt at 904 pts

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

Great stuff !!

 

[NMfan]

It would be difficult to pass up the players at 18 but to get four of the players in the top eighty in the draft is real value. You could still get a top NT, OLB, OT & S in the first day. I would pull that trigger.

 

[dalsyk]

I would do it in a heartbeat. Gaining two more picks on the first day would be more beneficial. I think there is going to be some great values in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Why not take advantage of that and not break the bank on draft picks. That would also allow the Boys to maybe sign RW to a longterm deal before the season starts.

The trade would only add 1 more first day pick. We swap 1st round picks. Then we still have are 2nd and 3rd round picks and add pitts 2nd and 4th round pick. Too far of a drop in the 1st to get a quality linebacker. The 4th round is on the 2nd day

 

[Avery]

I echo the sentiments of many. I want to see how the board shapes up first.

I would sulk for days if we lost out on Ngata at #18 (not that he'll be there anyway).

 

[AsthmaField]

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

No I wouldn't make the trade.

The first rounder (#32) is one pick away from being a second rounder. Pick number 64 is one pick away from being a third rounder and the 129th pick is one away from being a 5th rounder.

So you might as well say we'd have:

2nd (pitt)
2nd (our own)
3rd (pitt)
3rd (our own)
5th (pitt)

We'd be getting in effect:
2nd
3rd
5th

for the #18 pick. I don't like that. Our roster is talented enough that 3rd and 5th rounders should have a hard time sticking... we very well might end up cutting two of those picks we traded for.

Not to mention the fact that we'd be paying a 1st rounder that is one pick away from being a second... and we'd have to pay him first round money. We'd be paying a 2nd and 4th, 2nd and 4th round money when they are one pick away from being a 3rd and 5th. Just doesn't make sense.

I say stay with the 18 instead of taking a few extra picks later on in the draft. Just take our highest rated OLB and be done with it. Why the heck give the super bowl champs our better pick and take their worse picks?

The Steelers are thinking correctly about it. Its about the amount of talent you have on your team... not the number of warm bodies you have.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Value chart:
Boys = 18th pick is worth 900 pts
Pitt = 32nd is worth 590
Pitt = 64th is worth 270
Pitt = 129th in the 4th is worth 44.

Boys at 900 pts
Pitt at 904 pts

Boys would have picks:
32 = 1st (from Pitt)
49 = 2nd (our own)
64 = 2nd (From Pitt)
80 = 3rd (our own)
129 = 4th (From Pitt)

Would you make the trade???

I don't like the fact we could and most likely would lose out on Wimbley, Carpenter, or Lawson....

not bad.....and if one of the LBs like Wimbley Lawson or Carpenter fall to us....that would just be dandy, but with Clevland, Patriots, Giants, jaguars, AZ, Minn, SF all looking for LBs it might be tough (assuming Hawk goes to GB), then its 7 teams and 5 top LBs (Sims, Lawson, Carpenter, Greenway, Wimbley). we may lose out on a need position.

 

[zrinkill]

If we can not get one of the great Linebackers coming out of this draft ..... I do not want to trade down ..... period.

 

[AsthmaField]

It would be difficult to pass up the players at 18 but to get four of the players in the top eighty in the draft is real value. You could still get a top NT, OLB, OT & S in the first day. I would pull that trigger.

Yeah, but would that OLB be able to help? Would we just be back to where we were with Fujita... only less experience? Would the safety be any better than Keith Davis? Would the OT be good enough to replace what we have, even in the future? Would the NT even make the team?

We have a chance to nab an OLB that can come in and help the team win games. Why pass up that chance and get an OLB that will need a couple of years to contribute... we don't get any better that way. For a couple of picks that are basically a 3rd and a 5th? Good chance they don't even make the team.

This roster isn't the roster of the early 2000's where we needed warm bodies everywhere. This is a talented roster that needs a few specific things. We have a chance to get a couple of them at 18 and 49... let's just do it and not get a bunch of fringe players that we might hit on.

We signed 8 free agents and we'll have plent of draft picks... we'll have enough players.