Predictions at Safety?

[AKATheRake]

We carry 5 safeties and 5 corners.

5 safeties will be:

Church
Allen
Johnson
Wilcox
Hamilton

5 Corners will be:

Carr
Claiborne
Scandrick
Webb
Moore

 

[xwalker]

With some saying Sterling Moore is moving to safety for next season that puts us at 7 potential safeties for next season:

Sterling Moore
Matt Johnson
Barry Church
JJ Wilcox
Danny McCray
Jakar Hamilton
Will Allen

Obviously we aren't going to carry 7 on the roster, what is your prediction?

My prediction is: Moore stays at corner, and one of the young guys will get put on PUP or IR with an injury during camp

My prediction for 10 DBs is:
Claiborne
Carr
Scandrick
BW Webb
Sterling Moore CB/Safety

Will Allen
Barry Church
Matt Johnson
JJ Wilcox
Jakar Hamilton

Probably gets cut unless some injuries occur in training camp:
Danny McCray: He signed a Restricted FA tender but it is not guaranteed. It will be difficult to make the team as a Special Teams only player with a 1.3M salary.

 

[cdf]

Micah Pellerin will be the surprise contender for the starting free safety position.

 

[gimmesix]

Micah Pellerin will be the surprise contender for the starting free safety position.

If you're being serious, please tell us why you believe that. Thanks.

 

[gimmesix]

My prediction for 10 DBs is:
Claiborne
Carr
Scandrick
BW Webb
Sterling Moore CB/Safety

Will Allen
Barry Church
Matt Johnson
JJ Wilcox
Jakar Hamilton

Probably gets cut unless some injuries occur in training camp:
Danny McCray: He signed a Restricted FA tender but it is not guaranteed. It will be difficult to make the team as a Special Teams only player with a 1.3M salary.

I just don't see it. Dallas seems to love McCray despite his poor play at safety, so I think he plays out his tender while Hamilton goes on the PS to develop.

Of course, we do have a different special teams coach, so maybe the love went away when DeCamillas did.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I just don't see it. Dallas seems to love McCray despite his poor play at safety, so I think he plays out his tender while Hamilton goes on the PS to develop.

Of course, we do have a different special teams coach, so maybe the love went away when DeCamillas did.

I think Hamilton will get scooped up before he makes it to the PS. Rumor has it he had a 3rd grade on him and both the eagles and Giants were high on him as well. I think this kid has a serious chance of competing for the other safety spot. I think that it all depends on Wilcox development. I think that one of these 2 guys ends up starting. Call it a guy feeling.

 

[xwalker]

Micah Pellerin will be the surprise contender for the starting free safety position.

Do you have specific knowledge of this player or is this just a funny because he is at the bottom of the depth chart?

 

[BAT]

Do you have specific knowledge of this player or is this just a funny because he is at the bottom of the depth chart?

2011 Shrine Game standout and All MEAC as corner. Ran a 4.45 at combine then pulled a hammy.

Pellerin has decent size (6'0 195) for a zone corner and good speed, but nothing special stands out in his transition to safety.

Wilcox has more upside IMO. And Wilcox has at least played the safety spot at some level.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I expect Church to be the definite. He was getting more praise than anyone not named Dez in training camp last offseason. I think we have a Raw guy beside him as it is a straight competition between J.J. Wilcox and Matt Johnson.

Let's not forget that Church is raw also, with only a few full games experience. This is the one positional group we really have to hope and pray someone surprises us in camp.

I will have to go with Church and Matt.

 

[Echo9]

With some saying Sterling Moore is moving to safety for next season that puts us at 7 potential safeties for next season:

Sterling Moore
Matt Johnson
Barry Church
JJ Wilcox
Danny McCray
Jakar Hamilton
Will Allen

Obviously we aren't going to carry 7 on the roster, what is your prediction?


My prediction is: Moore stays at corner, and one of the young guys will get put on PUP or IR with an injury during camp

I'm pretty interested to see how this plays out. There are so many factors that are very difficult to predict. First Off, I think Moore stays at CB to start. I one or more of the rooks gets hurt or just stinks, then we revisit the idea.

Church
Church was really starting to show something at the beginning of the year. However, two things concern me. One is the obvious injury, but the other is that sometimes new guys will come in and make some nice strides, but then have problems again after other teams get more film on them and learn how to attack. We saw that with McCray. Granted, Church played better than McCray EVER did, but the problems with McCray really began to surface in the later games, not right out of the gate. This makes me temper my expectation with Church.He simply didn't play enough games for other teams to learn how to exploit his potential weaknesses.

For this reason, I don't think he's a lock to start. If he comes back from the Achilles 100%, I'd like to see him start, but not counting on it.

Johnson
I think we'll find out pretty soon what we've got with him. This may be total speculation, but I'm gonna guess that if he gets hurt, it will be early on. I'm hoping they've been working with him on training to avoid these various muscle pulls, and if that's been corrected, then he's right in the mix.

McCray
Unlike most, I like the guy. He's really a standout ST player, but if both rookies show well, he's probably gone.

Allen
He's the safe bet to be starting early in the year. I think that we'll try to get some of the other guys in in certain spots to gain experience. Maybe by mid-season Johnson, or even Wilcox or Hamilton, get more playing time.

Wilcox
Well, I con't say I know anything by personal experience here, but all I hear is that he has a really high ceiling but need seasoning. This is a guy that could become a great player for us, but could also just tease. I'm going to guess that he gets on the field on D at some point during the season, but only in specific packages.

Hamilton
From what I've read, Hamilton is far more NFL ready than Wilcox and could actually be more ready than Johnson to play. I've also heard that he's not exactly an RKG. So I went looking for what kind of problem he supposedly had and couldn't find any. Maybe academics? Looks like he had a tough road is all. Apparently some had him rated in the 4th round, so that's interesting.

TL;DR?
I think the guys who start the season won't be the same as the one's who finish it. If all three of our Unknowns (Johnson,Wilcox,Hamilton) show enough, then McCray gets cut. Church will either be one of the starters or ends up cut as well.

 

[BAT]

Let's not forget that Church is raw also, with only a few full games experience. This is the one positional group we really have to hope and pray someone surprises us in camp.

I will have to go with Church and Matt.

In addition to being "raw", Church was not all that fast to begin with and now he is rehabbing a serious leg injury. Not all Achilles injuries are alike but there is no guarantee that he comes back 100%.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

In addition to being "raw", Church was not all that fast to begin with and now he is rehabbing a serious leg injury. Not all Achilles injuries are alike but there is no guarantee that he comes back 100%.

Yeah its kinda hard to be optimistic about the position group as of right now, with nothing but a very raw small school rookie and a mediocre vet added to the mix. Add Church and Matt's situations, and you got a recipe for question marks.

Our CBs will have to play lights out with this safety crew, putting alot of pressure on them unfortunately. Just hoping for a miracle, at least we have vets that can start at other positions, but at safety all we have is question marks.

 

[JayBout2]

Do you have specific knowledge of this player or is this just a funny because he is at the bottom of the depth chart?

The SCOUTINGREPORTS ON MICAH PELLERIN in 2012 were as follows:
[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]Dane Brugler,NFLDraftScout.com, Practice Notes from the East West Shrine Game stated:[/FONT]

[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]“Another cornerback from the FCS level who hasflashed is Hampton's Micah Pellerin. Like Norman, he has a tall, lean frame (6feet, 195 pounds), but not as much bulk. Pellerin struggled a bit with hisfootwork in coverage drills, but he's decisive in his movements with a smoothbackpedal, getting to top speed quickly. He played with confidence on the fieldand didn't back down or look tentative against Big Ten receivers A.J. Jenkins [first round draft choice of the 49ers] andB.J. Cunningham.” [/FONT]
[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]Wes Bunting’sPractice Notes from East-West Shrine Game stated:[/FONT]

[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]“Small-schoolCB Micah Pellerin displayed a greatfeel in coverage Monday during one-on-one sessions. He’s slow in his drop,exhibits a good closing burst and despite getting a bit leggy at times he had thelength to get his hands on a lot of footballs. Looks like apotential NFL starter at 6-0, 195.”

Ranking the Top 10 prospects from East-West Shrine Game, the National FootballPost stated:[/FONT]
[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]“Just missedthe cut: Hampton CB Micah Pellerin(6-1, 195) -- A tall, good-looking corner who can turn and run, and showcasesgood quickness/feel in off man coverage. Has a tendency to get a bit overextendedwhen trying to get out of his breaks and close. However, hedisplays a "plus" burst when driving on throws and uses his lengthwell to get after the football.”[/FONT]

[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]NFL.com’s PreCombine Analysis of Pellerin stated:[/FONT]
“[Pellerin] displays his athleticability when working to defend once the ball is in the air. He will need somedevelopmental time covering bigger and faster receivers at the next level, but at 6 feet tall he won'tget beat physically and is a strong player in all facets of the game.”

[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]“Pellerinhas speed and is a very technical defender in his back pedal and can ignite apowerful drive leg to come forward out of his back pedal and drive on theball.” As a cover guy, he likes toplay off, probably too far off for the next level [Hampton'sbase coverage was Cover 3], but heis good to turn and run in a receivers hips once he gives up his cushion. He has speed to recover when beat initiallyoff the line playing press and is an athlete when it comes to making a play onthe ball.”[/FONT]
[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]Kris Kouffmanwriting for the Bleacher Report stated:[/FONT]

[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]“Hampton hasa reputation for putting out some surprising NFL contributors, and Pellerinshould be the next among them. I saw the player live inEast-West Shrine practices and he stood out as a smooth athlete with greatframe and some ability to move and stay in the receiver's hip pocket. I believehe should make [a] final 53-man roster.”[/FONT]
[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]Pellerin led the nation at the FCS levelin passes defended his senior season, tied for First with 19 total passes defended(15 passes defended and four interceptions); led the MEAC in passes defended in both his senior and junior seasons. Both Wilcox and Hamilton played at the FCS level; Hamilton played in the MEAC. [/FONT]

[FONT="Times New Roman","serif"]Church, Johnsonand Wilcox are box safeties; their primary skill set being bringing the wood. Eachof those guys will be exposed, as McCray has been exposed in coverage. Pellerin 6'1," 200 lb. corner with coverage skill and ball skills converted to safety. Pellerin possesses a skill set, the abilityto cover and get his hands on the football, sorely missing in the Dallassecondary. With coaching at the professional level coaching, Pellerin has as good achance to make a 53 man roster at safety as the other contenders. Truth is, after having playedon offense for three years, Wilcox will need all the coaching he can get and then some to be ready to be a full time starter at safety. [/FONT][FONT="Times New Roman","serif"][/FONT]

 

[JayBout2]

Micah Pellerin will be the surprise contender for the starting free safety position.

[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]The SCOUTING REPORTS ON MICAH PELLERIN in 2012 were as follows:[/FONT]
Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com, Practice Notes from theEast West Shrine Game stated: “[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Another cornerback from the FCS level who hasflashed is Hampton's Micah Pellerin. Like Norman, he has a tall, lean frame (6feet, 195 pounds), but not as much bulk. Pellerin struggled a bit with hisfootwork in coverage drills, but he's decisive in his movements with a smoothbackpedal, getting to top speed quickly. He played with confidence on the fieldand didn't back down or look tentative against Big Ten receivers A.J. Jenkins [first round draft choice of the 49ers[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]] and B.J. Cunningham.” [/FONT][FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"][/FONT][/FONT]
Wes Bunting’s Practice Notes from East-West Shrine Gamestated: “[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Small-school CB Micah Pellerin displayed a great feel in coverage Monday duringone-on-one sessions. He’s slow in his drop, exhibits a good closing burst anddespite getting a bit leggy at times he had the length to get his hands on alot of footballs. [FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Looks like apotential NFL starter at 6-0, 195.”[/FONT][FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"][/FONT][/FONT]

Ranking the Top 10 prospects from East-West Shrine Game,the National Football Post stated: “[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Just missedthe cut: Hampton CB Micah Pellerin(6-1, 195) -- A tall, good-looking corner who can turn and run, and showcasesgood quickness/feel in off man coverage. Has a tendency to get a bit overextendedwhen trying to get out of his breaks and close. [FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]However, he displays a "plus" burstwhen driving on throws and uses his length well to get after the football.”[/FONT][/FONT]
NFL.com’s Pre Combine Analysis of Pellerin stated: [FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]“[Pellerin] displays his athletic abilitywhen working to defend once the ball is in the air. He will need somedevelopmental time covering bigger and faster receivers at the next level, [FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]but at 6 feet tall he won't get beatphysically and is a strong player in all facets of the game.[/FONT][FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]”[/FONT][FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"][/FONT][/FONT]
“[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Pellerin hasspeed and is a very technical defender in his back pedal and can ignite apowerful drive leg to come forward out of his back pedal and drive on theball.” As a cover guy, helikes to play off, probably too far off for the next level [[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Hampton's base coverage was Cover 3], but he is good to turn and run in a receivers hipsonce he gives up his cushion. He hasspeed to recover when beat initially off the line playing press and is anathlete when it comes to making a play on the ball.”[/FONT][/FONT]

Kris Kouffman writing for the Bleacher Report stated: “[FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]Hampton has a reputation for putting out somesurprising NFL contributors, and Pellerin should be the next among them. [FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"]I saw the player live in East-West Shrinepractices and he stood out as a smooth athlete with great frame and someability to move and stay in the receiver's hip pocket. I believe he should make[a] final 53-man roster.”[/FONT][FONT="Calibri","sans-serif"][/FONT][/FONT]
Pellerin led the nation at the FCS level in passesdefended his senior season, tied for First with 19 total passes defended (15passes defended and four interceptions); led the MEAC in passes defended inboth his senior and junior seasons. Wilcox and Hamilton both played collegiatelyon the FCS level.

Church, Johnson and Wilcox are box safeties; theirprimary skill set being bringing the wood. Each of those guys will be exposed,as has Danny McCray, in coverage. Pellerin is a 6'1," 200 lb. corner withcover skills and ball skills converted to safety. Pellerin possesses a skillset, the ability to cover and get his hands on the football, sorely missing inthe Dallas secondary. With coaching at the professional level coaching,Pellerin has as good a chance to make a 53 man roster at safety as the othercontenders. Truth is, after having playedon offense for three years, Wilcoxwill need all the coaching he can get and then some to be ready to be a fulltime starter at safety.

 

[Keystone_Heavy]

Umm.... welcome to Cowboys zone JayBout2?

 

[The Natural]

Never quite got the hype with Church. I think after watching the Elam/Sensabaugh fiasco 2 years ago anyone who appeared to be somewhat competent would garner alot of praise at that position. I like what I've been reading about the rookie Wilcox and I hope he's a starter next season.

 

[WhizKid]

Umm.... welcome to Cowboys zone JayBout2?

:laugh2:

 

[CF74]

Sadly it'll probably be McCray and Church.

LOL I got confused as well and thought Church was a FS but both of them are SS. I forgot that they had moved Sensabaugh to FS this past season..

Prediction:
SS Church
FS Allen

Hopefully the rooks can step up and start by mid season but barring injury, I see them waiting in the wings for at least a year...

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

LOL I got confused as well and thought Church was a FS but both of them are SS. I forgot that they had moved Sensabaugh to FS this past season..

Prediction:
SS Church
FS Allen

Hopefully the rooks can step up and start by mid season but barring injury, I see them waiting in the wings for at least a year...

This and lets hope JJ Wilcox is the next Darren Woodson/Sean Taylor type on the field.

 

[hra8700]

Really hoping for Matt Johnson and Barry Church