Prescott, Wentz, Mariota, or Winston: Best young QB to build around?

[SDCowboy]

I'd take Dak as #1, and then Marriota. I have zero interest in Winston. And I'm not sure what to make of Wentz as he's been terrible much of the year.

 

[CATCH17]

We are going to hate Wentz for years. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak's.

Lucky for us they are using the Alex Smith gameplan in Philadelphia.


Wentz needs to be getting vertical. He needs to be in an offense like ours.

Everything is short and sideways. He's a big arm QB with athleticism.

Slants, drags, and screens over and over with a QB like that is just ridiculous.


For me I still think Wentz easily has the most talent and upside of this group just based on physical ability.

Dak just has the it factor though. Special guy..

It's so strange with Dak because it felt like he had some kind of divine intervention working for him that got him to this point.

Missing Lynch and Cook in the draft... Kellen Moore getting hurt.. Performing at a high level in the preseason... Romo getting hurt... Too many coincidences for me to just look past.

 

[SDCowboy]

The narrative around Dak is already getting cemented: He's only good because of the offensive pieces around him. Get ready to hear this ad nauseum: "If Wentz, Mariota, whoever etc... had what Dak has then they'd all be putting up better numbers than Prescott."

This is complete bologna. If that was the narrative being built, Dak wouldn't lead most young QB lists, and he especially wouldn't be currently leading NFL.com's MVP polling if that were the case.

What's nice is we finally have a QB again that the media and NFL fans overwhelmingly seem to adore.

 

[CATCH17]

This is complete bologna. If that was the narrative being built, Dak wouldn't lead most young QB lists, and he especially wouldn't be currently leading NFL.com's MVP polling if that were the case.

What's nice is we finally have a QB again that the media and NFL fans overwhelmingly seem to adore.

I never understood the Romo hate.

Prescott being a Cowboy fan probably learned from every "mistake" Romo made that got him a lot of criticism and he knows to avoid them.

 

[SDCowboy]

We are going to hate Wentz for years. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak's.

Based on what? And don't tell me the measurables, because those are only relevant pre-draft.

 

[SDCowboy]

I never understood the Romo hate.

Prescott being a Cowboy fan probably learned from every "mistake" Romo made that got him a lot of criticism and he knows to avoid them.

I didn't get the hate either, but it was what it was. It's just nice having a QB again that the media and non-Cowboys fans seem to like and respect, and it's not a knock on Tony.

 

[TheCount]

It's amazing that all those QB's we trotted out last year didn't go 9-1 with basically the same talent around them.

 

[sean10mm]

Ceiling talk is kind of BS because it's purely theoretical. JaMarcus Russell had the world's highest ceiling ever and was crap. Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning and was maybe the worst ever. Brady was a human noodle with a mediocre arm and like a 5.5 40 and has 4 rings and the highest passer rating in football at 39 years old. Joe Montana was a physical nothing even by early 1980s standards and went 4-0 in Super Bowls.

 

[SDCowboy]

Ceiling talk is kind of BS because it's purely theoretical. JaMarcus Russell had the world's highest ceiling ever and was crap. Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning and was maybe the worst ever. Brady was a human noodle with a mediocre arm and like a 5.5 40 and has 4 rings and the highest passer rating in football at 39 years old. Joe Montana was a physical nothing even by early 1980s standards and went 4-0 in Super Bowls.

Exactly. The ceiling and measurables talk is BS. What matters is the the it-factor and what you actually do on the field.

Have you noticed that almost any time measurables or ceilings are brought up, it's usually to try and defend a QB who isn't playing well or living up to the hype?

 

[CATCH17]

Ceiling talk is kind of BS because it's purely theoretical. JaMarcus Russell had the world's highest ceiling ever and was crap. Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning and was maybe the worst ever. Brady was a human noodle with a mediocre arm and like a 5.5 40 and has 4 rings and the highest passer rating in football at 39 years old. Joe Montana was a physical nothing even by early 1980s standards and went 4-0 in Super Bowls.

Agree but that is how we measure these guys.


I think the NFL has gotten much better at evaluating QB's over the last decade though.

Most people knew Jamarcus Russell was going to bust. The Raiders didn't.

For me I was a Mariotta > Winston guy and I was a Wentz > Goff/Lynch guy.. I still feel good about those decisions.

As far as Dak.. I had him as a high end #2 QB. That was my predicition for him and at the time I felt like I was being super optimistic compared to others.

 

[Hawkeye19]

This is complete bologna. If that was the narrative being built, Dak wouldn't lead most young QB lists, and he especially wouldn't be currently leading NFL.com's MVP polling if that were the case.

What's nice is we finally have a QB again that the media and NFL fans overwhelmingly seem to adore.

You are right-- the majority of the media is in love with Dak...however, there is a sentiment out there in the media that are diminishing what Dak is doing b/c of the benefit he is getting from the OL and his supporting cast. It's the same narrative the media and other fans use to diminish Emmitt's legacy by the way-- this is nothing new. Emmitt's numbers are contextualized and have a virtual asterisk by them (in some people's eyes) b/c of the OL he played behind.

They say in essence "if Barry Sanders had the OL Emmitt ran behind, his numbers would have been equal to or better than Emmitt's." I'm not saying it's right or that I agree with it-- but the sentiment most certainly exists and is far from being bologna. People are already doing that with Wentz. "Look at the WR's he is playing with!!"

Look at most GOAT running back lists and you will quite often see someone else at #1 besides Emmitt, even though he ended his career with the most yards and was (imo) the MVP of our Super Bowl years in the 90s, and accomplished more than virtually any other RB in the history of the NFL. My point is that the same "reasoning" is being applied to Dak to take away from what he is accomplishing.

 

[Joe Realist]

Based on what? And don't tell me the measurables, because those are only relevant pre-draft.

He also has the it factor, is well prepared and is tough mentally (a must in Philly - see Bradford who is mental midget). It will be Dak and Wentz battling for years.

 

[SDCowboy]

He also has the it factor, is well prepared and is tough mentally (a must in Philly - see Bradford who is mental midget). It will be Dak and Wentz battling for years.

Again, based on what? You could be right, but you're not backing up your statement with anything.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The narrative around Dak is already getting cemented: He's only good because of the offensive pieces around him. Get ready to hear this ad nauseum: "If Wentz, Mariota, whoever etc... had what Dak has then they'd all be putting up better numbers than Prescott."

But I digress... you can build around any of those guys. They're all franchise QBs for the next 10 years. I put Dak at the top due to the intangibles of his leadership and character. He handles himself well on and off the field and has already established a reputation as a guy whose preparation is on par with Brady. From a pure athletic/physical standpoint-- Wentz looks like the real deal, and Mariota would be right there as well, both rated slightly higher than Dak in terms of measurables. Winston would be last for me.

Dak is good because Dak is good.

Dak would not be nearly as productive to date if not in our situation which is basically the platonic ideal for a young qb. Amazing offensive line? Check. Amazing wide receiver? Check. Amazing running back? Check. Safety valve tight end and slot receiver? Check and check.

Pointing this out isn't an insult to Dak. It's just the an acknowledgment that Dak would certainly be performing worse in Tennessee, Oakland, Philadelphia or Tampa Bay.

Out fanbase is so incredibly self conscious. Between this discussion and the one around our weak schedule it's been sad to see.

 

[DanTanna]

Wentz hasn't proven he can pass more than 5 yards down field yet. I'll wait until he competes with the other NFL QBs in that category before giving any props. David Carr had a 73% completion rated and was cut by the Texans, and he was a hell of a lot more athletic than Wentz. Dink and dunk gets you and the coaching staff fired, and that's where he is at now.

 

[DFWJC]

So hard to compare given what each team has as an overall offense.
How would each player be on the other's teams?

Oh yeah, and yes, Carr should be on that list too.

Oh, just saw mentioned that he's a couple of years older, so maybe it's for the under 25 crowd.

 

[romothesavior]

Kind of weird that Goff isn't on this list. I get that he hasn't really gotten out there yet, but if you're gonna include Wentz, seems like Goff should be on this too.

 

[SDCowboy]

Kind of weird that Goff isn't on this list. I get that he hasn't really gotten out there yet, but if you're gonna include Wentz, seems like Goff should be on this too.

Why? He's only played one game and looked terrible.

 

[romothesavior]

Why? He's only played one game and looked terrible.

Because just six or seven months ago, the big question was Goff vs. Wentz. Goff was selected No. 1 overall.

Wentz has started, Goff hasn't, which is as much a function of Jeff Fisher than anything. It's not like that debate just disappears after 6 months, especially since Wentz hasn't done much to prove himself a stud and Goff hasn't done much to crap the bed. There's really no reason at this point to give Wentz the nod over Goff.

 

[Trouty]

We are going to hate Wentz for years. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak's.

Joe, stahp it already. You were doing good for a while, but have regressed in recent weeks.

Just, stop.