Prescott, Wentz, Mariota, or Winston: Best young QB to build around?

[Hawkeye19]

Dak is good because Dak is good.

Dak would not be nearly as productive to date if not in our situation which is basically the platonic ideal for a young qb. Amazing offensive line? Check. Amazing wide receiver? Check. Amazing running back? Check. Safety valve tight end and slot receiver? Check and check.

Pointing this out isn't an insult to Dak. It's just the an acknowledgment that Dak would certainly be performing worse in Tennessee, Oakland, Philadelphia or Tampa Bay.

Out fanbase is so incredibly self conscious. Between this discussion and the one around our weak schedule it's been sad to see.

I 100% agree with you. I'm not saying I agree with the narrative-- just acknowledging that it is out there. IMO-- Dak is special and should be given all the credit for making the plays he's making and leading this team effectively as the QB. He's not doing it alone-- but he is playing his part incredibly well.

 

[Trouty]

Ceiling talk is kind of BS because it's purely theoretical. JaMarcus Russell had the world's highest ceiling ever and was crap. Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning and was maybe the worst ever. Brady was a human noodle with a mediocre arm and like a 5.5 40 and has 4 rings and the highest passer rating in football at 39 years old. Joe Montana was a physical nothing even by early 1980s standards and went 4-0 in Super Bowls.

All of these projections are "theoretical," homeslice. "Ceiling" talk or otherwise.

Notice, all of your cited examples have already left their mark, whether good or bad (rhetorical, don't answer). Take a moment to read this before answering.

"Ceiling" talk is a part of sports jargon, welcome to a message board and the sports world.

 

[Trouty]

Kind of weird that Goff isn't on this list. I get that he hasn't really gotten out there yet, but if you're gonna include Wentz, seems like Goff should be on this too.

I understand what you're saying, but Goff has showed nothing, whether it be preseason or his debut. These other cats have shown the ability and potential for greatness. Each of the four. Goff hasn't touched what they have done, yet.

 

[Bullflop]

All of the QBs mentioned in the headline are exemplary. Not one of them has made the rookie splash that Dak has, however. Only time will tell which of those four QB will rise to the top, like cream in a bottle. If there's one thing I believe for sure, it's that Dak will be challenging for #1.

 

[Trouty]

All of the QBs mentioned in the headline are exemplary. Not one of them has made the rookie splash that Dak has, however. Only time will tell which of those four QB will rise to the top, like cream in a bottle. If there's one thing I believe for certain it's that Dak will be challenging for #1.

Dak is my number one, hands down, Bullflop, no question. There isn't a single player in the NFL I'd trade him for, and that's with the inner Winston fanboi raging in me

Dak is Tom Brady in the making, but with wheels.

@Bullflop one minor quibble, Winston made a hell of a rookie splash... but you're right, not like our beloved Dak is doing. Just wanted to give (another) shoutout to Jameis. Love the dude like I loved Sean Taylor. He is turning his life around and is great.

But Dak, DAK baby, gtho if you pick anyone over our guy.

 

[Bullflop]

Dak is my number one, hands down, Bullflop, no question. There isn't a single player in the NFL I'd trade him for, and that's with the inner Winston fanboi raging in me

Dak is Tom Brady in the making, but with wheels.

I think you're onto something, there, Trouty! I toned my language down a bit. Didn't want to appear too cocky but the evidence speaks for itself.

 

[Trouty]

I think you're onto something, there, Trouty! I toned my language down a bit. Didn't want to appear too cocky but the evidence speaks for itself.

Never tone it down for our beautiful Dak, Bullflop!! check out my edit, tho, brudda

 

[Bullflop]

Never tone it down for our beautiful Dak, Bullflop!! check out my edit, tho, brudda

I know this much -- if given the chance, I wouldn't want to trade him for any of the others mentioned. His total package is awesome! Combine all of that talent with that impeccable work ethic and you've got one hell of a winner. I see nothing but good things in his future.

 

[Trouty]

I know this much -- if given the chance, I wouldn't want to trade him for any of the others mentioned. His total package is awesome!

There's no question about it. We have a young phenom on our hands, and my heart and trust is fully invested with him. Pats fans rave about this kid. They watched the emergence and development of Brady and they know a new Brady is emerging.

As I said in the previous post, Bullflop, those Cowboy fans that would switch this guy out with any of those great youngins listed in the OP can gtho

 

[Trouty]

@CATCH17 excellent, excellent thread and discussion, man. As always, brother.

 

[CATCH17]

@CATCH17 excellent, excellent thread and discussion, man. As always, brother.

I wish we could do more threads like this. This is like a bar conversation asking who you would take over who.

 

[visionary]

Watch the Jimmy Johnson thread video and listen to what he said about Dak and what he is hearing

No question in my mind that ALL of these guys are talented, what will separate them in the next 5-10 years is the amount of work they put in

Look at the 2 QBs regarded as the best recently, Brady and Peyton. Both regarded as the hardest workers. That will be the true "separator"

It is pretty clear that Dak is doing that
I don't know about the others

 

[visionary]

Dak is good because Dak is good.

Dak would not be nearly as productive to date if not in our situation which is basically the platonic ideal for a young qb. Amazing offensive line? Check. Amazing wide receiver? Check. Amazing running back? Check. Safety valve tight end and slot receiver? Check and check.

Pointing this out isn't an insult to Dak. It's just the an acknowledgment that Dak would certainly be performing worse in Tennessee, Oakland, Philadelphia or Tampa Bay.

Out fanbase is so incredibly self conscious. Between this discussion and the one around our weak schedule it's been sad to see.

I agree that Dak has weapons on offense but he does not have anywhere near the defense that Wentz does. That defense keeps him in games and he does not need to take unnecessary risks.

Also, how do you know that Dak would not be as productive if he were on Philly or Ten or TB?

You are underselling him and have no way of knowing that

 

[JJHLH1]

Dak is clearly #1. He's rewriting the rookie record book for quarterbacks. His jersey was sent to the Hall of Fame after game 5. The team was 1-11 last year without Romo. They are 9-1 with Dak. Jimmy Johnson loves Dak. He said yesterday that intangibles are the most important factor when it comes to quarterbacks, and Dak excels in that aspect. I still can't believe we got him with the 135th pick in the draft.

I just hope he continues his excellent play. The Boys have a very tough game tomorrow against the Commanders.

 

[Trouty]

Dak is clearly #1. He's rewriting the rookie record book for quarterbacks. His jersey was sent to the Hall of Fame after game 5. The team was 1-11 last year without Romo. They are 9-1 with Dak. Jimmy Johnson loves Dak. He said yesterday that intangibles are the most important factor when it comes to quarterbacks, and Dak excels in that aspect. I still can't believe we got him with the 135th pick in the draft.

I just hope he continues his excellent play. The Boys have a very tough game tomorrow against the Commanders.

Preach, JJ! Preach!

 

[hornitosmonster]

Dak, given his draft position and cost over the next couple of years. The team can really build around Dak much like the Seahawks did around Wilson

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I agree that Dak has weapons on offense but he does not have anywhere near the defense that Wentz does. That defense keeps him in games and he does not need to take unnecessary risks.

Also, how do you know that Dak would not be as productive if he were on Philly or Ten or TB?

You are underselling him and have no way of knowing that

I know because offensive units are codependent. While we can never know for sure how Dakw ould do in other systems...we know that almost anywhere but here in Dallas his offensive teammates would be degraded almost across the board. We know he struggles with accuracy under pressure. What if our line wasn't keeping him so clean? What if all the 3rd and shorts were 3rd and long? What if nobody feared the run game because of a lack of line and a lack of a RB like Zeke? What if he didn't have a get out of 3rd down cheat code in Witten and Beasely? I conclude he'd likely perform much worse. If you disagree...cool.

 

[kevm3]

So why didn't 3 different quarterbacks get it done last year? Obviously it's a team game, but to say Dak is winning primarily because of his weapon ignores that 3 other qbs couldn't win more than 1 game. Zeke is a great player, but he's not responsible for 9 wins in and of himself.

Also, I thought the ideal for a rookie was to have a very strong defense, which is what Roethlesberger had as a rookie, which is what Russell Wilson had and which is what Wentz has.

 

[the_h0wey]

What do you have against Derek Carr? He's a legit MVP candidate

 

[CATCH17]

What do you have against Derek Carr? He's a legit MVP candidate

Are you trolling me? lol


I've said it a 100 times in this thread but i'll say it again.




The video is just evaluating Rookie & 2nd year QB's,

Derek Carr has been in the league 3 years. He is disqualified from the conversation because of that.