Prescott, Wentz, Mariota, or Winston: Best young QB to build around?

[bsbellomy]

Trouty, I respect your opinion, but IMO you couldn't be more wrong about Winston. He has one of the tallest/best WR in the game and consistently overthrows and throws behind him. I think I case make a case that he's in the bottom five to ten QB in accuracy. On top of that, can you even make a case that he's more athletic than any of the other three QB's? I can't. I've also been reading an opinion I respect in
@Cianaf and he shares the same views.

 

[the_h0wey]

Are you trolling me? lol


I've said it a 100 times in this thread but i'll say it again.




The video is just evaluating Rookie & 2nd year QB's,

Derek Carr has been in the league 3 years. He is disqualified from the conversation because of that.

Maybe

 

[xwalker]

The narrative around Dak is already getting cemented: He's only good because of the offensive pieces around him. Get ready to hear this ad nauseum: "If Wentz, Mariota, whoever etc... had what Dak has then they'd all be putting up better numbers than Prescott."

But I digress... you can build around any of those guys. They're all franchise QBs for the next 10 years. I put Dak at the top due to the intangibles of his leadership and character. He handles himself well on and off the field and has already established a reputation as a guy whose preparation is on par with Brady. From a pure athletic/physical standpoint-- Wentz looks like the real deal, and Mariota would be right there as well, both rated slightly higher than Dak in terms of measurables. Winston would be last for me.

Aikman was a QB that needed a good group around him. He was not a improvising type QB.

If you had marginal talent on offense you would want Farve over Aikman but if you had good surrounding talent you would want Aikman.

 

[visionary]

I know because offensive units are codependent. While we can never know for sure how Dakw ould do in other systems...we know that almost anywhere but here in Dallas his offensive teammates would be degraded almost across the board. We know he struggles with accuracy under pressure. What if our line wasn't keeping him so clean? What if all the 3rd and shorts were 3rd and long? What if nobody feared the run game because of a lack of line and a lack of a RB like Zeke? What if he didn't have a get out of 3rd down cheat code in Witten and Beasely? I conclude he'd likely perform much worse. If you disagree...cool.

There are multiple times where he stands and delivers even though he is about to be hit. Baltimore stopped the run game but he kept delivering. He had converted but one but multiple 3rd and longs

I am not saying he is a great QB
IMO all these QBs should be judged at the end of year 2 before we can really know how good it bad they are but to say that he has to have these great offensive personnel to be successful is not correct

 

[Trouty]

Trouty, I respect your opinion, but IMO you couldn't be more wrong about Winston. He has one of the tallest/best WR in the game and consistently overthrows and throws behind him. I think I case make a case that he's in the bottom five to ten QB in accuracy. On top of that, can you even make a case that he's more athletic than any of the other three QB's? I can't. I've also been reading an opinion I respect in
@Cianaf and he shares the same views.

Bellomy with respect to you, you are way off. Bottom ten is way, way, off, I don't know who Cianaf is, but he wouldn't be the first to discredit the great Jameis. And if he is saying what you said (and again, with respect to you as poster here), you need to stop following him.

His accuracy is on target with Peyton's (actually .7% higher) through his first season and a half. He diagnoses defenses at the line, takes snaps under center, 3-5-7 step drop backs, looks off safeties, multiple read outlets, is a student of the game, is a TRUE leader of men, makes his whole team feel involved -- from the gunner on special teams to the practice squad CB -- day in and day out. First one in, last one out.

All the while a 22 year old. This kid is a phenom. His intangibles are off the charts. Off the damn charts. His adversity affected him much like Dak's affected Dak (of course, to be fair to our phenom, Winston's were self-imposed, mostly, while Dak's were a circumstance of occurrences outside of his control, our poor Dak).

Let's have an open mind while discussing Jameis.

 

[ghst187]

1) Wentz
2) Prescott
3) Carr
4) Mariota
End list
Winston turns the ball over a lot and I think he may have success on the field but he's an idiot and will eventually do something dumb off of it.

 

[Trouty]

1) Wentz
2) Prescott
3) Carr
4) Mariota
End list
Winston turns the ball over a lot and I think he may have success on the field but he's an idiot and will eventually do something dumb off of it.

LOL

Dat Cowboy bubble, doe.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

There are multiple times where he stands and delivers even though he is about to be hit. Baltimore stopped the run game but he kept delivering. He had converted but one but multiple 3rd and longs

I am not saying he is a great QB
IMO all these QBs should be judged at the end of year 2 before we can really know how good it bad they are but to say that he has to have these great offensive personnel to be successful is not correct

To be clear I never said he had to have great offensive personnel to be successful...but to ignore that he has great personnel where those other guys don't have the same situation is disingenuous.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see each one of these guys as having bright futures in the NFL I will just say it is great that one of them plays in Dallas.

 

[Bullflop]

There are multiple times where he stands and delivers even though he is about to be hit. Baltimore stopped the run game but he kept delivering. He had converted but one but multiple 3rd and longs

I am not saying he is a great QB
IMO all these QBs should be judged at the end of year 2 before we can really know how good it bad they are but to say that he has to have these great offensive personnel to be successful is not correct

Good post -- some tend to forget that Dak had a pathetic OL in front of him at Mississippi State and still managed to win despite it.

 

[visionary]

To be clear I never said he had to have great offensive personnel to be successful...but to ignore that he has great personnel where those other guys don't have the same situation is disingenuous.

In that case I would recommend reading your posts before hitting 'submit'

 

[Prossman]

Dak intangibles as in leadership are second to none. He is number one by far in my book.

 

[kevm3]

The scary thing is that Dak's been performing this way without Dez really getting involved. Dez has either been out or him and Dak haven't had much chemisty together. The baltimore game shows them finally starting to gel. I'd love to see what happens when they really start gelling.

 

[mattjames2010]

Wentz hasn't proven he can pass more than 5 yards down field yet. I'll wait until he competes with the other NFL QBs in that category before giving any props. David Carr had a 73% completion rated and was cut by the Texans, and he was a hell of a lot more athletic than Wentz. Dink and dunk gets you and the coaching staff fired, and that's where he is at now.

Yes, yes he has.

 

[zeke21]

It's amazing that all those QB's we trotted out last year didn't go 9-1 with basically the same talent around them.

This argument has been posted a lot.. and kinda isn't true. McFadden went for 1000 yards last season but lets get real here.. he is NOWHERE near the back that Zeke is. Zeke is a true phenom and is probably going to break every rushing record in sight if he stays healthy. McFadden was a draft bust that still managed to go over 1K behind this line with dodgy knees and injury.. if anything that highlights how dominate our OLine is.

Also the QB's last year actually put up some really good numbers in offence on multiple occasions.. only for our defence to leak and give up game winning drive after game winning drive.. either in the last 2 minutes or in OT.

Our D has improved out of sight in their on field performance this year. Yes it helps that Zeke has managed to pick up on the 3rd and shorts that McFadden often missed last season.. so that helps the D stay off the field. However marinelli seems to have finally got this D playing together and they have improved by almost 10pts on 'points conceded' per game.

Had our D kept oppenents to 23pts or less last season.. we would have made play offs even with Cassell starting.

So in summary:
2015 QB's had no Dez, no Zeke, no defence in comparison to Dak.

I'm not suggesting Dak is bad (he is VERY good) but lets just be real here.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Good post -- some tend to forget that Dak had a pathetic OL in front of him at Mississippi State and still managed to win despite it.

If Dak were in Philly, I think there's a good chance he would be more successful than Wentz in that offense. Dak was used to playing with less talented personnel at Miss State. Wentz''s college teams were generally more talented than their opponents unless they played an FBS opponent.

 

[kevm3]

The reason the defense is playing significantly better is because they are on the field significantly less and they actually feel like they can win games. The defense had MORE talent last year. Rolondo McClain was out there, as was Greg Hardy. Dak doesn't 3 and out nearly as much and he knows how to sustain offensive drives. The only real difference from last year to this is Zeke.

 

[zeke21]

The reason the defense is playing significantly better is because they are on the field significantly less and they actually feel like they can win games. The defense had MORE talent last year. Rolondo McClain was out there, as was Greg Hardy. Dak doesn't 3 and out nearly as much and he knows how to sustain offensive drives. The only real difference from last year to this is Zeke.

As I stated in my post.. one of the best things Zeke does is grind out those 3 and shorts.. OR if they load the box to stop the run.. then Dak has been able to find a wide open Beasley on a slant or Witten on the hitch. It is immeasurable what a difference that makes.. and it doesn't hurt also having Dez being double covered on the deep threat.. pushing the safety back beyond the line of gain.

Sorry but any comparison between this offence and the one in 2015 is unfair.. comparing to 2014 would be a lot better.. with Zeke still better than Murray but at least the passing elements were similar.

The defense may have had more talent last year.. but they certainly didn't play as well as a unit.

This also comes back to the basic understand of how little separates most NFL teams. Other than some really bad teams (hello Browns) there is a large group of teams that are capable of winning on any given Sunday. Last year was a walking nightmare but if the D holds on 2 or 3 occasions.. then we probably make playoffs. That is how close we were.

Same this year.. we have found a way to win and that makes us all happy.. but there have been a couple of games that have been 'lucky' rather than dominate. Every team needs those lucky games to go their way and this year it has. Our team is good and we are yet to see how great it can be but to say that it is purely down to the play of our Rookie QB seems premature. Dak is playing at an unbelievably high level.. but thrown Winston in there tomorrow and I reckon he would go ok too.. ditto Wentz and Mariota.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

In that case I would recommend reading your posts before hitting 'submit'

Irony.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

The narrative around Dak is already getting cemented: He's only good because of the offensive pieces around him. Get ready to hear this ad nauseum: "If Wentz, Mariota, whoever etc... had what Dak has then they'd all be putting up better numbers than Prescott."

But I digress... you can build around any of those guys. They're all franchise QBs for the next 10 years. I put Dak at the top due to the intangibles of his leadership and character. He handles himself well on and off the field and has already established a reputation as a guy whose preparation is on par with Brady. From a pure athletic/physical standpoint-- Wentz looks like the real deal, and Mariota would be right there as well, both rated slightly higher than Dak in terms of measurables. Winston would be last for me.

Totally agree. I haven't watched much of Winston but when I do, I leave unimpressed.