Preseason record doesn't mean anything..

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This is an article from 8/28/07.....still holds true today.

Preseason record doesn't reflect regular-season success
By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com



The third weekend of the preseason is hyped as the week we all get a great glimpse of what teams will really look like when the regular season rolls around. The starters are supposed to play at least a half of the game and possibly the first series of the third quarter. Do yourself a big favor, though: Don't read too much into the final score.

Settling roster spots and position battles take precedence over wins and losses this time of year. For example, Oakland continues its quarterback rotation and this week Daunte Culpepper gets the start after Josh McCown started the first game and Andrew Walter went first last week. Every coach likes to win, but there is very little research to support the idea that preseason football is a time to "teach" winning. The numbers say something quite different, in fact. I'm sure the fans in Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and Dallas are excited by the 2-0 start and the possibility of a 4-0 preseason record, but don't make those Super Bowl plans just yet; an undefeated preseason does not equate to a successful regular season.

Last year was a perfect case in point. Not one division winner had a winning record in the preseason.

New England Patriots 2-2
Baltimore Ravens 2-2
Indianapolis Colts 1-3
San Diego Chargers 2-2
Philadelphia Eagles 2-3
Chicago Bears 2-2
New Orleans Saints 1-3
Seattle Seahawks 2-2

If you go back and look at the division winners over the last three years, it's clear that winning in preseason isn't very significant. There have been 24 division winners in three years and the number of those teams that had a winning record in the preseason: 4.

Lets take it a step further and look at the significance of an undefeated preseason. Carolina, Cincinnati and the New York Giants all posted 4-0 preseason records last summer, leading to heightened expectations from fans and media alike. Lots of people proclaimed the Panthers were headed to the Super Bowl, the Bengals could outscore any team in the NFL and the Giants were building a dynasty. All three teams finished 8-8.

Since 2003, nine teams wrapped up the August schedule 4-0 and only four of them produced winning record in the fall.

The Colts have won four straight AFC South titles and, of course, are the reigning world champions. Their preseason record during that four-year run is 5-12. In other words, nobody should be alarmed that they are 0-2 right now. The Eagles have won the NFC East three of the last four years; during those championship seasons, they managed to deliver a combined 4-9 summer record. The Panthers have gone undefeated in the preseason in three of the last four years. A perfect 12-0 and only once in those three years (2003) did it translate into a division title. The only year they didn't go undefeated in the dress rehearsal season was 2005 when they finished at 2-2. And they made the playoffs that year as a wild card.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade of those teams on their way to a winning preseason. But when I hear people say that young coach got his first win the other night or "he teaches his team how to win" or "that kind of effort is going to change the culture in the locker room," I must send up the yellow caution flag. I was with the Jets one year when we went 5-0 in the preseason and a few months later we were all looking around wondering how we went 6-10 during the real season.

Enjoy the third weekend of preseason football but don't draw any conclusions about the regular season from what you see on the scoreboard. Did the Saints' 1-3 record last summer leave anyone thinking they would be the story of the year in the NFL?
 

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But...but...our defense sucked!!! And Romo threw a pick!! And Felix Jones is worse than Julius!!! We are going to suck!!!

It's simply amazing how pathetically stupid people worrying about preseason look when actual facts are presented. I'd venture to guess the majority of those whining about preseason have never played football and dont realize what it's like to play in meaningless games.
 

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HeavyHitta31;2207939 said:
But...but...our defense sucked!!! And Romo threw a pick!! And Felix Jones is worse than Julius!!! We are going to suck!!!

It's simply amazing how pathetically stupid people worrying about preseason look when actual facts are presented. I'd venture to guess the majority of those whining about preseason have never played football and dont realize what it's like to play in meaningless games.

Have you ever played football?? LOL :lmao2:

I question some of you guys thinking you know everything.

Ive played football through all the way up till i got out of highschool and i always was into every game competing because thats just me a competitor.. even in meaningless street hockey games when i play with friends im playing like im actually in the NHL. While some players are bored with some meaningless games there is some guys who love to compete no matter the stage or meaning of the game being played.

So how could tell me what i feel when ive played meaningless games of football???

O but im sorry you know it all :lmao2:
 

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Real1st;2207945 said:
Have you ever played football?? LOL :lmao2:

I question some of you guys thinking you know everything.

Ive played football through all the way up till highschool and i always was into every game competing because thats just me a competitor.. even in meaningless street hockey games when i play with friends im playing like im actually in the NHL. While some players are bored with some meaningless games there is some guys who love to compete no matter the stage or meaning of the game being played.

So how could tell me what i feel when ive played meaningless games of football???

O but im sorry you know it all :lmao2:

While Romo was in there, we were on pace for over 500 yards of offense.

Defense is always tougher in the pre-season because the coaches on the other side occasionally try things in situations that they normally wouldn't.

Heck, pre-season really isn't worth watching EXCEPT if you are rotting for a longshot to make the team....that's about it.

It always cracks me up when guys get all worried about what the season is going to be like due to the pre-season.
 

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HeavyHitta31;2207953 said:
I rest my case

I rest my case? What does that mean?

Well lets see what are you doing?

O yea thats right on a football message board discussing football with me.


I rest my case.. i can pull the same **** too..

Nice way to get out of a discussion because you have nothing to say:lmao2:
 

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Jimz31;2207951 said:
While Romo was in there, we were on pace for over 500 yards of offense.

Defense is always tougher in the pre-season because the coaches on the other side occasionally try things in situations that they normally wouldn't.

Heck, pre-season really isn't worth watching EXCEPT if you are rotting for a longshot to make the team....that's about it.

It always cracks me up when guys get all worried about what the season is going to be like due to the pre-season.

Even when the offense was dicing the Texans' defense, anyone else get a vibe that they were going through the motions? Romo looked more like he does at training camp than during a game.

My point? To counter the post a few posts above, you can tell these games only mean so much from a win-loss standpoint. I think for multi-million dollar athletes, the objective is simple -- execute and get out. And as for the backups, all they're worried about is showing something to make the team. You really think a guy like Amendola cares that much whether, say, Mike Jefferson makes a clutch catch to win the game? Probably not at this point.

But that doesn't mean concerns don't emerge. Tonight we were very penalty free and crisp (minus the Romo INT) on the first-team offense. Job well done there, as well as the special teams (minus the horrid coverage early on). The defense remains an enigma, which is concerning as well.
 

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RainMan;2207956 said:
But that doesn't mean concerns don't emerge. Tonight we were very penalty free and crisp (minus the Romo INT) on the first-team offense. Job well done there, as well as the special teams (minus the horrid coverage early on). The defense remains an enigma, which is concerning as well.

Penalties can vary wildly from game to game anyway, and you can't make useful assumptions about how an 80 player team's penalties will compare to those from a 53 man roster.

It's also a mistake to worry about performance on an entire side of the ball. Worry about single player performance if you need to, and listen to what the coaches have to say about how we did relative to what we were trying to accomplish. Otherwise, just sit tight and don't get sucked in. There are too many variables at work, and we just don't know what all of them are this time of year.
 

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Real1st;2207954 said:
I rest my case? What does that mean?

Well lets see what are you doing?

O yea thats right on a football message board discussing football with me.


I rest my case.. i can pull the same **** too..

Nice way to get out of a discussion because you have nothing to say:lmao2:

A wise man once said "never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience"...
 

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Real1st;2207954 said:
I rest my case? What does that mean?

Well lets see what are you doing?

O yea thats right on a football message board discussing football with me.


I rest my case.. i can pull the same **** too..

Nice way to get out of a discussion because you have nothing to say:lmao2:
Yea, but can you explain the 30 yard slant?
 

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Real1st;2207954 said:
I rest my case? What does that mean?

Well lets see what are you doing?

O yea thats right on a football message board discussing football with me.


I rest my case.. i can pull the same **** too..

Nice way to get out of a discussion because you have nothing to say:lmao2:

Someone who stopped playing football after 8th grade has no business discussing the mindset of players in meaningless games. The only games you ever played in were meaningless.
 

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I don't recall anyone ever making any comments - positive or negative - about our preseason record.



Comments on how horrible or great the team (or specific players) have looked at times, sure, but never anything about our preseason record.
 

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In the past 4 years the colts are 3-13 in the preseason.

IN the last 3 years the colts are 39-9 in the regular season, with a championship.

Thanks to babe laufenberg for that last night.

oh and in case you are wondering laufenberg has put no stock into anything he has seen this preseason for the most part. So until I hear guys like him say something is worrisome I am not worried.

Now everyone knows the special teams are a mess. I just hope it doesnt cost us a game or more.
 

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theebs;2208316 said:
In the past 4 years the colts are 3-13 in the preseason.

IN the last 3 years the colts are 39-9 in the regular season, with a championship.

Thanks to babe laufenberg for that last night.

oh and in case you are wondering laufenberg has put no stock into anything he has seen this preseason for the most part. So until I hear guys like him say something is worrisome I am not worried.

Now everyone knows the special teams are a mess. I just hope it doesnt cost us a game or more.

Agreed with everything except the bolded part.

Using Laughingberg's opinion as a barometer for ANYTHING is not good.
 

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Rack;2208320 said:
Agreed with everything except the bolded part.

Using Laughingberg's opinion as a barometer for ANYTHING is not good.

Well, he did actually play in the NFL, which makes him more qualified to judge the mindset of players' in preseason than any of us
 

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So our special teams are great and this has all been an illusion? Good to know.
 

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bbgun;2208325 said:
So our special teams are great and this has all been an illusion? Good to know.

Let me think....there are guys on Special teams that WON'T EVEN BE ON THE TEAM....so yeah, it's not as bad as you think. How hard is this to understand? There are guys running down the field that probably won't even be on a practice squad for ANY team.....
 

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Jimz31;2208395 said:
Let me think....there are guys on Special teams that WON'T EVEN BE ON THE TEAM....so yeah, it's not as bad as you think. How hard is this to understand? There are guys running down the field that probably won't even be on a practice squad for ANY team.....

1. It's not a new problem (see playoff game last year).
2. Old problem clearly not fixed.
3. No good reason why soon-to-be-ex-Cowboys can't be coached up. Other teams' backups don't look nearly as horrid.
 

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HeavyHitta31;2208309 said:
Someone who stopped playing football after 8th grade has no business discussing the mindset of players in meaningless games. The only games you ever played in were meaningless.

But the question is ...

What makes you so qualified to discuss a players mindset?

Im just wondering because you are being real ignorant right now.
 

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Real1st;2208549 said:
But the question is ...

What makes you so qualified to discuss a players mindset?


Im just wondering because you are being real ignorant right now.

Don't you think your acting the same way by arguing with him?
 
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