Pretending I Am the GM

[Hostile]

bbgun's mother then later retracted that statement.

So...

You're back to square one with that comment.

Actually her name was Kelly Burgess and she seriously called me that. One time shouting it at the Mall. Embarrassed the hell out of me to tell the truth. That was back when I was playing and was working out a lot.

 

[bbgun]

bbgun's mother then later retracted that statement.

So...

You're back to square one with that comment.

He and ma are only miles apart in Tucson. If he wants her, dad won't put up much of a fight. He might even drop her off.

 

[Hostile]

He and ma are only miles apart in Tucson. If he wants her, dad won't put up much of a fight. He might even drop her off.

Your Dad knows me and Ma are strictly platonic friends who share a common interest in driving you batty. He approves.

 

[CF74]

Everyone thinks we can't run the ball, but we can. Our problem is that our coaching staff and players aren't patient. If we don't start out running the ball well, we seem to abandon it. Even when we had Emmitt in his prime, we didn't always run effectively in the first quarter or even the first half. The difference is we didn't give up on it. We kept running the ball and eventually we wore down the opposing defense. We're looking too much to the home run ball/quick strike now, when the fact is, if you continue running the ball the big plays open up because the defense has to key on the run.

You got it right, now go tell Garrett cause it's his deal. Wade "Doesn't even look at the O."

 

[landryscorner]

Marion Barber does. BIGG does. Flo when healthy does. Gurode does.

Who the WRs are is irrelevant to pounding the football.

WRONG who the WR's are is Very important to POUNDING the football...

you need strong receivers to block for the RB's when he gets past the line of scrimmage.

You need fearful receivers to take some heat off the line of scrimmage

You need receivers that draw attention to once again take away some heat from the line of scrimmage..

Gurode's overrated, anyone that agrees that he should be in the pro bowl just didn't notice all year how he was unable to help the OL guide their way through blitzes...

Flozell showed how slow he really is when put up against good OLB's...teams are figuring out he is massive and when mass goes up against mass you can't get past him, but put a strong OLB with speed against him, and FLO is left crying on the ground, or worst he commits False Starts to these speedy OLB's

 

[Hostile]

WRONG who the WR's are is Very important to POUNDING the football...

you need strong receivers to block for the RB's when he gets past the line of scrimmage.

You need fearful receivers to take some heat off the line of scrimmage

You need receivers that draw attention to once again take away some heat from the line of scrimmage..

Gurode's overrated, anyone that agrees that he should be in the pro bowl just didn't notice all year how he was unable to help the OL guide their way through blitzes...

Flozell showed how slow he really is when put up against good OLB's...teams are figuring out he is massive and when mass goes up against mass you can't get past him, but put a strong OLB with speed against him, and FLO is left crying on the ground, or worst he commits False Starts to these speedy OLB's

When John Riggins was running over people in the Commanders power running attack can you tell me which of the WRs called "the Smurfs" were noted downfield blockers?

When Earl Campbell was running over defenders and leaving bodies in his wake, who was the blocker at WR? Ken Burroughs or Billy White Shoes Johnson?

When Larry Csonka was leading the charge for the Miami Dolphins which WR was blocking downfield? Paul Warfield or Marlin Briscoe?

 

[JordanTaber]

Actually, it's good advice. I've forgotten more about this game than you will ever know, and I haven't forgotten much.

I've seen your type before a dozen times with countless players. You worship at the Church of TO, and anything anyone says negative about him is going to wad up your undies. You will ignore what anyone says negative about him if it comes form a player, coach, media member, or fan. They all know nothing and you're church of TO is the gospel truth.

Let me explain to you just how much your opinions on football mean to me. We can demonstrate this with an easy experiment. Fill a bucket up with water and stick your hand in it. Now pull your hand out and look back at the water. The hole left in the water is how much your opinions on football impress me.

Kill me? Kid you couldn't even raise a welt if you swung a bat.

This is one of the most hackneyed deflection techniques in the book. "Your opinion doesn't matter to me, therefore I'm not going to bother." Your opponent challenges you to actually defend your statement, and since you can't do it, you resort to personal slights in an effort to downplay the significance of the debate itself.

Let us not forget, you did the exact same thing to 5countem5. The fact that at least two people have now challenged you to support your statement and you have yet to provide anything even remotely resembling an "argument" would lead the unbiased observer to conclude that you really don't know what you're talking about. Hence, your opinion is irrelevant.

Besides, your statement "the more he talks, the more we're going to lose" can be proven false with facts.

T.O. got media heat for "talking" after the first Commanders game. The Cowboys went on to win the next game against the Bengals.

T.O, again got media heat for "talking" after the second Commanders game. The Cowboys went on to blow out both the 49ers and Seahawks in the following two weeks.

T.O. got media heat for the Werder BS story (didn't have much to do with him talking...the only talking he did was to deny the report and trying to diffuse it as much as possible). They went on to beat the New York Giants on Sunday Night.

We can take it back further than that.

Owens got heat in San Francisco during 2001 for complaints after losing to the Bears. The 49ers went on to beat the Lions next week (and went on a 5 game winning streak).

He got heat in 2002 for saying the team "lacked killer instinct" (this is how ridiculous the criticisms get) when discussing a controversial kneel down after a victory over the Commanders. The 49ers went on to BLOW OUT (hmmm...you have to wonder) the Rams the next week, and win the week after that as well over the Seahawks.

He got in more media trouble for his talking after the Vikings game in 2003. The 49ers won the following week over Detroit.



Seems to me, based on the evidence, it might be the other way around, if anything.

My personal belief, though (and 5countem5's as well) is that it's irrelevant. As someone else in this thread astutely pointed out, the talking/venting frustration/whatever is a "symptom," not the disease itself. Losing is the disease that causes these reactions. The problem with the Cowboys isn't the reaction of the players after they've played poorly and lost (well, maybe it is if they show they just don't care about it...but that's obviously not the issue with Owens), it's the fact that they perform poorly and lose games in the first place.

For whatever reason, internet football fans and media alike seem to think that it's much worse to show frustration after losing a game than it is to lose a game itself.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

This is one of the most hackneyed deflection techniques in the book. "Your opinion doesn't matter to me, therefore I'm not going to bother." Your opponent challenges you to actually defend your statement, and since you can't do it, you resort to personal slights in an effort to downplay the significance of the debate itself.

Let us not forget, you did the exact same thing to 5countem5. The fact that at least two people have now challenged you to support your statement and you have yet to provide anything even remotely resembling an "argument" would lead the unbiased observer to conclude that you really don't know what you're talking about. Hence, your opinion is irrelevant.

Besides, your statement "the more he talks, the more we're going to lose" can be proven false with facts.

T.O. got media heat for "talking" after the first Commanders game. The Cowboys went on to win the next game against the Bengals.

T.O, again got media heat for "talking" after the second Commanders game. The Cowboys went on to blow out both the 49ers and Seahawks in the following two weeks.

T.O. got media heat for the Werder BS story (didn't have much to do with him talking...the only talking he did was to deny the report and trying to diffuse it as much as possible). They went on to beat the New York Giants on Sunday Night.

We can take it back further than that.

Owens got heat in San Francisco during 2001 for complaints after losing to the Bears. The 49ers went on to beat the Lions next week (and went on a 5 game winning streak).

He got heat in 2002 for saying the team "lacked killer instinct" (this is how ridiculous the criticisms get) when discussing a controversial kneel down after a victory over the Commanders. The 49ers went on to BLOW OUT (hmmm...you have to wonder) the Rams the next week, and win the week after that as well over the Seahawks.

He got in more media trouble for his talking after the Vikings game in 2003. The 49ers won the following week over Detroit.



Seems to me, based on the evidence, it might be the other way around, if anything.

My personal belief, though (and 5countem5's as well) is that it's irrelevant. As someone else in this thread astutely pointed out, the talking/venting frustration/whatever is a "symptom," not the disease itself. Losing is the disease that causes these reactions. The problem with the Cowboys isn't the reaction of the players after they've played poorly and lost (well, maybe it is if they show they just don't care about it...but that's obviously not the issue with Owens), it's the fact that they perform poorly and lose games in the first place.

For whatever reason, internet football fans and media alike seem to think that it's much worse to show frustration after losing a game than it is to lose a game itself.

545 posts and still nothing but defending owens.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

This is one of the most hackneyed deflection techniques in the book. "Your opinion doesn't matter to me, therefore I'm not going to bother." Your opponent challenges you to actually defend your statement, and since you can't do it, you resort to personal slights in an effort to downplay the significance of the debate itself.

Let us not forget, you did the exact same thing to 5countem5. The fact that at least two people have now challenged you to support your statement and you have yet to provide anything even remotely resembling an "argument" would lead the unbiased observer to conclude that you really don't know what you're talking about. Hence, your opinion is irrelevant.

Besides, your statement "the more he talks, the more we're going to lose" can be proven false with facts.

T.O. got media heat for "talking" after the first Commanders game. The Cowboys went on to win the next game against the Bengals.

T.O, again got media heat for "talking" after the second Commanders game. The Cowboys went on to blow out both the 49ers and Seahawks in the following two weeks.

T.O. got media heat for the Werder BS story (didn't have much to do with him talking...the only talking he did was to deny the report and trying to diffuse it as much as possible). They went on to beat the New York Giants on Sunday Night.

In my opinion, you're overlooking the bigger picture, which can be expressed quite succinctly:

Before Owens started opening his mouth to the media, the Cowboys were 3-1.

After Owens started opening his mouth to the media, the Cowboys were 6-6.

 

[5Countem5]

In my opinion, you're overlooking the bigger picture, which can be expressed quite succinctly:

Before Owens started opening his mouth to the media, the Cowboys were 3-1.

After Owens started opening his mouth to the media, the Cowboys were 6-6.

Are you saying Owens was responsible for those losses because of his "talk"? That team would have done better without the Deion interview?

 

[JordanTaber]

In my opinion, you're overlooking the bigger picture, which can be expressed quite succinctly:

Before Owens started opening his mouth to the media, the Cowboys were 3-1.

After Owens started opening his mouth to the media, the Cowboys were 6-6.

That doesn't work unless you think that comments from several weeks prior are still roaming around the locker room as distractions after the team just won.

Hell, after they beat the Giants, the Werder story on ESPN died so fast it was unbelievable.

 

[bbgun]

545 posts and still nothing but defending owens.

For some reason, we're supposed to be impressed that he and 5countem5 are simpatico on the issue of Owens. One can't say anything bad about TO, and the other can't find any flaws with the team. They're like the "Ralph and Potsie" of CowboysZone.

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[ScipioCowboy]

That doesn't work unless you think that comments from several weeks prior are still roaming around the locker room as distractions after the team just won.

Hell, after they beat the Giants, the Werder story on ESPN died so fast it was unbelievable.

The effects of those comments were still very much lingering...especially when TO refuses to be silent.

 

[Rampage]

That doesn't work unless you think that comments from several weeks prior are still roaming around the locker room as distractions after the team just won.

Hell, after they beat the Giants, the Werder story on ESPN died so fast it was unbelievable.

why do you choose to talk about a man so much? what is it about him that makes you want to come on here everyday and write pages defending him?

 

[bbgun]

why do you choose to talk about a man so much? what is it about him that makes you want to come on here everyday and write pages defending him?

Good question. Is anyone here a psychologist?

 

[5Countem5]

For some reason, we're supposed to be impressed that he and 5countem5 are simpatico on the issue of Owens. One can't say anything bad about TO, and the other can't find any flaws with the team. They're like the "Ralph and Potsie" of CowboysZone.

Is this where I'm supposed to respond with a pic accusing you of being the "Beaver" or some such idiocy?

I try to keep up but it's been a long time since I was in junior high.

 

[bbgun]

Is this where I'm supposed to respond with a pic accusing you of being the "Beaver" or some such idiocy?

I try to keep up but it's been a long time since I was in junior high.

Thanks, but I prefer "Lumpy."

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Jordan Taber's views, I discount. Jordan is a "TO" fan. He isn't a Cowboys fan. If TO were to be cut and to spend 2008 with the Seahawks, Jordan would post on Seahawks message boards. This isn't meant to incite. It's simply accurate. Jordan Taber is a TO sycophant, for whatever reason. I can't speculate without seeming mean-spirited.

As for the Cowboys fans involved in the discussion, it really comes down to what one chooses to think. There are those who believe virtually every media person, every former player, every former coach, every water witch, every soothsayer, every gypsy quoted anywhere has an agenda. They all have a reason to knock Terrell Owens, and none of them have a clue.

There are others who think such a notion is ridiculous. There are those who get a bit weary of hearing how clueless and stupid are Gallwerdergosselincurrankingjenmacjjtetceraetcetera. There are those who recall that among all of us -- all of us -- those folks are alone in actually being in the locker room, observing the dynamic, and talking to players are coaches. They have a unique perspective, but we have... the Internet and our opinions. Oh... inside sources. Some of us have inside sources. Maybe.

 

[JordanTaber]

The effects of those comments were still very much lingering...especially when TO refuses to be silent.

What effects are those?

 

[JordanTaber]

Jordan Taber's views, I discount. Jordan is a "TO" fan. He isn't a Cowboys fan. If TO were to be cut and to spend 2008 with the Seahawks, Jordan would post on Seahawks message boards. This isn't meant to incite. It's simply accurate. Jordan Taber is a TO sycophant, for whatever reason. I can't speculate without seeming mean-spirited.

As for the Cowboys fans involved in the discussion, it really comes down to what one chooses to think. There are those who believe virtually every media person, every former player, every former coach, every water witch, every soothsayer, every gypsy quoted anywhere has an agenda. They all have a reason to knock Terrell Owens, and none of them have a clue.

There are others who think such a notion is ridiculous. There are those who get a bit weary of hearing how clueless and stupid are Gallwerdergosselincurrankingjenmacjjtetceraetcetera. There are those who recall that among all of us -- all of us -- those folks are alone in actually being in the locker room, observing the dynamic, and talking to players are coaches. They have a unique perspective, but we have... the Internet and our opinions. Oh... inside sources. Some of us have inside sources. Maybe.

Oh gee, that's not framing or anything.

If you can't actually argue your side, might as well resort to the straw man fallacy and try to destroy the credibility of your superiors.