QBs. Its all in the evaluation

[Verdict]

Who we take at 4 will depend on our evaluation of the quality of player available. If the BIG 3 are evaluated by our staff to be worth the 15th pick, or lower, a player like that would be available to us in the draft, every year, in a trade up, even if we won the super bowl the year before. Granted we wouldn't have the privilege of drafting a player worth the #15 or lower pick, at #4 overall, but a player at that skill set would be available to us in every draft so long as we have a first round and second round pick.

So if Garrett and the Boys see the QBs to be worth #15 or lower, they likely won't pick one at #4. They will either go in a different direction, or trade back and take the QB at closer to his slotted value, or wait until later in the draft to get one. I think if they see the next Romo, Brees, Brady, Manning, or Ruthlessraper to be sitting there at #4, then they will probably pull the trigger. The Cowboys have been above average drafters in the Garrett regime, they just haven't done as good of a job coaching that talent when it gets on the field.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Of course it is.

Here is some old evaluations of QBs when they were coming out...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html

The above link is for Aaron Rodgers...Some are saying he is just another Tedford QB Clone, Some saying Smith is superior, One saying no QB in that draft class is worthy of a first round grade and so on.

 

[reddyuta]

If our scouts are sure we have the next Brady?. Brady went in the 6th rd and nobody thought much of a college backup.this is all about PROJECTION and a bit of luck.

 

[gimmesix]

Of course it is.

Here is some old evaluations of QBs when they were coming out...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html

The above link is for Aaron Rodgers...Some are saying he is just another Tedford QB Clone, Some saying Smith is superior, One saying no QB in that draft class is worthy of a first round grade and so on.

It'll be interesting to see if Dallas' scouts believe any of these QBs are worth taking at No. 4 and if they are proven correct one way or the other. If they miss out on the next Aaron Rodgers, the only way they will be able to live that down is if Romo stays healthy for several years and they find the next next Rodgers when the time comes to replace him.

 

[MrPhil]

Of course it is.

Here is some old evaluations of QBs when they were coming out...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html

The above link is for Aaron Rodgers...Some are saying he is just another Tedford QB Clone, Some saying Smith is superior, One saying no QB in that draft class is worthy of a first round grade and so on.

This is why I laugh at people who seem totally convinced that the QBs this year are garbage but the defensive player they covet is a lock to be a stud. Its all a gigantic crap shoot.

 

[texbumthelife]

This is why I laugh at people who seem totally convinced that the QBs this year are garbage but the defensive player they covet is a lock to be a stud. Its all a gigantic crap shoot.

I don't think anyone is a lock. However, I like the fact that with just about any position but QB, you're going to know in a season or two if you got a player. With a QB, you may not even see him play for two seasons. This isn't an argument for or against, just explaining one of the biggest plus's of drafting a defensive guy like you said.

 

[IrishAnto]

Of course it is.

Here is some old evaluations of QBs when they were coming out...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html

The above link is for Aaron Rodgers...Some are saying he is just another Tedford QB Clone, Some saying Smith is superior, One saying no QB in that draft class is worthy of a first round grade and so on.

Like Love, it’s all in the eye of the beholder.

 

[DFWJC]

If our scouts are sure we have the next Brady?. Brady went in the 6th rd and nobody thought much of a college backup.this is all about PROJECTION and a bit of luck.

No doubt that luck and proper projection are both key to some degree.

just some trivia though, red: Brady was the starter at Michigan for every game during Jr and Sr seasons and set completion and attempt records his Jr year. But I hear you...their coach did play Drew Henson a lot (not as a starter) in Brady's senior year. He was never the backup those two years though.

 

[sureletsrace]

Just as important as evaluation and a player's ability is what the team does with that player over the course of his first 3 years.

You can draft the best QB prospect available in years, but if you are incompetent at developing him, he'll bust regardless.

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course it is.

Here is some old evaluations of QBs when they were coming out...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html

The above link is for Aaron Rodgers...Some are saying he is just another Tedford QB Clone, Some saying Smith is superior, One saying no QB in that draft class is worthy of a first round grade and so on.

That was a fun read. I will say the fact that Rodgers was drafted by a team with a starting QB in place and very good talent outside of QB had to be a big help to him. Many of the top QB selected high in the draft go to teams who lack much talent to put around the QB and start day 1 even when you know they are not ready for what they are about to face.

 

[CATCH17]

If our scouts are sure we have the next Brady?. Brady went in the 6th rd and nobody thought much of a college backup.this is all about PROJECTION and a bit of luck.

Which is why I don't see how people think Goff projects better than Wentz.

Goffs college competition will have nothing to do with why he would be better than Wentz.

 

[Risen Star]

Two gems here.

We can get our QB any year as long as we have a 1st and 2nd round pick. They are always there and teams will just bow to our wishes. Do not worry.

And we have been above average drafters in the Garrett regime. Especially when you squint your eyes and kind of look at our classes using your peripheral vision. This is comforting.

Basically whatever we decide to do will be the right thing and I, frankly, couldn't be more excited about that.

 

[texbumthelife]

Which is why I don't see how people think Goff projects better than Wentz.

Goffs college competition will have nothing to do with why he would be better than Wentz.

Not an argument for or against either, but it's much easier to project a guy who played against top level talent than it is to project a guy who played in FCS.

Goff also has three years of significant tape to pour over while Wentz has a season and a half, literally half the tape.

 

[YosemiteSam]

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[AzorAhai]

My worry is that one will grade out worthy of the pick and they still go elsewhere because "Romos got 3, 4, 5 years left". Thats the reason I would be annoyed. If they just don't grade out as a good pick I won't really be upset, even though my own evaluations show otherwise.

 

[Verdict]

Two gems here.

We can get our QB any year as long as we have a 1st and 2nd round pick. They are always there and teams will just bow to our wishes. Do not worry.

And we have been above average drafters in the Garrett regime. Especially when you squint your eyes and kind of look at our classes using your peripheral vision. This is comforting.

Basically whatever we decide to do will be the right thing and I, frankly, couldn't be more excited about that.

The Cowboys had enough balls to go against pretty much everyone's evaluation but their own to draft Fredbeard, and they have turned out to be spot on. No only did they get Fredbeard, they traded back and still got him. Keep in mind that Fredbeard's bench press numbers, which teams had used as the barometer for that position, were especially pedestrian.

So yeah, I think they seem to know more about what they are doing than most give them credit for. To paint the team as inept in the drafts is, well, laughable.

Moreover, you ignored the premise of my post which was that if the Big 3 grade out to be only worthy of #15 or below that you can draft a guy like that every year, (as long as you have a first round and a second round pick) which is true. The opportunity to take one of them high is likely, (someone could conceivably take QBs at #1, #2 and #3, leaving none of them available at #4) but that doesn't mean that any of the Big 3 will grade out as worthy of the #4 overall pick.

The most ironic part about your post is that if we take one of the Big 3 at #4 you will gush about how you were right, and then if they bust you will also go on and on about how we can't recognize good QB talent, when xyz was available to us in round 5 at QB, and how clear it was that THEY were the better prospect all along, and how we can't develop a QB.

I'm not really sure why you are a Cowboys fan at all. Wouldn't it be better for you to jump on the Cleveland Browns' bandwagon, so that you can criticize everything about the team every year and actually be right about it? That would seem to me to be a much better plan for you, and so much more rewarding for you than the plan you have in place rooting for the Cowboys.

For the record, I'm a BPA guy and if one of the BIG 3 grade out to be worthy of a top 4 pick, I'm ok with that. I am not OK with over drafting a late first round graded QB (or lower) at #4 overall, just because the "opportunity" is available to do so.

 

[Risen Star]

The Cowboys had enough balls to go against pretty much everyone's evaluation but their own to draft Fredbeard, and they have turned out to be spot on. No only did they get Fredbeard, they traded back and still got him. Keep in mind that Fredbeard's bench press numbers, which teams had used as the barometer for that position, were especially pedestrian.

So yeah, I think they seem to know more about what they are doing than most give them credit for. To paint the team as inept in the drafts is, well, laughable.

Wow, one player. BTW, I loved Frederick.

I stand corrected. They made a good draft decision in the past 5 years. That makes them better than average.

Moreover, you ignored the premise of my post which was that if the Big 3 grade out to be only worthy of #15 or below that you can draft a guy like that every year, (as long as you have a first round and a second round pick) which is true.

Yes. I agree. There are top 15ish QBs every year and the Cowboys are always in a position to get one. We simply pick up the phone, tell a team like Buffalo to beat it we need our QB and here, take a 2nd rounder for your troubles.

It's easy to find that kind of QB. What's the worry?

Good stuff.

The opportunity to take one of them high is likely, (someone could conceivably take QBs at #1, #2 and #3, leaving none of them available at #4) but that doesn't mean that any of the Big 3 will grade out as worthy of the #4 overall pick.

The most ironic part about your post is that if we take one of the Big 3 at #4 you will gush about how you were right, and then if they bust you will also go on and on about how we can't recognize good QB talent, when xyz was available to us in round 5 at QB, and how clear it was that THEY were the better prospect all along, and how we can't develop a QB.

I'm not really sure why you are a Cowboys fan at all. Wouldn't it be better for you to jump on the Cleveland Browns' bandwagon, so that you can criticize everything about the team every year and actually be right about it? That would seem to me to be a much better plan for you, and so much more rewarding for you than the plan you have in place rooting for the Cowboys.

For the record, I'm a BPA guy and if one of the BIG 3 grade out to be worthy of a top 4 pick, I'm ok with that. I am not OK with over drafting a late first round graded QB (or lower) at #4 overall, just because the "opportunity" is available to do so.

Do you feel better? Did you get any paint in your eyes?

If they draft a QB at 4, whether it be Goff or Wentz, I will assume it's because their scouting department graded them accordingly. Then I will praise the decision to go with the QB. But here the deal, my little sensitive fan. If the results don't follow I will....wait for it....blame them for poor talent evaluation.

Imagine holding a team accountable for results? It's a radical theory.

 

[Verdict]

My worry is that one will grade out worthy of the pick and they still go elsewhere because "Romos got 3, 4, 5 years left". Thats the reason I would be annoyed. If they just don't grade out as a good pick I won't really be upset, even though my own evaluations show otherwise.

I would actually be surprised if the Cowboys grade any of the Big 3 to be worthy of taking at #4, AND there is not a higher ranked player on their board when they pick, passing on the QB to draft a lesser ranked player at #4. Moving down is a consideration, but I don't think they will deviate from the BPA strategy at #4, if they actually pick at #4. Whoever they choose at #4 will be who they grade highest at that pick. If anything they might select a slightly lower ranked player if he is a QB at #4, provided that they deem the player worthy of the pick at #4. I don't think you will be disappointed if the QB is available, he is worthy of the selection at #4 AND he is the highest ranked player on the board at the time the pick is made.

I am somewhat underwhelmed at the top end talent available at the #4 pick. If we don't like the QB's we will probably try to move back a little unless the OT is available at #4, and we select him. He seems to currently viewed as the best player in this draft, and we could use an upgrade over Free.

 

[Verdict]

Wow, one player. BTW, I loved Frederick.

I stand corrected. They made a good draft decision in the past 5 years. That makes them better than average.



Yes. I agree. There are top 15ish QBs every year and the Cowboys are always in a position to get one. We simply pick up the phone, tell a team like Buffalo to beat it we need our QB and here, take a 2nd rounder for your troubles.

It's easy to find that kind of QB. What's the worry?

Good stuff.


Do you feel better? Did you get any paint in your eyes?

If they draft a QB at 4, whether it be Goff or Wentz, I will assume it's because their scouting department graded them accordingly. Then I will praise the decision to go with the QB. But here the deal, my little sensitive fan. If the results don't follow I will....wait for it....blame them for poor talent evaluation.

Imagine holding a team accountable for results? It's a radical theory.

Yeah, I know. They whiffed on Martin and Smith too the last few years. What was I thinking!!!!

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, I know. They whiffed on Martin and Smith too the last few years. What was I thinking!!!!

They've done a nice job with their 1st round picks. Do you want to discuss the 2nd-7th rounds?