QB's who never won a SB

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  1. RaZon

    RaZon Well-Known Member

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    Dan Marino is probably the 4/5 best QB of all time, as we know 0-1 in SB. While Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahan are SB champs. So just how important is winning the biggie to a QB's legacy?

    Philip Rivers
    Warren Moon
    Fran Tarkenton
    Dan Fouts
    Jim Kelly
    Tony Romo
    Matt Ryan

    are on a par with

    Eli Manning
    Phil Simms
    Joe Namath
    Terry Bradshaw
    Len Dawson
    Doug Williams
    Bart Starr

    All SB champs.

    Nobody thinks Jim McMahan was a great QB, he was no Dan Fouts. Fouts had one of the greatest offenses we have seen, three 1000 yard receivers and a stud RB, but a defense Alabama would have put 30 on. McMahan had the great Walter Payton and a D that had five future HOFers and a Mad Dog on it.

    So just how much credit do we give a QB for SB success or failure?

    The game Doug Williams had was incredible so, hmmmm?


     
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  2. RaZon

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    Speaking of QB's, would ya believe two who shared the job where both ended up in the pro bowl the same season?
     
  3. RonWashington

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    Ok Trent Dilfer and some others drove a greyhound bus to work but to be a multiple winning SB QB takes some talent .
     
  4. RaZon

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  5. terra

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    One name forgotten: Ken Anderson. A very accurate passer doomed to the Bengals during the Steelers great years. Finally gets to a SB and end up against Walsh. Monatna and the 49rs. If memory serves he actually out played Joe but Joe got the ball last.
     
  6. RaZon

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    Good one!

    Yep, Anderson had a great game but, a couple INT's. However his 73 comp% a SB record.

    Dude, was out of Augustana, where is that?
     
  7. kskboys

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    Archie Manning was actually a very good QB on really bad Saints teams.
     
  8. RaZon

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    Ah, what are you basing " very good" on? He had 13 seasons where he had more INT's than TD's. None of his stats were "very good". The thing with him is he survived those Saints years.
     
  9. Aerolithe_Lion

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    In his era, Bart Starr was considered possibly the greatest QB who ever lived. He was Tom Brady to Unitas’s Peyton Manning. Didn’t put up quite the stat line, but was far more accurate and a historically clutch decision maker in the biggest of games. You don’t give the ball to Bart Starr with time left on the clock or you just lost. When he retired, only YA Tittle owned more 4th quarter comebacks.

    NFL.com has Bart Starr as the 13th greatest Quarterback who’s ever lived:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nf...atriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041


    And who does the OP say is on par with the 13th greatest Quarterback who ever lived?


    Man I love this place.
     
  10. terra

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    When he finally escaped the Saints he showed signs of what he COULD have been.
     
  11. terra

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    Starr was great; Tom Brady of his time for the newbies. Did like your comparison to Unitas, very apt. One guy got virtually all the rings while the other got all the stats.

    Tony Romo is another in a long line of QBs who were not as fortunate in where they ended up. The guys like Brady and Starr and company are VERY rare: top players who ended up in top franchises with great coaches. Otto Graham is another of those.
     
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  12. RaZon

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    If you Google his career stats you'll see he did next to nothing once he left the Saints, so...?
     
  13. RaZon

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    Starr played 16 seasons, he was All Pro 1 time and played in just 4 pro bowls. John Unitas was da man back then. Otto Graham more revered than either by football geeks.

    Starr like Bradshaw was surrounded by a great great team, nine future Hall of Famers on those Packer teams.

    Fullback Jim Taylor was the driving force on those teams, and Paul Hornung a great player.
     
  14. RaZon

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    That ranking of QB's by NFL.Com is similiar to ESPN's Fastest Man list, so wrong it's comical.

    First off being the first at something has nothing to do with being the best, Sammy Baugh? Sid Luckman? Norm Van Brocklin?

    You can do the best of the 20's, 30's 40's etc but if doing the best of All Time those old timers just don't belong. Look at the defenses they faced, yep....slow!

    Kyler Murray would look like Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl. if transported back to 1930.
     
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  15. RaZon

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    It's 1942, Don Hutson catchs 74 for over 1200 and 17td's, that was outerwordly in his day, something totally out there.

    So just what do we do with this guy? He was a great all athlete, a 9.7 sprinter, an all star basketballer and baseballer.

    Story goes there was a track meet and baseball game right there on that Alabama campus, so he walks over from the baseball diamond takes off his hat changes his shoes wins the 100 dressed in his baseball gear then walks back to the diamond, true? ...hmmm?

    A 9.7 in the 30's when the World Record was 9.4 is cooking, especially vs cornerbacks who couldn't break 11.

    So just where do we put this guy on an All Time list? His 103 TD's number 21 on the all time list. 12 game seasons.


    https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/hutson-most-dominant-receiver-ever
     
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  16. Flamma

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    That's one of two super bowls I remember clearly because I won a ridiculous amount of money on them. And in both cases people laughed at me and my logic.

    I think QB means more now in the salary cap era. Before that, you could build a dominant team to make up for the QB.

    Not to take anything away from Williams, but his team was great. And he played great that game. My logic was simple really. Denver never stood a chance.

    That was basically the same Denver team we saw the previous year against the Giants. Washington were as good or close to as good as that Giants team IMO. Not quite as good on D, but a little better on O. I don't care how good Elway is, he's not making up that gap in team talent. I was giving people double digit points, which is why they were laughing since Denver was favored.
     
  17. Flamma

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    You can't type Washington's old name anymore lol.
     
  18. Reverend Conehead

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    That '85 Bears team had such a great defense that they didn't need a great quarterback. All they needed was a competent one, and McMahan was certainly that.
     
  19. RaZon

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    Sure ya can....Washington Football Team

    Well I'll be damn you're right.
     
  20. RaZon

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    Run the ball with Payton, give up 10-13 points score 14. Yep, any QB would have worked.
     

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