Question for those who saw the Rhein/Amsterdam game

[stag hunter]

Who looked better, Hamdan or Henson? Hamdan is from around my area and I saw him play a lot pre-season when he was with the 'Skins and I always thought he was a solid project player. All things considered, who looked like the better player with more NFL upside? How about the other QB's in the league? Is Henson head and shoulders above them in ability? I haven't caught any of the games but I'd be interested to see how Henson stacks up (not just statistically) with the rest of the QB's in the league.

 

[silverbear]

Who looked better, Hamdan or Henson? Hamdan is from around my area and I saw him play a lot pre-season when he was with the 'Skins and I always thought he was a solid project player. All things considered, who looked like the better player with more NFL upside? How about the other QB's in the league? Is Henson head and shoulders above them in ability? I haven't caught any of the games but I'd be interested to see how Henson stacks up (not just statistically) with the rest of the QB's in the league.

Drew didn't look bad, but he was the second best quarterback on the field... Hamdan kicked major butt...

It's funny in a way, ol' Hamdan USED to be property of the Skins...

 

[acheman]

Hamden looked better today. And without having seen all his other games, just going by stats he must have looked better all season so far. You would expect that from a guy playing his third year in Europe, in the same system, with the best WR corps over there though. Much like the advantage with Romo in Dallas, having more college experience and 1 more year of NFL experience with Dallas and their system, over Henson.

 

[NYCowboy22]

Hamden has a LOT more offensive talent around him. His recievers are the best in the league and his line gives him all day to throw. Only knock on their offense is the run game.

Henson has been doing great playing the cards he's dealt. His recievers don't get much seperation so hes been fitting passes in very tight windows. He is also rushed a lot but buys time with his feet which has impressed me a lot. Zuriel Smith also didn't play today, which hurt the passing game. Henson has the better arm by far, however Hamden moves around a little bit better.

If I had to pick one, just based on this last game, I would take Henson given the above considerations. I think if you give swap Henson and Hamden, Henson puts up just as good as numbers if not better.

 

[DBoys]

Hamden was as good as the talent around him and so was Henson.

Henson was pressured all day. Just like Adam said the Fire receivers would not get seperation.

Fire defense was horrible.

Fire lost the game and it had nothing to do with Henson. Henson is the only reason that game was even close.

I think you will see a different game next week.q

 

[acheman]

"Fire lost the game and it had nothing to do with Henson. Henson is the only reason that game was even close."

Whoa Whoa there hoss, let's not go overboard. Henson's fumble that helped put the Admirals up 14-0 had nothing to do with the game? His INT on the final drive did not help decide the game? The flip side could be said for Drew and his Defense also. If his Defense had not played so well in all the other games he might not have been 4-0 as a starter. Of course field position after turnovers is also a reason he does not have huge offensive numbers, he does not have to go the length of the field that often to get points.


As for Henson being the only reason they were in that game, his Defense scored 7 points, his special teams put the offense (with Chang at the helm) in position to score 7 more points, and somehow Chang got another 3 on the board after getting the ball back in the red zone (I think after a fumble recovery). So it sure was not a one man show, any more than one man lost that game. It is the ultimate team sport for a reason.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

I finally caught a whole game, and was able to thoroughly analyze the game film again. I must say Henstud looked very solid early on....but unfortunately his flaws were once again exposed: fumbles, sacks, staring down receivers, and throwing a pick with the game on the line. His footwork leaves much to be desired as well. He makes some solid throws, but also looks atrocious at times.

This Hamden cat looked very good.....he might have a chance to make a practice squad or be a 3rd QB in the NFL. If he's out there on waivers it wouldn't hurt to give him a look.

 

[acheman]

"fumbles, sacks, staring down receivers, and throwing a pick with the game on the line. His footwork leaves much to be desired as well. He makes some solid throws, but also looks atrocious at times."


Damn man you describing DREW Henson or DREW Bledsoe? Because that description fits that piece of crap Bledsoe to a T.:laugh2:

 

[Clove]

I don't know about the other guy, but Henson is becoming a really good prospect. THey really cheated that team on the receiver part of things, and Henson was just throwing spears at receivers all day long.

Just one bullet after another, and even his wobbly passes were getting there.

He had serious pressure all day, and just fought thru it. I like what I'm seeing out of Henson, he is light years above Hutchinson and I can even see him taking over for Bledsoe after next year.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

"fumbles, sacks, staring down receivers, and throwing a pick with the game on the line. His footwork leaves much to be desired as well. He makes some solid throws, but also looks atrocious at times."


Damn man you describing DREW Henson or DREW Bledsoe? Because that description fits that piece of crap Bledsoe to a T.:laugh2:

Every qb has made bad plays from time to time....Bledsoe has a proven track record and gaudy resume in the NFL, something Henson don't....and if he shows these type of glaring flaws in NFLE...what do you think is going to happen in the NFL against even the worst pro team.

The NFLE is not the NFC East my man!

 

[Clove]

I finally caught a whole game, and was able to thoroughly analyze the game film again. I must say Henstud looked very solid early on....but unfortunately his flaws were once again exposed: fumbles, sacks, staring down receivers, and throwing a pick with the game on the line. His footwork leaves much to be desired as well. He makes some solid throws, but also looks atrocious at times.

This Hamden cat looked very good.....he might have a chance to make a practice squad or be a 3rd QB in the NFL. If he's out there on waivers it wouldn't hurt to give him a look.

Sounds like Bledsoe. In other words, no one has a perfect game every game, and you have to evaluate his accuracy, his ability to get rid of the ball in time, his ability to feel the pressure, his ability to improvise and throw on the run, his ability to make things happen, and I thought he did an excellent job of it.

I thought that by the end of the game, he started to rush just a bit, and had to fit passes into impossible areas because the defense was just sitting back in coverage playing zone, and Henson had no playmakers on the field.

I thought he did excellent, and I wasn't even a big Henson supporter.

 

[ctalker]

Hamdan looked good but he had a lot more time in the pocket and his WR's were hands down better than the Rhines. It was very obvious he has more talent to work with.

Henson played a great game. He does need to keep working on his mechanics but that is why he is there. He was constantly pressured and his 2 starting WR's were out of the game due to injury. He made a lot of great throws, plenty of drops again.. and I think carried the offense.

Henson's final two posessions were dissapointing. His throws were off and he did get picked on the final drive. Hopefully a good learning experience for him.

 

[Roger78]

Hamdan looked good but he had a lot more time in the pocket and his WR's were hands down better than the Rhines. It was very obvious he has more talent to work with.

Henson played a great game. He does need to keep working on his mechanics but that is why he is there. He was constantly pressured and his 2 starting WR's were out of the game due to injury. He made a lot of great throws, plenty of drops again.. and I think carried the offense.

Henson's final two posessions were dissapointing. His throws were off and he did get picked on the final drive. Hopefully a good learning experience for him.

It was kind of hard to tell watching the replay but the last pass looked like it was tipped by a defensive lineman which made it really wobbly and high. The ball seems to slow down and go higher about 5 or 6 feet after it left his hand. Still a good game by Henson.

 

[DBoys]

Whoa Whoa there hoss, let's not go overboard. Henson's fumble that helped put the Admirals up 14-0 had nothing to do with the game? His INT on the final drive did not help decide the game?

I guess the protection had nothing to do with that play? The defensive player made a beautiful play and popped him square on the back and brought his arms through to break the ball loose. Nobody would of held on to that ball it was a good play and the OL's fault. Since when is a tip on the QB? Granted it wasn't the prettiest pass but the receiver still tipped it 5 yards in the air plus the ball hit the ground.

As for Henson being the only reason they were in that game, his Defense scored 7 points, his special teams put the offense (with Chang at the helm) in position to score 7 more points, and somehow Chang got another 3 on the board after getting the ball back in the red zone (I think after a fumble recovery). So it sure was not a one man show, any more than one man lost that game. It is the ultimate team sport for a reason.

Your preaching to def ears that offense is flat in the 2nd quarter for a reason but I guess you overlooked the mistakes Chang made for a reason.

 

[dbair1967]

Hamden has a LOT more offensive talent around him. His recievers are the best in the league and his line gives him all day to throw. Only knock on their offense is the run game.

Henson has been doing great playing the cards he's dealt. His recievers don't get much seperation so hes been fitting passes in very tight windows. He is also rushed a lot but buys time with his feet which has impressed me a lot. Zuriel Smith also didn't play today, which hurt the passing game. Henson has the better arm by far, however Hamden moves around a little bit better.

If I had to pick one, just based on this last game, I would take Henson given the above considerations. I think if you give swap Henson and Hamden, Henson puts up just as good as numbers if not better.

you are correct sir

its obvious Amsterdam has a better football team...not only are the OL and WR's better, but they have a pretty good pass rush..

David

 

[AdamJT13]

It was kind of hard to tell watching the replay but the last pass looked like it was tipped by a defensive lineman which made it really wobbly and high. The ball seems to slow down and go higher about 5 or 6 feet after it left his hand.

I don't think the ball itself was tipped, but the defensive lineman appeared to hit Henson's elbow or arm just as he was about to release the ball, and the ball came out funny.

 

[jrumann59]

The ball then was tipped again by his receiver to the defender. Henso looked alright but for some reason when he decides to zip the ball into tight spots his release is very low. His O-Line sucked all day, the play calling was a little erratic also. Rhein's defense was horrible on the front seven the DB's did a good job covering but you can't expect a DB to cover his guy for 6-8 seconds with no pressure on the QB.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I finally caught a whole game, and was able to thoroughly analyze the game film again. I must say Henstud looked very solid early on....but unfortunately his flaws were once again exposed: fumbles, sacks, staring down receivers, and throwing a pick with the game on the line. His footwork leaves much to be desired as well. He makes some solid throws, but also looks atrocious at times.

This Hamden cat looked very good.....he might have a chance to make a practice squad or be a 3rd QB in the NFL. If he's out there on waivers it wouldn't hurt to give him a look.

ROFL. As if this analysis was unexpected from you.

Anyone but Henson makes you talk about a QB who's been in NFLE for 3 years as a possible guy to look at. What happened to the NFLE is the last chance for a QB to make it onto a roster in the pros? Oh yeah, that only applies to Henson.

Your schtick is pathetic and irritating.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I finally caught a whole game, and was able to thoroughly analyze the game film again. I must say Henstud looked very solid early on....but unfortunately his flaws were once again exposed: fumbles, sacks, staring down receivers, and throwing a pick with the game on the line. His footwork leaves much to be desired as well. He makes some solid throws, but also looks atrocious at times.

This Hamden cat looked very good.....he might have a chance to make a practice squad or be a 3rd QB in the NFL. If he's out there on waivers it wouldn't hurt to give him a look.

do you love pissing people off? honestly

 

[AdamJT13]

Who looked better, Hamdan or Henson? Hamdan is from around my area and I saw him play a lot pre-season when he was with the 'Skins and I always thought he was a solid project player. All things considered, who looked like the better player with more NFL upside? How about the other QB's in the league? Is Henson head and shoulders above them in ability? I haven't caught any of the games but I'd be interested to see how Henson stacks up (not just statistically) with the rest of the QB's in the league.

Your first question, about who looked better, is a different question from the other questions you asked. Hamdan looked "better," and he should have, considering that his receivers were far better and were open more often, and he had less pressure on most of his attempts. He hit several receivers deep when they had a couple of steps on defenders (but he also missed badly on one deep pass to a wide-open receiver). Henson never had any receivers that open deep.

On the question about NFL upside and ability, I'd say it's Henson by far -- as long as he continues to get back into game-speed mode. He has all of the physical tools, and his reads and recognition are notably improving. He has the potential to be an NFL starter, while a guy like Hamdan likely tops out at second-string, if he ever gets that far. He has an average arm, isn't mobile and isn't great under pressure.