Question Isnt Cheating in games detrimental to the NFL?

[rockj7]

Tom Brady flat out lied about deflate gate. If he got caught this time it means he and the Patriots have been doing this for sometime. My question will cheating get him a 10 game suspension of course not so I ask Isnt cheating just as detrimental to the league as players going to jail?

 

[muck4doo]

The Pats, Giants, and 49ers are the pet cats of Goodell. Nothing will happen to them. Mara and Goodell will find a way to punish the Cowboys, Commanders, Raiders, or Saints for this because they aren't his pet cats. Don't worry though, all will be well when we stomp those sorry Pats in the Superb Owl next season. It's going to happen.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Its embarrassing how much the Pats get away with. I can't remember a team in any other sport that straight up is allowed to cheat with no consequences. Not even Sydney Crosby.

 

[muck4doo]

Its embarrassing how much the Pats get away with. I can't remember a team in any other sport that straight up is allowed to cheat with no consequences. Not even Sydney Crosby.

Stomp stomp stomp. I see Hardy and Gregory stomping all over Brady. Cowboys vs. ButtPats next Super Bowl. I want this so bad.

 

[DogFace]

There will be a relatively small fine for Brady. As others have said it's comical what this team gets away with.

This is the second time they've been caught red handed.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Tom Brady flat out lied about deflate gate. If he got caught this time it means he and the Patriots have been doing this for sometime. My question will cheating get him a 10 game suspension of course not so I ask Isnt cheating just as detrimental to the league as players going to jail?

Some people loyal to the Patriots are trying to downplay this as that its not that serious compared to Bountygate. However, I disagree. Having the balls deflated like that gives the Patriots a mental advantage. It gives Brady a comfort zone on how his balls are going to be delivered to his receivers. In baseball they do it all the time and eject pitchers for doctoring the ball.

 

[Rogah]

Some people loyal to the Patriots are trying to downplay this as that its not that serious compared to Bountygate. However, I disagree.

If you think 1 PSI is as bad as systematically targeting and trying to injure opponents, then you have some warped priorities.

Having the balls deflated like that gives the Patriots a mental advantage. It gives Brady a comfort zone on how his balls are going to be delivered to his receivers. In baseball they do it all the time and eject pitchers for doctoring the ball.

Yes they eject pitchers and give them a couple game suspension. They don't suspend them for a full year.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think the steroid era was detrimental to baseball. The theory was 'offense sells tickets' and they saw an increase in attendance during the *first half* of the steroid era. However, that attendance was not anywhere near the attendance in baseball in the 80's (when offense was less and the Yankees were not atop of baseball and the Red Sox fanbase was entirely smaller) and way less than it was in the 70's.

The problem became with baseball in the steroid era is that the game lost its legitimacy. There's always excitement around somebody breaking a long held record and that's what happened in the first half of the steroid era when McGwire was set to break Maris' home run record.

But, eventually many fans saw it for what it was....an illegitimate attempt at breaking Maris' record between the steroids, watered down pitching, shorter stadium fences and shorter pitching mounds. Breaking Maris' record or Aaron's record was no longer special because even Brady Anderson could hit 52 home runs in a year.

So that's what is really on trial here, the league's legitimacy. Since the league obviously didn't punish the Patriots enough because they cheated again (and right in the midst of the SpyGate investigation), they can send a clear message by giving the Patriots the stiffest of penalties, so not only will they not try and cheat the league, but the other teams in the league won't get the idea of cheapening the league either.

My proposed punishment would be:

Tom Brady suspended for 4 games (treat it like a PED since it was 'performance enhancing')
Bill Belichick suspended for 1 season and fined $5 million (remember, ignorance is not an excuse)
Robert Kraft fined $20 million.
Patriots lose a 1st and 2nd rounder in the 2016 draft
Patriots lose $15 million in cap room in 2016 and 2017.

Maybe that would get the message across.




YR

 

[Rogah]

I think the steroid era was detrimental to baseball. The theory was 'offense sells tickets' and they saw an increase in attendance during the *first half* of the steroid era. However, that attendance was not anywhere near the attendance in baseball in the 80's (when offense was less and the Yankees were not atop of baseball and the Red Sox fanbase was entirely smaller) and way less than it was in the 70's.

The problem became with baseball in the steroid era is that the game lost its legitimacy. There's always excitement around somebody breaking a long held record and that's what happened in the first half of the steroid era when McGwire was set to break Maris' home run record.

But, eventually many fans saw it for what it was....an illegitimate attempt at breaking Maris' record between the steroids, watered down pitching, shorter stadium fences and shorter pitching mounds. Breaking Maris' record or Aaron's record was no longer special because even Brady Anderson could hit 52 home runs in a year.

So that's what is really on trial here, the league's legitimacy. Since the league obviously didn't punish the Patriots enough because they cheated again (and right in the midst of the SpyGate investigation), they can send a clear message by giving the Patriots the stiffest of penalties, so not only will they not try and cheat the league, but the other teams in the league won't get the idea of cheapening the league either.

My proposed punishment would be:

Tom Brady suspended for 4 games (treat it like a PED since it was 'performance enhancing')
Bill Belichick suspended for 1 season and fined $5 million (remember, ignorance is not an excuse)
Robert Kraft fined $20 million.
Patriots lose a 1st and 2nd rounder in the 2016 draft
Patriots lose $15 million in cap room in 2016 and 2017.

Maybe that would get the message across.




YR

Pretty tough to justify any of that when you consider the guideline and recommended penalty for this "crime" is a $25,000 fine.

Yes I know they're not 100% beholden to the guidelines but you can't give someone the death penalty for doing 78 on PGBT.

 

[ConstantReboot]

If you think 1 PSI is as bad as systematically targeting and trying to injure opponents, then you have some warped priorities.Yes they eject pitchers and give them a couple game suspension. They don't suspend them for a full year.

If you think that 1 PSI doesn't give the Patriots a mental advantage than you wrong. They have been doing this for several years - culminating in several wins for the Patriots. Football is not only a physical sport but it is also mental. It makes it easier to win when you know you have an advantage mentally over the other team.

There was a study done on fumbling and that the Patriots have the least by a score of almost 3 to 1. Do you think thats just luck or coincidence?

Cheating is cheating. The came down hard on the Saints and Peyton wasn't even involved in it. No one was injured because of Bountygate and much of it was fabricated by the media. However, when you realize it hurting someone football is not cheating. Its part of the game. Thus Bountygate is nothing more than an elaborate witch hunt.

Brady got caught cheating. Its not the first time that they cheated (Patriots). Its time to punish them severely just as bad as what the Saints got. They deserve it.

 

[dogberry]

What should the penalty be for refs that refill the football to 16 psi?

 

[DBOY3141]

I think the steroid era was detrimental to baseball. The theory was 'offense sells tickets' and they saw an increase in attendance during the *first half* of the steroid era. However, that attendance was not anywhere near the attendance in baseball in the 80's (when offense was less and the Yankees were not atop of baseball and the Red Sox fanbase was entirely smaller) and way less than it was in the 70's.

The problem became with baseball in the steroid era is that the game lost its legitimacy. There's always excitement around somebody breaking a long held record and that's what happened in the first half of the steroid era when McGwire was set to break Maris' home run record.

But, eventually many fans saw it for what it was....an illegitimate attempt at breaking Maris' record between the steroids, watered down pitching, shorter stadium fences and shorter pitching mounds. Breaking Maris' record or Aaron's record was no longer special because even Brady Anderson could hit 52 home runs in a year.

So that's what is really on trial here, the league's legitimacy. Since the league obviously didn't punish the Patriots enough because they cheated again (and right in the midst of the SpyGate investigation), they can send a clear message by giving the Patriots the stiffest of penalties, so not only will they not try and cheat the league, but the other teams in the league won't get the idea of cheapening the league either.

My proposed punishment would be:

Tom Brady suspended for 4 games (treat it like a PED since it was 'performance enhancing')
Bill Belichick suspended for 1 season and fined $5 million (remember, ignorance is not an excuse)
Robert Kraft fined $20 million.
Patriots lose a 1st and 2nd rounder in the 2016 draft
Patriots lose $15 million in cap room in 2016 and 2017.

Maybe that would get the message across.




YR

I agree. If taking the wrong cough syrup or asthma medication is considered a PED and cost 4 games, so should this. The Pats organization needs to be hit hard. Two times caught makes the league look real bad.

 

[Longboysfan]

Tom Brady flat out lied about deflate gate. If he got caught this time it means he and the Patriots have been doing this for sometime. My question will cheating get him a 10 game suspension of course not so I ask Isnt cheating just as detrimental to the league as players going to jail?

Not where the NFL is concerned.
They will think it over and do nothing.

 

[dogberry]

The NFL will have to disapprove the Healy experiment to make this stick.

 

[Rogah]

If you think that 1 PSI doesn't give the Patriots a mental advantage than you wrong. They have been doing this for several years - culminating in several wins for the Patriots. Football is not only a physical sport but it is also mental. It makes it easier to win when you know you have an advantage mentally over the other team.

If it is such an earth-shattering, huge advantage, then what do you think about the league which allowed the 1st half of the AFCCG to be played under those circumstances?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Pretty tough to justify any of that when you consider the guideline and recommended penalty for this "crime" is a $25,000 fine.

Yes I know they're not 100% beholden to the guidelines but you can't give someone the death penalty for doing 78 on PGBT.

I think the statistics of the Patriots' fumble rate and Brady's explosion into statistical stratosphere, both of which occurred in 2007, right when the league changed the rules to allow teams to handle their own footballs makes the crime more harsh.

Furthermore, the Patriots were accused of and caught cheating in SpyGate in 2007. So right during the time they were cheating in SpyGate, instead of saying 'hey, we need to knock this off because the commissioner is serious about this' instead they just kept cheating anyway.

I'm a 'nip it in the bud' kind of guy. That's why I would have handled SpyGate in a completely different fashion in order to make sure that nobody cheats again or anybody questions Kraft having the commissioner in his back pocket. My way would have prevented this horrific cheating and abuse of the rules back in '07.




YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The NFL will have to disapprove the Healy experiment to make this stick.

Don't need to.

Healy claimed that the PSI would drop by 1.8 PSI. The Colts' footballs didn't drop anywhere near that.

Oh, and Healy is a self admitted Patriots fanboy. And as I said long ago...I simply don't trust these fanboys when it comes to 'science' and the NFL unless they prove otherwise.

Lastly, the texts completely incriminate the Patriots deflating the football making Healy's claims completely moot. In the end, Healy just shot his credibility as a scientist. Good luck with that.





YR

 

[burmafrd]

If it is such an earth-shattering, huge advantage, then what do you think about the league which allowed the 1st half of the AFCCG to be played under those circumstances?

your desperate attempts are getting more and more pathetic. All you need is an edge sometimes- even a small one can make the difference. But as usual you are just a blind homer. Knew it would not be long before you tried the tired old "Everyone does it" or "What about this?" to defend your precious pats.

 

[Rogah]

your desperate attempts are getting more and more pathetic. All you need is an edge sometimes- even a small one can make the difference. But as usual you are just a blind homer. Knew it would not be long before you tried the tired old "Everyone does it" or "What about this?" to defend your precious pats.

It's an honest question: have the fortitude to answer it.

If the whole notion of deflating footballs is such a huge, major, earth-shattering "crime", then what does it say about the NFL that they let 30 minutes of a conference championship game be played with balls suspected to have been under-inflated? Also, if the whole notion of deflating footballs is such a huge, major, earth-shattering "crime", then why did no one bother to actually, you know, tell the commissioner about this whole thing when it was originally raised?

I am not defending the Patriots when I say these are legit questions than any fan should want answered.

 

[ConstantReboot]

If it is such an earth-shattering, huge advantage, then what do you think about the league which allowed the 1st half of the AFCCG to be played under those circumstances?

How do you know its NOT a earth-shattering earth advantage? Patriots have one of the lowest fumble ratings since 2007 where they allowed the home team to supply the balls. Whats surprising is that they had almost a 3 times less fumbles advantage than the next team. If this isn't something earth shattering than I don't know what is.