Question on Bob Stoops
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No, the OU base defense is a 4-3. When Mike Stoops was running the defense, they spent a lot of their time in a nickle though, and they still do.
OU has been known to run their nickle with 3 down lineman at times though, and they allow one of their pass rushers to stand up and play the "spinner" position. Kearse used to do it under Stoops at Florida, and Dan Cody did a good job with it al OU.
They run a lot of zone blitzes though, and they were always good at creating turnovers until very recently. Of course, not having a good push up the middle from the DTs hurt the team this season. All in all, they have a solid, proven scheme for college football.
OU has been known to run their nickle with 3 down lineman at times though, and they allow one of their pass rushers to stand up and play the "spinner" position. Kearse used to do it under Stoops at Florida, and Dan Cody did a good job with it al OU.
They run a lot of zone blitzes though, and they were always good at creating turnovers until very recently. Of course, not having a good push up the middle from the DTs hurt the team this season. All in all, they have a solid, proven scheme for college football.
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ddh33;1328567 said:
Hey I appreciate the information. When Roy Was playing for stoops what type of defense were they using and why was Roy so much more effective there than he has been here? Stoops seems to be amongst the early favorites to land our HC vacancy and im sure he can fix our problems with Roy.
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RW played everywhere from his safety spot. When Mike Stoops was at OU. The team was mainly a 4-3. Still is pretty much. Like one poster said. They play a lot of nickel and blitz regularly.
RW played close to the line for blitzing and run support. He floated a lot in the secondary at times also. Some of his biggets hits as a Sooner came from RB's out of the backfield on passes. He flat out laid wood back then. Yikes!
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RW played close to the line for blitzing and run support. He floated a lot in the secondary at times also. Some of his biggets hits as a Sooner came from RB's out of the backfield on passes. He flat out laid wood back then. Yikes!
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glorydaysrback;1328607 said:
I won't comment on the schemes because I am not that familiar with OU football, though many on this board seem to be diehards..
But in terms of dominance, you're talking about a different level of play at the collegiate level. A guy like Williams can get away with alot more deficencies in his game if the guys he is playing against are not as good as the guys in teh NFL.
In college you might face 1, MAYBE 2 top level WR from teh opposition. In the NFL, pretty much everyone is a top level WR. All the guys are fast, they can all catch, tehy all run relatively good routes.
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glorydaysrback;1328607 said:
They actually invented a position for Roy because he was just too good to limit. They still use it, although not as well or often, but it's called the "Roy" position. Basically, it's kind of a rover type position where the player can effectively blitz or cover. It's a hybrid of a corner, safety, and linebacker position because that's what Roy was...So he was in the box quite a bit, although he did cover down the field too, and he simply dominated.
Guys like Brandon Everegae played it, and Andre Woolfolk even got a shot at it. Clint Ingram, as a LB, was playing the position a year ago, and he ended up having a nice rookie season with the Jags this year.
I've always felt like Roy Williams should be used to his strengths more in Dallas. Hope it happens.
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Billy Bullocks;1328635 said:
your points are valid most definitely. However, I highly doubt Roy Williams lacks the ability to be as effective in the NFL as he was in college. He is just not being used correctly. of course this is only my opinion.
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Da Hammer;1328630 said:
I agree. I think you and me were discussing this in a thread a few days ago, but at the collegiate level, recruiting is just as important as scheming. He's a great recruiter, adn not a bad coach. But a few thins I think people should consider...
OU was at it's best with Mike Stoops as the DC. This was when they were consistantly in the national title hunt, and had arguably the best defense in college football.
Look at most college coaches track records in the NFL. Most of them have failed, especially the guys who are touted as the next big thing. Spurrier, Saban, etc.
Coaching in the NFL is vastly different to coaching in college. X's and O's might be somewhat similar, but I just perosnally feel taht college coaches often rely to heavily on guys who can dominate at that level. I'm talking about guys liek Reggie Bush and Lendale White each going for 170+ yards with a 10YPC avg. Defensive Ends who essentially cannot be blocked. WR who will torch 99.9% of the corners at the collegiate level. You don't really get that sort of player at teh NFL level, and if you do, it's a rarity. It changes the complexion of the game.
That's just my take on why many college coaches fail.