Quick Opinion on Pass Rush

[Chuck 54]

Getting more sacks doesn't mean you have a more effective pass rush.

We can get more sacks for the season...Ware could get 1 sack every game to total an amazing 16, but a good pass rush means consistant pressure on the QB to throw more quickly than he wants, to receivers who aren't his best options, getting knocked down a lot, and having passes tipped at the line every game because We are in the passing lanes with the DL.

Right now we get some sacks every game...right now Ware has 1-2 good plays per game. The rest of the time the opposing team's QB is sitting in a very nice pocket whether we blitz or not, and we're getting burned with big plays.

I'll say it again...for several years, and I think this year is no different judging by yesterdays performance when we blitzed versus the end of the game when we sat back in coverage, we seem to play better defense on 3rd/4th and long and obvious passing situations when we only rush 3-4 guys and have the rest of the guys sitting back in pass coverage...it just seems to be the nature of our team that when we clearly sit back in coverage, we seem to cover better and make more plays on the ball, giving QB's very little room to fit the ball.

Occasional or spotty pressure is NOT effective...that's my opinion...feel free to share yours?

 

[Sarge]

Getting more sacks doesn't mean you have a more effective pass rush.

We can get more sacks for the season...Ware could get 1 sack every game to total an amazing 16, but a good pass rush means consistant pressure on the QB to throw more quickly than he wants, to receivers who aren't his best options, getting knocked down a lot, and having passes tipped at the line every game because We are in the passing lanes with the DL.

Right now we get some sacks every game...right now Ware has 1-2 good plays per game. The rest of the time the opposing team's QB is sitting in a very nice pocket whether we blitz or not, and we're getting burned with big plays.

I'll say it again...for several years, and I think this year is no different judging by yesterdays performance when we blitzed versus the end of the game when we sat back in coverage, we seem to play better defense on 3rd/4th and long and obvious passing situations when we only rush 3-4 guys and have the rest of the guys sitting back in pass coverage...it just seems to be the nature of our team that when we clearly sit back in coverage, we seem to cover better and make more plays on the ball, giving QB's very little room to fit the ball.

Occasional or spotty pressure is NOT effective...that's my opinion...feel free to share yours?

That's why Charles Haley was so effective. If he wasn't sacking you, you were getting rid of the ball because he would be breathing down your neck - constant pressure.

I've always believed QB pressures are a very underrated stat.

 

[dbair1967]

Getting more sacks doesn't mean you have a more effective pass rush.

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totally agree...been trying to explain that myself to a few here...

if you get 2 sacks and then dont even touch the QB on the other 30 pass attempts, THE PASS RUSH SUCKS

David

 

[zagnut]

Getting more sacks doesn't mean you have a more effective pass rush.

We can get more sacks for the season...Ware could get 1 sack every game to total an amazing 16, but a good pass rush means consistant pressure on the QB to throw more quickly than he wants, to receivers who aren't his best options, getting knocked down a lot, and having passes tipped at the line every game because We are in the passing lanes with the DL.

Right now we get some sacks every game...right now Ware has 1-2 good plays per game. The rest of the time the opposing team's QB is sitting in a very nice pocket whether we blitz or not, and we're getting burned with big plays.

I'll say it again...for several years, and I think this year is no different judging by yesterdays performance when we blitzed versus the end of the game when we sat back in coverage, we seem to play better defense on 3rd/4th and long and obvious passing situations when we only rush 3-4 guys and have the rest of the guys sitting back in pass coverage...it just seems to be the nature of our team that when we clearly sit back in coverage, we seem to cover better and make more plays on the ball, giving QB's very little room to fit the ball.

Occasional or spotty pressure is NOT effective...that's my opinion...feel free to share yours?

My 2 cents is I agree with your definition of what a good pass rush is and I feel you're being too black and white regarding our improvements.

I saw consistent pressure vs Brees and vs Brunell, both sitting behind lines that are at least above average and playing with top RBs that prevent defenses from pinning their ears back. I only heard the 49ers game, so I cannot really comment. It did not sound like we had Rattay on the run much.

We abused Brunell for most of the game Monday night but sat back in the last few minutes trying to take away the long, quick score. We all know how well that turned out. We're left with a sour taste that overwhelms what we actually did well in that game.

Against Brees, I saw consistent pressure that he was able to just squirrel away from at the last minute and either scramble around to find the receiver or avoid the sack. I saw that at least a half a dozen times.

We're not at the level of Pittsburgh or New England as far as putting pressure on the passer, but

(1) we've been better at getting to the QB than the 3 teams we've faced so far (dramatically, in my opinion),

(2) we undeniably have more sacks than the first 3 games last year,

(3) we have more takeaways and tipped passes than last year, which can usually point back to passer pressure, and

(4) I would bet we have at least 1/3 more pressures than at the same point last year.

We're playing with 3 rookies getting considerable time in the front seven. Soon we'll be inserting another rookie. I see a pretty big jump from last year and 1/2 our front seven barely knows what it's doing right now. We could do better, but we could be a lot worse.

 

[Dallas4ever]

We were playing back when Brunell burned us for the 25 yd. gain on 3 and 27. Our problem is not with the blitz so much as it is with who's reading and covering in our defensive backfield. The guys playing in the middle of the defensive backfield are called Safeties for a reason.
Roy is the best player in the middle of the field for us and coverage is not what he does best. So far it's proving to be a mistake not to have signed a veteran FS. Too much space for an inexperienced player who's average at best. Teams will feast on this weakness all year if it doesn't improve.

 

[lurkercowboy]

Yes, that is a good definition of a pass rush. I have thought that same thing for some time. But I think Dallas' pass rush is improving and has been better this year. Still, it needs to get better because it is not quite there.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The proliferation of 3-step drops makes rushing the passer a mute point-- just like yesterday.

If you can't cover you'll get killed when the offense uses the "3-step" no matter how many guys you blitz.

 

[dbair1967]

I saw consistent pressure vs Brees and vs Brunell, both sitting behind lines that are at least above average and playing with top RBs that prevent defenses from pinning their ears back. I only heard the 49ers game, so I cannot really comment. .

really? is that wqhy Brunell had all day to loft long ones with that rag arm of his?

and the Niners game was atrocious

David

 

[Chuck 54]

The proliferation of 3-step drops makes rushing the passer a mute point-- just like yesterday.

If you can't cover you'll get killed when the offense uses the "3-step" no matter how many guys you blitz.

Dead on...as usual...the guys up front need to recognize that and get into the passing lanes with their hands up...yesterday was the first tipped passes I've noticed all season, and they both wound up good for us.

 

[31smackdown]

It looks like they are still playing around with a lot of personnel formations and adding a few wrinkles each game. Glover seems to be playing really well, especially when he is allowed to rush upfield. It looked like they were starting to play a little more with stunts as well yesterday. I think these guys will really start to come around as the season goes on.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Zagnut is correct that when we went passive and dropped back in coverage we got beat, the same play easily really with a 13 point lead...

Mike, a 3 step drop can be pressured by blitzing up the middle...

Our passive & predictable nickle D will be killed by the Raiders IF we don't change things up...

Collins has the arm & talent at WR to easily beat that zimmy crap...

 

[Hoov]

why is when we blitz it still takes forever to get to the QB and when the eagles blitz, someone comes completely untouched and they are getting there instantly.

Dawkins lines up right outside the OT, you know he's blitzing as soon as you see it and yet he always seems to come free to the qb's blindside