Quinn: Things That We Now Know Are Facts

[DallasEast]

Fact #1: According to their offensive philosophy, the Raiders evaluated Russell as the better quarterback of the two.

Fact #2: The following teams evaluated their #1 first round target (which is enclosed in parenthesis) was NOT going to be quarterback (i.e. Quinn) according to their board and/or trade strategy - Lions (WR), Buccaneers (DE), Cardinals (OT), Commanders (FS), Vikings (RB), Falcons (DE), Dolphins (WR), Texans (DT), 49ers (LB), Bills (RB), Rams (DE), Jets (CB), Steelers (LB), Packers (DT), Broncos (DE), Bengals (CB), Titans (FS), Giants (CB) & Jaguars* (FS)

* On draft day, Jacksonville traded picks with Denver before Cleveland's eventual second selection

Fact #3: the Panthers entertained selecting Quinn even less than all of the aforementioned teams by trading out of the top half of the first round to the bottom half when he fell right in their laps.

Fact #4: the Browns' draft strategy from the opening bell was to select the best offensive tackle on the board with their first round pick IF the Raiders and Lions bypassed Thomas AND no team attempted to leapfrog them.

Fact #5: the Browns' (according to their general manager during his NFLN interview) contacted every team in the draft order FOLLOWING the Dolphins selection of Ginn to secure Quinn's services.

Fact #6: for the Cowboys, at pick #22, the opportunity of obtaining a future first round pick outweighed that of selecting a quarterback named Quinn.

Fact #7: the Cowboys knew with 100% certainty that Quinn would not be available when they made the trade with the Browns.

Knowing these facts, my question is, "Why people keep harping about Quinn?", because he wasn't going to be picked by ANY team until the #23 selection at the earliest. And that was only if the Chiefs or any team immediately following them wanted him at that point or a team wanted to trade up for him if he had remained on the board.

 

[adamknite]

because he is a good QB who played for Charlie Weis, who was the offensive cooridnator for the Pats superbowl runs.

 

[DallasEast]

because he is a good QB who played for Charlie Weis, who was the offensive cooridnator for the Pats superbowl runs.

True, but that observation wasn't going to change what happened during the draft in the slightest.

 

[Angus]

Quinn is old news; what about Moore?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

It was a franchise type QB and they are hard to draft especially at #22, therefore, it proves how good we feel about ROMO

 

[DallasEast]

It was a franchise type QB and they are hard to draft especially at #22, therefore, it proves how good we feel about ROMO

There isn't any difficulty whatsoever drafting a franchise quarterback if he falls in your lap, which is exactly the situation which presented itself for 23 different teams (that number includes Carolina). The reasons why Quinn wasn't drafted before Cleveland's second pick were outlined in the first post. I do agree with you about Romo though.

 

[DallasEast]

Quinn is old news; what about Moore?

Moore?

 

[sago1]

But if Quinn's such a great coach and developer of QBs, why did Quinn not play well against the better college teams and why are their still questions about his accuracy. Would have thought Weis would have ironed all that out. Maybe Cowboys thought it would take 2-3 years before Quinn would play at the level they needed (Romo played for 5 games before his slide. Would Cowboys really be that mentioned. Does anyone remember that almost half of QBs taken in the first round are busts. That figures doesn't change whether 6 QBs are picked or 2 QBs are picked.

If fans want Quinn so much, I'm sure Jerry will acept their mortgages on their homes/car docs they fans proved wrong. He can always use more money to building up the Cowboydome as greated sports facility in the world.

 

[adamknite]

True, but that observation wasn't going to change what happened during the draft in the slightest.

Ohhh kay.... I don't think I get your point. Are you trying to say he wasn't worth the 22 overall pick? Or that we all should have known he'd fall that far? Or that that Browns shouldn't have given up so much because nobody else wanted him?

 

[miamicowboy21]

Guys don't worry about quinn. The team that will take a public thrashing will be the dolphins for bypassing him. The dolphins had a "DIRE" need at QB. I'm glad jerry traded down and got that extra #1.

 

[theogt]

THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT QUINN

 

[ndanger]

Confused?

 

[DallasEast]

Ohhh kay.... I don't think I get your point.

Are you trying to say he wasn't worth the 22 overall pick?

I didn't say that he wasn't worth the #22 overall pick. I've pointed out that, by understanding the events leading up to his eventual selection by the Browns, it's clear that Quinn wasn't going to be selected by any team before selection #23. It's only after the Browns made the trade that the possibility of Quinn being picked before #23 was going to happen.

Or that we all should have known he'd fall that far?

Nope. No one knew that, but that's not really relevent now, right? We now know what would have happened if the events unfolded as they actually did.

Or that that Browns shouldn't have given up so much because nobody else wanted him?

The Browns made the investment they thought was necessary to get Quinn before any team at or after pick #23, but following the teams which bypassing him in the first 21 picks.

 

[mmillman]

Cowboys did the right thing with the information that everyone has right now. I wish Dallas would have had a training camp, pre-season and a full season to really guage Romo. Bledsoe stunk and I said that when Dallas signed him.
That said, I wanted them to do exactly what they did with Buffalo and Losman. Unfortunately Buffalo went on a late season run and the pick didn't wind up as high as Dallas would have liked but Cleveland is worse than Buffalo was and the pick could turn into something special.

 

[DallasEast]

Quinn is old news; what about Moore?

Moore?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87210

Ohh! Nevermind.

Who knows? Maybe lightning will strike in the same place twice.

 

[Angus]

Moore?

Matt Moore. See http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87210

He was passed by even more teams in the draft, and has accomplished just as much in the NFL as Quinn has.

 

[dogunwo]

Are we going to have official game threads for every Cleveland game next season?

 

[adamknite]

I didn't say that he wasn't worth the #22 overall pick. I've pointed out that, by understanding the events leading up to his eventual selection by the Browns, it's clear that Quinn wasn't going to be selected by any team before selection #23. It's only after the Browns made the trade that the possibility of Quinn being picked before #23 was going to happen. Nope. No one knew that, but that's not really relevent now, right? We now know what would have happened if the events unfolded as they actually did. The Browns made the investment they thought was necessary to get Quinn before any team at or after pick #23, but following the teams which bypassing him in the first 21 picks.

So you're trying to say that you understand how he fell that far, and that it made perfect since? I think I'm still confused, I'm going to shut up before I look even more foolish.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But if Quinn's such a great coach and developer of QBs, why did Quinn not play well against the better college teams and why are their still questions about his accuracy. Would have thought Weis would have ironed all that out. Maybe Cowboys thought it would take 2-3 years before Quinn would play at the level they needed (Romo played for 5 games before his slide. Would Cowboys really be that mentioned. Does anyone remember that almost half of QBs taken in the first round are busts. That figures doesn't change whether 6 QBs are picked or 2 QBs are picked.

If fans want Quinn so much, I'm sure Jerry will acept their mortgages on their homes/car docs they fans proved wrong. He can always use more money to building up the Cowboydome as greated sports facility in the world.

I think that this post is a bit unfair. Quinn didn't actually play poorly in most of the Notre Dame losses. It is what it is and now it will be Cleveland who is ridiculed for the pick or hailed as visionaries for having the foresight to pick him.

However, remember that once upon a time, 26 of the then 28 teams in the league passed on Dan Marino. I'm not saying that Quinn is Dan Marino. What I am saying is that just because teams pass on players, it doesn't make the player horrible.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Fact #4: the Browns' draft strategy from the opening bell was to select the best offensive tackle on the board with their first round pick IF the Raiders and Lions bypassed Thomas AND no team attempted to leapfrog them.

Another fact is, Savage said that Quinn was in their top three. Considering that fact, and the fact that they took Thomas first means that Peterson was second and Quinn was the third on their draft chart. So, as long as Oakland and Detriot didn't take Thomas and Peterson with the first two picks, they weren't going to select Quinn with their first pick anyhow.