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We are going to sorely miss #9 when he finally hangs 'em up.
BubbleScreen;5097529 said:We are going to sorely miss #9 when he finally hangs 'em up.
FiveRings;5097528 said:Yeah but if you look at all the games people look to (Off the top of my head I guess it's Seattle, NYG, and Washington this year) Romo played decent enough to get a win. But the bottom line is that it's a team effort, but people like to forget Patrick Crayton's stone hands, and defenses that got ran all over.
KJJ;5097557 said:Of the 3 games you mentioned Romo had 5 turnovers in those games. He didn't play near well enough to get a win against Washington last Dec. That was a terrible performance by Romo in a game that had the division tile on the line and a playoff birth. He had 3 turnovers in that game and only completed 54.1% of his passes which was well below his 65.6% season average. He finished the game with a 55.9 passer rating which was his worst passer rating game of the season.
Of Alfred Morris's 200 yards rushing almost 70 of those yards came after Romo turnovers. Granted the defense played awful in that game but Romo's 3 turnovers kept putting the defense back on the field which didn't help their cause any. Yes Patrick Crayton dropped a big pass vs the Giants during the 07 playoffs but Romo only completed 50% of his passes that day he wasn't sharp. Against Seattle in the 06 playoffs Romo did play well enough to win. He outplayed Matt Hasselbeck but as we all know the game is remembered for Romo's mishandling of a snap on what might have been the game winning FG in the final minutes. It's going to take a SB ring for Romo to ever live that play down it's the play he's most remembered for. Jackie Smith was a HOF player who had many great games but he's only remembered for a dropped pass in the endzone in the SB.
Had a play like that occurred during week 5 of the regular season no one would even remember it and the same for Romo's mishandled snap. Against NY in the season finale in 2011 with the NFC East on the line and a playoff birth Romo didn't play bad but he missed some plays and had 2 turnovers. He missed a wide open Dez early in that game that would have led to a big play. Joe Montana is considered by most the greatest QB to ever play because of how he performed when it was all on the line. He had some bad games during the regular season where he looked hapless at times it happens to all QB's but when it was all on the line he played his best games.
Some forget that he turned the ball over 3 times vs the Cowboys in the 81 title game but when the game was on the line with less than a minute to play he pulled off one of the most memorable plays in NFL history. No one remembers his 3 turnovers we remember the one play to Clark that won that game. Most of Montana's greatest plays happened in the games with titles on the line. It's the plays to Clark and John Taylor to win the SB and Montana's 4 SB rings that defined his career. Those are the moments that QB's are judged by and are put into a time capsule. Romo has made some spectacular plays during his career but he can never make those amazing plays when the Cowboys season is down to do or die. Some of his absolute worst plays have come in the games that matter most.
He has 12 turnovers in the 7 elimination games he's played in. He's been a very good regular season QB but his do or die performances have been consistently marred by turnovers and poor play. These are the facts his stats and the results of those games don't lie and if some FANS can't accept it or simply want to close their eyes to it they're more than welcome to continue living in denial.
KJJ;5097557 said:Of the 3 games you mentioned Romo had 5 turnovers in those games. He didn't play near well enough to get a win against Washington last Dec. That was a terrible performance by Romo in a game that had the division tile on the line and a playoff birth. He had 3 turnovers in that game and only completed 54.1% of his passes which was well below his 65.6% season average. He finished the game with a 55.9 passer rating which was his worst passer rating game of the season.
Of Alfred Morris's 200 yards rushing almost 70 of those yards came after Romo turnovers. Granted the defense played awful in that game but Romo's 3 turnovers kept putting the defense back on the field which didn't help their cause any. Yes Patrick Crayton dropped a big pass vs the Giants during the 07 playoffs but Romo only completed 50% of his passes that day he wasn't sharp. Against Seattle in the 06 playoffs Romo did play well enough to win. He outplayed Matt Hasselbeck but as we all know the game is remembered for Romo's mishandling of a snap on what might have been the game winning FG in the final minutes. It's going to take a SB ring for Romo to ever live that play down it's the play he's most remembered for. Jackie Smith was a HOF player who had many great games but he's only remembered for a dropped pass in the endzone in the SB.
Had a play like that occurred during week 5 of the regular season no one would even remember it and the same for Romo's mishandled snap. Against NY in the season finale in 2011 with the NFC East on the line and a playoff birth Romo didn't play bad but he missed some plays and had 2 turnovers. He missed a wide open Dez early in that game that would have led to a big play. Joe Montana is considered by most the greatest QB to ever play because of how he performed when it was all on the line. He had some bad games during the regular season where he looked hapless at times it happens to all QB's but when it was all on the line he played his best games.
Some forget that he turned the ball over 3 times vs the Cowboys in the 81 title game but when the game was on the line with less than a minute to play he pulled off one of the most memorable plays in NFL history. No one remembers his 3 turnovers we remember the one play to Clark that won that game. Most of Montana's greatest plays happened in the games with titles on the line. It's the plays to Clark and John Taylor to win the SB and Montana's 4 SB rings that defined his career. Those are the moments that QB's are judged by and are put into a time capsule. Romo has made some spectacular plays during his career but he can never make those amazing plays when the Cowboys season is down to do or die. Some of his absolute worst plays have come in the games that matter most.
He has 12 turnovers in the 7 elimination games he's played in. He's been a very good regular season QB but his do or die performances have been consistently marred by turnovers and poor play. These are the facts his stats and the results of those games don't lie and if some FANS can't accept it or simply want to close their eyes to it they're more than welcome to continue living in denial.
DFWJC;5097567 said:I see ol KJJ rushed in to take a nice healthy dump on this thread.
Hope you feel better bro!
At least we do know he's not a true hater like 4-5 or notorious open raround here. Just frustrated, I'm sure who has had Tony's back occasionally, believe it or not.
Galian Beast;5097569 said:Tell me how many regular season elimination games Tom Brady has had.
This is what we call a self fulfilling prophecy.
Romo's team stinks, and though he puts them in a position to be able to make the playoffs, more often than not they fail to do so. Better quality teams don't even put their QB in this position, and thus the idea of regular season elimination games doesn't apply to them at all...
Romo is if anything a victim of his own talent and success.
Galian Beast;5097569 said:Tell me how many regular season elimination games Tom Brady has had.
This is what we call a self fulfilling prophecy.
Romo's team stinks, and though he puts them in a position to be able to make the playoffs, more often than not they fail to do so. Better quality teams don't even put their QB in this position, and thus the idea of regular season elimination games doesn't apply to them at all...
Romo is if anything a victim of his own talent and success.
I actually complimented you.KJJ;5097572 said:No need to get personal I made a truthful response to a comment made about Romo try following the trail. If hearing the truth about Romo bothers you add me to your ignore list. I don't hate Romo in the least I support him and have had his back plenty on this board check my archives. Some here simply have an agenda to focus on the negative comments I make concerning him choosing to ignore all the many positive comments I've made in support of him. Carry on!
DFWJC;5097573 said:Certainly last year that team had no business being in an elimination game.
You're right, the irony is that Romo gets far less grief if they go 6-10 and he doesn't drag them in to contention-- only to lose on the road to a red hot team that was much better prepared in week 17
5Stars;5097294 said:That is very true. Why his haters hate him is beyond me. If Romo was not on those teams the Cowboys would be lucky to win 8 games!
But I have learned to just consider the source of those posters and just move on.
TwoDeep3;5097597 said:After you make some remark with eleven smilies. Who do you think you're kidding?
5Stars;5097602 said:What you talking about, houndog?
Did my post hit a nerve?
TwoDeep3;5097609 said:You would like to think it hit a nerve. But I am just pointing out that you don't let anything go. You scream hater at the drop of a hat.
All it takes is for someone to bring up Romo's failures and you are there with the hater label.
DFWJC;5097584 said:I actually complimented you.
You're the one being sensitive.
I specifically said you are not a hater and have had Romo's back in the past....looks like you failed to read the entire post before reacting.
I know you're not UFC.
My point was that it seems if someone posts something fun and positive about Romo, there are those that just can't help pulling out those handful of bad games to blow it all up....as if we are not excruciatingly familiar with each of those losses already.
KJJ;5097583 said:Using Tom Brady's regular season elimination game record to defend Romo's performances in elimination games is ridiculous. LOL Tom Brady has appeared in 5 SB's which ties a record for SB appearances by a QB and has won 3 of them. He's considered by most as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. His elimination game performances speak for themselves. Has he won them all? No, but he's won a large number of them which is why he owns 3 SB rings. It's those 3 championships that have defined Brady's career.
Romo had a 13 win team in 07 that dominated the NFC during the regular season and twice defeated the team that went on to win the SB that year are you saying that team stunk? He had an 11 win team in 09 that finished that season with 2 consecutive shutouts and a blowout win over Philly in the playoffs did that team stink? Has it all been Romo's fault that the Cowboys keep coming up short every year absolutely not but he's contributed with a number of turnovers in critical games and inconsistent play. The Romo we're seeing in the highlight reel never shows up in the games that are do or die.
To say Romo is a victim of his own talent and success is silly. What causes him to receive so much criticism is his ability to produce and play at an exceptionally high level during most of the regular season only to watch his game come apart when it's down to win or go home. Just giving you the facts. When we start seeing highlight reels that include some great plays in the playoffs and SB that end with Romo hoisting the Lombardi trophy that's when the perception of him will change.
Galian Beast;5097638 said:What standard would you like to compare him to then?
The year Romo went 13-3, he lost to the Giants by 4 points... The same team that went on to win the Super Bowl... the same team that he beat twice earlier in the year. He also beats them if Crayton doesn't quit on a route.
Again, listen when someone breaks something down for you.
You've created a statistic that only applies to Romo, and it only applies to him because unlike other QBs he has to fully carry his team on his back.
Galian Beast;5097639 said:Define a do or die regular season game.