"You wouldn't make it in Pro-Football"

[AdamJT13]

Spare me the stats, Adam.

It was a joke.


And Spears is still a disappointment IMO. Whatever he's done he still hasn't backed up all that talk he was doing earlier.


And comparing anything to last year isn't exactly a good comparison IMO, but I'm sure you'll come up with some other "Stat" to show us all how great Dallas' D was last year.

Despite the fact that, again, my first post in this thread was a joke.

Yeah, I got the "joke." And Spears still is having a good season -- and not just compared to our defensive linemen last year. We haven't had a defensive lineman finish with more than five TFLs since 2002. Spears already has three, which is more than all of our other defensive linemen combined.

 

[AdamJT13]

Oh stats, cool.

He's also on pace to finish with even less tackles and sacks than he did last season.

See, works both ways.

No, Spears is on pace to finish with more sacks (and pressures) than he did last season. And his total tackles are irrelevant, given that our opponents are on pace for 355 rushing attempts, compared to 429 last season.

 

[PakiPride]

Yeah, I got the "joke." And Spears still is having a good season -- and not just compared to our defensive linemen last year. We haven't had a defensive lineman finish with more than five TFLs since 2002. Spears already has three, which is more than all of our other defensive linemen combined.

Agreed. Sometimes i think fans look at "sacks", and see how he has .5, and are very quick to not use their football knowledge and say he is a bust.

That "joke" wasn't funny at all IMO

 

[Crown Royal]

No, Spears is on pace to finish with more sacks (and pressures) than he did last season. And his total tackles are irrelevant, given that our opponents are on pace for 355 rushing attempts, compared to 429 last season.

Gosh, I'm sorry, you are right. he is on pace to finish with 1.5 sacks, half a sack more than last year, matching his rookie total. My apologies that I got that stat wrong. He IS killing out there.

And his tackles aren't irrelevant. He is on pace for nearly half as many tackles as he had last weekend. That rush total isn't exactly divided in two.

 

[iceberg]

Agreed. Sometimes i think fans look at "sacks", and see how he has .5, and are very quick to not use their football knowledge and say he is a bust.

That "joke" wasn't funny at all IMO

Gosh, I'm sorry, you are right. he is on pace to finish with 1.5 sacks, half a sack more than last year, matching his rookie total. My apologies that I got that stat wrong. He IS killing out there.

And his tackles aren't irrelevant. He is on pace for nearly half as many tackles as he had last weekend. That rush total isn't exactly divided in two.

heh, paki, you called that one. : )

 

[AdamJT13]

Gosh, I'm sorry, you are right. he is on pace to finish with 1.5 sacks, half a sack more than last year, matching his rookie total. My apologies that I got that stat wrong. He IS killing out there.

I didn't say he was piling up the sacks, I said he's having a good season and making plays.

And his tackles aren't irrelevant. He is on pace for nearly half as many tackles as he had last weekend. That rush total isn't exactly divided in two.

If he had a whopping two more tackles or assists, he'd be on pace for more tackles he had last season (adjusted for 21 percent fewer rushing attempts). I'd much rather have three tackles behind the line of scrimmage than two more tackles downfield.

 

[tunahelper]

That 9 tackles and 1/2 Gimme Sack of all Man!

 

[CF74]

tfl's

 

[Rack]

tfl's

C'mon Stephen, didn't you play defense in highschool?


Tackles For Loss

 

[dooomsday]

Spears is tied for the team lead with three TFLs. No defensive lineman finished last season with more than four, and he's almost there already. He's having a good season.

Huh. With all this talk I guess no one realized this is incorrect.

The guy has 9 total tackles. He had 1.5 TFLs.

Not only is he not tied for the lead, but the lead is not 3, Spencer has 3.5.

1.5 is quite average for a starting DE.

IMO- his play this year is average at best. Certainly not good.

Regardless of sacks, 9 tackles fills in the blanks. He neither sacks or tackles. I suppose he can hold a blocker. But that not what you pay your 1st round DE's to do. I watch him closely to see what he is up to and its pretty rare he is involved in a play.

 

[AdamJT13]

Huh. With all this talk I guess no one realized this is incorrect.

The guy has 9 total tackles. He had 1.5 TFLs.

Not only is he not tied for the lead, but the lead is not 3, Spencer has 3.5.

1.5 is quite average for a starting DE.

IMO- his play this year is average at best. Certainly not good.

Regardless of sacks, 9 tackles fills in the blanks. He neither sacks or tackles. I suppose he can hold a blocker. But that not what you pay your 1st round DE's to do. I watch him closely to see what he is up to and its pretty rare he is involved in a play.

I go by the stats taken from coaching film, not those kept in the pressbox at the game. The coaches credit Spears with three tackles for loss and 10 total tackles.

 

[dooomsday]

I go by the stats taken from coaching film, not those kept in the pressbox at the game. The coaches credit Spears with three tackles for loss and 10 total tackles.

Ohhh, those. LOL! You should have said so.

So let me get this straight, the "coaches" inflated Spears by double from 1.5 to 3 but they brought down Spencers by .5, from 3.5 to 3? So now after careful review they are even.

Spears coaches are more objective than 3rd party NFL statistician's? I forgot the moral fiber of coaches. They would never inflate their own teams stats.

Who are these mysterious "coaches" and how'd you get your mittens on their spread sheets?

 

[iceberg]

Ohhh, those. LOL! You should have said so.

So let me get this straight, the "coaches" inflated Spears by double from 1.5 to 3 but they brought down Spencers by .5, from 3.5 to 3? So now after careful review they are even.

Spears coaches are more objective than 3rd party NFL statistician's? I forgot the moral fiber of coaches. They would never inflate their own teams stats.

Who are these mysterious "coaches" and how'd you get your mittens on their spread sheets?

so cute when so young

 

[Randy White]

No kidding. And that's Marcus Spears. Imagine if it were a real football player.

 

[Randy White]

Ohhh, those. LOL! You should have said so.

So let me get this straight, the "coaches" inflated Spears by double from 1.5 to 3 but they brought down Spencers by .5, from 3.5 to 3? So now after careful review they are even.

Spears coaches are more objective than 3rd party NFL statistician's? I forgot the moral fiber of coaches. They would never inflate their own teams stats.

Who are these mysterious "coaches" and how'd you get your mittens on their spread sheets?

Uh, wrong guy to mess with, pardner.. You're on your own on that one.

 

[JakeCamp12]

Ohhh, those. LOL! You should have said so.

So let me get this straight, the "coaches" inflated Spears by double from 1.5 to 3 but they brought down Spencers by .5, from 3.5 to 3? So now after careful review they are even.

Spears coaches are more objective than 3rd party NFL statistician's? I forgot the moral fiber of coaches. They would never inflate their own teams stats.

Who are these mysterious "coaches" and how'd you get your mittens on their spread sheets?

Stephen, uh I mean Adam, just calls down to Wade's son and he brings them up to his office, duh......

 

[rexrobinson]

I didn't know that defensive ends in a 3-4 are judged by how many sacks they get as a measure of success in the NFL.

I think it is cliché' to say Spears is not playing up to his draft position. I have yet to see what he is doing wrong and have yet to see anyone clearly explain without a truckload of opinion to support their own version of the facts. I would just once like to see someone explain why he isn't any good in a technical way. I am sick of people pointing at his sack totals and claiming him a bust.

Its just like the Tony Romo thing where last year everyone was saying he will get exposed when they get more tape on him, but no one ever explained what the so called "tape" was showing on Romo. It was just the cool thing to say in the media and on the message boards.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ohhh, those. LOL! You should have said so.

So let me get this straight, the "coaches" inflated Spears by double from 1.5 to 3 but they brought down Spencers by .5, from 3.5 to 3? So now after careful review they are even.

Spears coaches are more objective than 3rd party NFL statistician's? I forgot the moral fiber of coaches. They would never inflate their own teams stats.

Who are these mysterious "coaches" and how'd you get your mittens on their spread sheets?

see the contradiction?

 

[Rack]

I didn't know that defensive ends in a 3-4 are judged by how many sacks they get as a measure of success in the NFL.

Depends on the scheme he's playing in.


And Parcells said plenty of times last year how Spears and Canty weren't getting enough pressure. What, you think a 3-4 DE only has to play if the offense runs the ball?

 

[AtomicDog]

No kidding. And that's Marcus Spears. Imagine if it were a real football player.

It was a funny joke and I admit I laughed heartily. But he does seem to be playing better this year than previous years. Not that it wouldn't be easy to improve upon.

I still have relatively high hopes for the young man.