Raiders low-ball offer to... Quinn??

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This is actually a nifty move by the Raiders, if true:

POSTED 3:48 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 4:07 p.m. EDT, April 25, 2007

RAIDERS LOWBALL QUINN

There's a potentially intriguing story developing at the top end of the draft. On Tuesday, we reported that the Raiders are negotiating with quarterback JaMarcus Russell, receiver Calvin Johnson, and quarterback Brady Quinn at the top of the draft.

As we reported roughly an hour ago on an unexpected (but much appreciated) appearance on The Dan Patrick Show, a league source tells us that the Raiders have made a "lowball" offer to Quinn.

The question, from Quinn's perspective, is whether the "lowball" is more than the "highball" he'd get at a lower draft position. In the NFL, the players are paid based on the slot in which they are drafted. At the top of round one, the drop from No. 1 to, say, No. 7 is steep.

So if Quinn isn't the No. 1 pick and if he ends up being picked by the Vikings at No. 7, the question is whether the Raiders' offer is worth more than what Quinn would get at No. 7. If it is, he should take the Raiders' offer -- especially since being the No. 1 overall pick would enhance (we believe) his off-field earning potential.

But there are some problems with this analysis. First, agent Tom Condon would never allow Quinn to take a lowball offer at No. 1, since the magnitude of the Quinn deal would then be used against Condon in future recruiting efforts by agents who would say to the potential client, "Condon got screwed by the Raiders on the Quinn deal."

The irony here, as we see it, is that Condon's allegiance to his own interests (if, in the end, his advice to Quinn is to not take the offer) really isn't that much different that Bill Henkel's allegiance to his own interests when he allegedly took a $75,000 kickback from a company that did a deal with his former client LaDainian Tomlinson.

In both cases, the agent advances his personal agenda at the direct financial expense of his client.

The second problem is that, if Quinn doesn't go No. 1, the key spot for him will be No. 3, where the Browns are believed to be debating whether to take Quinn or running back Adrian Peterson. So if Quinn turns down a "lowball" offer at No. 1, he'll be counting on landing at No. 3, where he'd possibly get paid almost as much via the slotting process as he would get under a "lowball" offer from the Raiders.

But Condon's firm, CAA, also represents Peterson. We've previously commented on the potential conflict of interest resulting from this arrangement; if Quinn isn't the guy at No. 1, the conflict at No. 3 comes into much sharper focus.

How in the hell does CAA walk that tightrope? An agent's only job at this time of year is to pimp his client. So if Quinn doesn't do a deal with the Raiders at No. 1, then Tom Condon of CAA will be calling the Browns to get them to take Quinn instead of Peterson, while Ben Dogra of CAA is calling the Browns to get them to take Peterson instead of Quinn.

The unknown factor in all of this is whether Quinn even wants to play for the Raiders, and whether any misgivings about playing for Oakland override his desire to be the No. 1 overall pick.

Still, if Quinn wants to go No. 1 for reasons other than the money, then someone needs to explain to him that the agency representing him has a very real conflict of interest that might be coloring the advice Quinn is getting.

Several years ago, Condon withdrew from the representation of Patriots tight end Benjamin Watson because (we heard at the time) Condon didn't want to be associated with a six-year deal for a player taken at the bottom of round one. In this specific case, it could be that Condon's best call is to walk away again.

Given the rule imposing a five-day waiting period before a new agent can be signed, however, Quinn would have to finish the Oakland deal without the benefit of an NFLPA-certified agent.

We don't know it's going to turn out. However it does, who would have thought that the presumptive No. 1 pick from a year ago at this time would fade from the top spot and then potentially re-emerge at the eleventh hour?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
 

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Lowball offer aside, if the Raiders select Brady Quinn with the #1 overall pick, they'll deserve their top 5 draft position in the following years.
 

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the question is, how soon are we going to hear that the Raiders have struck a deal w/ their #1 choice before the day of the draft?
 

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It would be smart for the Raiders to do this, offer contracts to multiple players for the 1st pick. In this case, they prefer Russell but would take Quinn at a bargain price. Word spreads about Quinn being offered a lower salary would make Russell accept the deal the Raiders do offer just so he doesn't drop and have to take a salary comparable to the one they were offering Quinn at a lower pick.
 

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There is so much speculation in this article it makes my head spin.

The thought of a team (in this case Cleveland) having their picked swayed based on agents calling them makes me chuckle heartily.
 

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Roughneck;1468496 said:
Lowball offer aside, if the Raiders select Brady Quinn with the #1 overall pick, they'll deserve their top 5 draft position in the following years.

They could select god to play QB for them and he'd get annihilated and end up on IR playing behind that OL. Doesn't matter who they pick, they'll still be picking in the top 5 next year.
 

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If Quinn is smart, he doesn't want to play for the Raiders. Realize it's all about money but I've always believe that one of the reasons almost half of the QBs picked #1 in the draft failed is because they play for lousy teams. Some of those teams do improve not only because of their QBs play but also because they continue to add the other necessary pieces to win.
 

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BQ should think about Carr and what happened to him behind a pathetic excuse of an O line. ANd BQ already KNOWS what it is like behind a less then good O line.
 

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Roughneck;1468496 said:
Lowball offer aside, if the Raiders select Brady Quinn with the #1 overall pick, they'll deserve their top 5 draft position in the following years.
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Roughneck;1468496 said:
Lowball offer aside, if the Raiders select Brady Quinn with the #1 overall pick, they'll deserve their top 5 draft position in the following years.

Don't be mad because ND wouldn't accept your application..
 

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yeah, the Irish do have rather high standards. Though they do make mistakes. They accepted Theisman.
 

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Rack;1468567 said:
They could select god to play QB for them and he'd get annihilated and end up on IR playing behind that OL. Doesn't matter who they pick, they'll still be picking in the top 5 next year.


I think god was a kicker...or a coach?

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McCordsville Cowboy;1468695 said:
Don't be mad because ND wouldn't accept your application..
Nah, never applied to Notre Dame. A little too far north for my taste.

Besides, why would I want to be accepted by an OOS University with inferior academics?

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Mortensen called into Patrick's radio show, immediately after Florio appeared on, and debunked this whole thing. Quinn's agent denied any offer was made, much less a lowball one.
 

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Rack;1468567 said:
They could select god to play QB for them and he'd get annihilated and end up on IR playing behind that OL. Doesn't matter who they pick, they'll still be picking in the top 5 next year.

I agree...they need alot of stuff, not just a QB

David
 

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dbair1967;1468772 said:
I agree...they need alot of stuff, not just a QB

David

Chances are, when you need "alot of stuff" QB is usually the best place to fix first.

The Raiders would be fools to ignore the QB position, but that is another question.

I do not believe any of the top two prospects are solutions.
 

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Alexander;1468782 said:
Chances are, when you need "alot of stuff" QB is usually the best place to fix first.

The Raiders would be fools to ignore the QB position, but that is another question.

I do not believe any of the top two prospects are solutions.

thats why I wouldnt want to be in their shoes...niether Russell nor Quinn are anywhere near an Elway or Aikman type prospect, and thats the only way I'd ant to use the #1 overall pick and pay all the money tied to it for a QB

but when you royally suck everywhere on offense, you have to start somewhere

David
 

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Alexander;1468782 said:
Chances are, when you need "alot of stuff" QB is usually the best place to fix first.

The Raiders would be fools to ignore the QB position, but that is another question.

I do not believe any of the top two prospects are solutions.

I agree. Which is why they should just to the smart thing and draft Calvin Johnson.


Calvin Johnson >>>>>> Russell and Quinn put together X 109896742197416747
 

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Rack;1468883 said:
I agree. Which is why they should just to the smart thing and draft Calvin Johnson.

Exactly. I don't see how there's even any debate about it.
 
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