Raiders rumored to be interested in Mike Mayock as their personnel guy

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Raiders to hire TV draft expert?

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on May 3rd, 2007

If the television draft gurus are so good, why aren't they working for NFL teams?

The Raiders apparently think the NFL Network's Mike Mayock is more than a talking head, endlessly spouting the worth of upsides and 3-cone drills.

The word I'm getting is Mayock, who worked for ABC Sports, CBS Sports and Fox Sports Net before becoming Mel Kiper Jr.'s chief competition for the league-run NFL Network, is a serious candidate to become a personnel executive with the Raiders.

Mayock is one of a number of possibilities for what is seen as the inevitable replacement of Mike Lombardi.

Lombardi was involved in a much-publicized rift with Art Shell last season, with the former Raiders coach blaming the personnel man for being the source of anonymous quotes given to various media outlets criticizing the Shell regime in general and offensive coordinator Tom Walsh in particular.

Lombardi retained his position after Shell was fired and was even seen on the field at a recent voluntary minicamp practice. He had been banned from the practice field by Shell and was usually taking a jog around the Raiders facility during practice.

Why did Lombardi survive so long?

Because he had information regarding free agency and the Raiders' draft. Now that the Raiders team is virtually set except for a second wave of free agency, Lombardi can be freed to look for another job.

Mayock has been in television since 1996, even working as a reporter for NCAA Tournament basketball coverage from 1997-99, but was a safety at Boston College and was drafted by Pittsburgh Steelers in the 10th round of the 1981 NFL draft. His NFL career consisted of nine games for the New York Giants in 1982 and 1983.

While Lombardi had some administrative duties he assumed at the outset after Bruce Allen left to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, chances are Mayock, if he were hired, would concentrate on personnel.

Al Davis has the final say in all personnel matters, with Kiffin having more input than any other Raiders coach by virtue of his recruiting background at USC. Many of the administrative duties once handled by Allen are in the hands of Mark Jackson, Kiffin's hand-picked choice as director of football development.

Another name to keep in mind is Pat Kirwan, also an analyst for the NFL Network and NFLcom. Kirwan has a background in both coaching and personnel with the New York Jets.

Kirwan is close friends with USC coach Pete Carroll and is often seen on the sidelines at USC games, where Kiffin worked as an assistant coach.

The first whiff of Detroit quarterback Josh McCown coming to the Raiders came from a Kirwan report, and he was steadfast in his belief the Raiders would deal for McCown and draft Russell.

In Kirwan's recent story on NFL.com, he notes that Keyshawn Johnson was picked No. 1 overall by the Jets on his watch, and floats the idea that, "I always thought Johnson would finish his career on the West Coast, probably as a Raider."

Lane Kiffin, in a radio interivew on Fox Sports Radio, told host Chris Myers the other day he just happened to be watching a video cut-up of Johnson in action for the Carolina Panthers last season but was vague regarding his level of interest.

The Panthers cut Johnson a day after drafting another USC receiver, Dwayne Jarrett, in the second round.

In 2003, Kirwan, working on behalf of agent David Dunn, helped prepare Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer for the NFL draft. Kirwan ranked Palmer as his top prospect on NFL.com, while at the same time accepting the a free from the agent.

The NFL concluded there was no conflict of interest.

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Crazy.

If I were going to pick a TV person it would be Pat Kirwan. At least he has professional experience.
 

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CrazyCowboy;1487710 said:
This seems like a strange qualification for that job.

Not really. Both Joel Buchsbaum and Mel Kiper have been offered NFL jobs in the past.
 

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I think I would try to steal some strong drafting teams top scout.
 

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I actually like Mayock and Adam Schaffer, they couldn't be as bad as the Cowboys scout b4 Ireland got here.............
 

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Alexander;1487714 said:
Not really. Both Joel Buchsbaum and Mel Kiper have been offered NFL jobs in the past.

It is a shame Joel is no longer with us...missed his takes on players.

I have to wonder if Joel would not have taken a job if it were not for some of his problems with social settings.
 

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Q_the_man;1487786 said:
I actually like Mayock and Adam Schaffer, they couldn't be as bad as the Cowboys scout b4 Ireland got here.............

Schefter is just a reporter.

That is like saying John Clayton is qualified to be a scout.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1487808 said:
It is a shame Joel is no longer with us...missed his takes on players.

I have to wonder if Joel would not have taken a job if it were not for some of his problems with social settings.

Buchsbaum was a hermit and a primarily a film guy. He was an astute student of the game and seemed to have a real grasp of what it took to become a pro. While he wasn't always right, he provided some real insight into football talent. He was offered several jobs with NFL teams, but he just could not bring himself to become the social being that would be required.
 

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Phrozen Phil;1487861 said:
Buchsbaum was a hermit and a primarily a film guy. He was an astute student of the game and seemed to have a real grasp of what it took to become a pro. While he wasn't always right, he provided some real insight into football talent. He was offered several jobs with NFL teams, but he just could not bring himself to become the social being that would be required.

Yes that is why I said social problems. Guy was great but those social problems would have made it next to impossible.

Kind of sad reading about all of those things after his passing.
 

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WoodysGirl;1487701 said:
Raiders to hire TV draft expert?

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on May 3rd, 2007

If the television draft gurus are so good, why aren't they working for NFL teams?

The Raiders apparently think the NFL Network's Mike Mayock is more than a talking head, endlessly spouting the worth of upsides and 3-cone drills.

The word I'm getting is Mayock, who worked for ABC Sports, CBS Sports and Fox Sports Net before becoming Mel Kiper Jr.'s chief competition for the league-run NFL Network, is a serious candidate to become a personnel executive with the Raiders.

Mayock is one of a number of possibilities for what is seen as the inevitable replacement of Mike Lombardi.

Lombardi was involved in a much-publicized rift with Art Shell last season, with the former Raiders coach blaming the personnel man for being the source of anonymous quotes given to various media outlets criticizing the Shell regime in general and offensive coordinator Tom Walsh in particular.

Lombardi retained his position after Shell was fired and was even seen on the field at a recent voluntary minicamp practice. He had been banned from the practice field by Shell and was usually taking a jog around the Raiders facility during practice.

Why did Lombardi survive so long?

Because he had information regarding free agency and the Raiders' draft. Now that the Raiders team is virtually set except for a second wave of free agency, Lombardi can be freed to look for another job.

Mayock has been in television since 1996, even working as a reporter for NCAA Tournament basketball coverage from 1997-99, but was a safety at Boston College and was drafted by Pittsburgh Steelers in the 10th round of the 1981 NFL draft. His NFL career consisted of nine games for the New York Giants in 1982 and 1983.

While Lombardi had some administrative duties he assumed at the outset after Bruce Allen left to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, chances are Mayock, if he were hired, would concentrate on personnel.

Al Davis has the final say in all personnel matters, with Kiffin having more input than any other Raiders coach by virtue of his recruiting background at USC. Many of the administrative duties once handled by Allen are in the hands of Mark Jackson, Kiffin's hand-picked choice as director of football development.

Another name to keep in mind is Pat Kirwan, also an analyst for the NFL Network and NFLcom. Kirwan has a background in both coaching and personnel with the New York Jets.

Kirwan is close friends with USC coach Pete Carroll and is often seen on the sidelines at USC games, where Kiffin worked as an assistant coach.

The first whiff of Detroit quarterback Josh McCown coming to the Raiders came from a Kirwan report, and he was steadfast in his belief the Raiders would deal for McCown and draft Russell.

In Kirwan's recent story on NFL.com, he notes that Keyshawn Johnson was picked No. 1 overall by the Jets on his watch, and floats the idea that, "I always thought Johnson would finish his career on the West Coast, probably as a Raider."

Lane Kiffin, in a radio interivew on Fox Sports Radio, told host Chris Myers the other day he just happened to be watching a video cut-up of Johnson in action for the Carolina Panthers last season but was vague regarding his level of interest.

The Panthers cut Johnson a day after drafting another USC receiver, Dwayne Jarrett, in the second round.

In 2003, Kirwan, working on behalf of agent David Dunn, helped prepare Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer for the NFL draft. Kirwan ranked Palmer as his top prospect on NFL.com, while at the same time accepting the a free from the agent.

The NFL concluded there was no conflict of interest.

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I regularly watch the NFL Network (which does not make me a guru, by any means) but Mayock seems to be right on most of the time. His insight into team "needs" appears to be a lot more than just superficial. His insight leading up to the draft this year was "spot on". His analysis seems to be very unbiased.

BTW ..... I had never heard of our 4th rounder before the draft and he was glowing in his remarks about him. He called him "extremely talented" and his closing remarks on him was "get him on the field".
 

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Alexander;1487704 said:
Crazy.

If I were going to pick a TV person it would be Pat Kirwan. At least he has professional experience.
Kirwan's a 'tard as well. That's certainly a lesser of two evils pick there.
 

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RAIDERS MADE RUN AT MAYOCK A YEAR AGO

As a follow-up to the report from Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com regarding the possibility that the Raiders will hire NFLN draft guru Mike Mayock as a personnel executive, sources tell us that the Raiders considered hiring Mayock a year ago.

Mayock, we're told, didn't get an offer at the time. It could be that owner Al Davis was thinking about dumping Mike Lombardi, but in the end decided not to do so.

Lombardi is widely expected to leave the organization, either voluntarily or otherwise. Several league sources told us that the veteran personnel guy was frozen out of the team's draft preparation, which is essentially the kiss of death.

A reader has suggested that the Raiders stand pat. Reasoned the reader, "He's the only thing named Lombardi that the Raiders will come close to acquiring for the foreseeable future."
 

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If Kiper had read this rumor, I would have loved being a fly on the wall. His facial expressions could've been interpreted as: "Why aren't I ever mentioned in these types of rumors? Boo hoo hoo."
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1488150 said:
Mayock played in the NFL for a long time and knows how to evaluate players. Kirwin stinks!

Courtesy Wikipedia.com


Mike Mayock, and I quote:

"Pro Career
He was drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 10th round (#265) of the 1981 NFL Draft. His playing career was with the New York Giants from 1982 to 1984."

That sure is a long career huh. HOF worthy for sure:p:
 
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