Ramsey, what am I missing?

[ghst187]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.

 

[waving monkey]

This draft is Swiss cheese. But his rated so highly by everyone.
Trade down seem like they'll be hard to find so Ramsey would be fine
considering all the players have holes in their game

 

[darthseinfeld]

Just the simple fact we pick 4th and we probably won't be able to draft the top DB goes to show how weak the draft is

 

[Macnalty]

Just the simple fact we pick 4th and we probably won't be able to draft the top DB goes to show how weak the draft is

I disagree this draft is stacked with Defensive lineman that are superior and elite in talent(we are in deficit of up the middle pressure IMO). QB class is one of the subpar parts of draft 2016 and that hurts us the most, as our future without Romo is well within sight.

 

[kevinhickey]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.[/quote

I don't think the pass rushers (Bosa and Buckner) are as high on Dallas draft board as Ramsey and we will be down two corners after the 2016 season. I think Ramsey and Jack would help improve this defence. Elliott would make a Hugh impact, running behind this line. I also believe that selecting a QB, and I think one of either Goff or Wentz will be there at 4, is a smart choice because; we wouldn't have to give away future draft picks to get one. I guess it all comes down to who is going to be there when we pick and staying true to our board.

 

[Denim Chicken]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.

I believe the narrative is that offenses did not throw the ball his way.

 

[CATCH17]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.

Ramsey makes big impacts on games whether or not he gets turnovers.

Just watch some FSU games and you'll see quickly why he is a top 5 pick.

He has superstar potential imo at corner or safety.

 

[DFWJC]

Ramsey is going to be a great player, but I do think Dallas has a somewhat similar (lesser) player already in Jones.
Yet Ramsey is possibly the draft's best overall player.
Having said that, in the perfect world, I'd rather not use the 4th overall for him.

Just a note...But people avoided Ramsey like the plague. he will have a ton of ints in the pros...imo.
And as for Jones last year, a DBs rookie year does not indicate how he'll be long term.

 

[casmith07]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.

You're not missing anything. It's the NFL Draft. Literally every kid coming out is a dice roll.

 

[tyke1doe]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.

Get enough star talent in the secondary, and watch the picks start coming in.

I think the "lack of picks" argument is a bit shallow. You have to take into consideration a number of variables:
1. What was the coverage?
2. Where was the ball thrown?
3. Were there opportunities to make picks?
4. What was the pass rush like?

If the ball is hitting Jones or Ramsey square in the hands and they're dropping the ball, that's one thing. But I don't recall Jones having many opportunities to make a break on the ball.

Now, granted, I haven't analyzed every play Ramsey has made, but I would think a breakdown of every play, taking into account the variables I outlined above, would give more indication of his future as a ball hawk than just looking at the fact he has minimal interceptions.

My son plays cornerback in high school (he has a game on ESPN this upcoming season). Every year he's played the position, if the quarterback targets the receiver on his side, he gets an interception. He had only one last year. But it's hard to pile up interceptions when quarterbacks don't throw to your side.

It's frustrating, but it's the life of a cornerback, particularly a shutdown corner.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I disagree this draft is stacked with Defensive lineman that are superior and elite in talent(we are in deficit of up the middle pressure IMO). QB class is one of the subpar parts of draft 2016 and that hurts us the most, as our future without Romo is well within sight.

For real. There is quality dline guys into the 4th round

 

[stilltheguru88]

Ramsey makes big impacts on games whether or not he gets turnovers.

Just watch some FSU games and you'll see quickly why he is a top 5 pick.

He has superstar potential imo at corner or safety.

He will be mo Claiborne as a corner vs the pass but he'd play the run way better. As a safety he'd be a hall of fame. In other words Dallas would make him a corner and new England would make him a safety.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Ramsey makes big impacts on games whether or not he gets turnovers.

Just watch some FSU games and you'll see quickly why he is a top 5 pick.

He has superstar potential imo at corner or safety.

Ramsey placed fear in opposing teams. Dude is all over the field, sacks, qb pressures, TFL, coverage, bat down passes at the line, PBU, INT's

He is a safety through and through

 

[CATCH17]

He will be mo Claiborne as a corner vs the pass but he'd play the run way better. As a safety he'd be a hall of fame. In other words Dallas would make him a corner and new England would make him a safety.

I don't think he would be.

Too big and too physical with the athletic ability to not be a great corner.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I don't think he would be.

Too big and too physical with the athletic ability to not be a great corner.

Being a corner is about good feet and hip flexibility not athletic ability. Ramsey 3 cone was weak too. My opinion. The Sherman comparison is off when you look at 3 cone.

 

[btcutter]

obviously the guy is an amazing athlete and can be a good safety and possibly also play corner....but we got that player last year and ended up with zero INTs to show for it. Ramsey has 3 career INTs, 3!
Our last highly graded top of the draft safety Roy Williams had 7 career INTs in one less season than Ramsey.
Don't get me wrong, obviously Ramsey is a big upgrade over our horrid safeties, but with the four pick I want turnovers and that's not something he has been proven to do.

I am sure he'll be a excellent S. But do we want to invest TWO 1st round picks at S position?
I maybe in the minority. But I rather take Bosa whom I think is the next Jared Allen and Joseph S or CB in the 2nd.

 

[AzorAhai]

2. Where was the ball thrown?

Everywhere except where Ramsey was. Teams completely game planned away from Ramsey and routinely ran him away from where they wanted the ball. It's hard to make plays on the ball when it's always thrown to someone 20 yards away.

 

[btcutter]

Everywhere except where Ramsey was. Teams completely game planned away from Ramsey and routinely ran him away from where they wanted the ball. It's hard to make plays on the ball when it's always thrown to someone 20 yards away.

I know what you are saying but it never stopped Ed Reed or Polumalu (sp).

 

[Killerinstinct]

In Tenn the debate is do we draft for need (Tunsil) or take the superstar in making(Ramsey)?
In Cle the debate is do we draft for need (Qb) or take the superstar in making(Ramsey).?
In SD the debate is do we draft for need(Pass rush) or take the superstar in making(Ramsey)?
In Dallas the debate is do we draft for need(Pass rush) Draft for the future(QB) or take the superstar in making(Ramsey)?
In Jacksonville and Balt the debate is could we possibly be lucky enough to see the best player in the draft fall to us because other teams are drafting for need?

Some think the debate is whether Ramsey is a CB or S but most think he is great at both and teams view him as a fit depending on what their needs are. Teams that need CB see him as a CB. Teams that need S see him as a S.

He has great hands and the lack of INT's has more to do with teams avoiding him than with a lack of abiity to get INT's.

We will be lucky if he is there at 4 and should snatch him up if he is.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I am sure he'll be a excellent S. But do we want to invest TWO 1st round picks at S position?
I maybe in the minority. But I rather take Bosa whom I think is the next Jared Allen and Joseph S or CB in the 2nd.

Why can't we invest 2 first rounders in safeties? Safety position is what makes Seattle go, not Richard Sherman. Take away one of the safeties they look weak. I'm not saying Sherman is replaceable but it's harder to replace Kam and earl. Byron and jalen shrink the field.