Randle says "Murray left a lot of meat on the bone"

[ABQCOWBOY]

we will never know. I would bet if we could have stopped a limping Rodger we could have won the game. I think pinning it on one when there was other factors is not right.

I would agree with that. However, we were never going to stop the one legged Rodgers. That was just never us all year I felt. At the time, I posted the fact that if we were going to win this game, we would need to control the clock through the running game and not turn the ball over. I was certainly not the only one who believed that, there were many including yourself if memory serves. In retrospect, it's proven true. In short, we never had a chance to stop Rodgers with the rush IMO. We did have a chance to beat them with Offensive execution. If we had been able to sack Rodgers one more time in that game, I don't think it makes a difference. However, if we had been able to avoid that one fumble, I think we win.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would agree with that. However, we were never going to stop the one legged Rodgers. That was just never us all year I felt. At the time, I posted the fact that if we were going to win this game, we would need to control the clock through the running game and not turn the ball over. I was certainly not the only one who believed that, there were many including yourself if memory serves. In retrospect, it's proven true. In short, we never had a chance to stop Rodgers with the rush IMO. We did have a chance to beat them with Offensive execution. If we had been able to sack Rodgers one more time in that game, I don't think it makes a difference. However, if we had been able to avoid that one fumble, I think we win.

Look I will not pin the loss on 1 guy, there were other mistakes made in the game and saying well it was all Murray? Come on Dallas is not even in this situation without the play of Murray. If others want to dump on him, fine I have no desire to dump on a guy who did as much as he did for the Cowboys. I will say his fumble was a contributing factor but with the lead still in hand and the next possession Dallas scores a TD on a Murray TD I'm not joining in on it was Murray fault.

 

[tyke1doe]

I would agree with that. However, we were never going to stop the one legged Rodgers. That was just never us all year I felt. At the time, I posted the fact that if we were going to win this game, we would need to control the clock through the running game and not turn the ball over. I was certainly not the only one who believed that, there were many including yourself if memory serves. In retrospect, it's proven true. In short, we never had a chance to stop Rodgers with the rush IMO. We did have a chance to beat them with Offensive execution. If we had been able to sack Rodgers one more time in that game, I don't think it makes a difference. However, if we had been able to avoid that one fumble, I think we win.

All we needed was one guy to grab him, bear hug him and put all his weight on Rodgers as they both fell to the ground.

Just one.

Was that too much to ask for?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look I will not pin the loss on 1 guy, there were other mistakes made in the game and saying well it was all Murray? Come on Dallas is not even in this situation without the play of Murray. If others want to dump on him, fine I have no desire to dump on a guy who did as much as he did for the Cowboys

Not asking you too. However, I am saying that if we score there, I believe we win. No amount of you not wanting to pin something on one player is going to alter my perception. It is what it is. You don't agree and thats OK but you don't have to agree. I believe that fumble cost us there.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not asking you too. However, I am saying that if we score there, I believe we win. No amount of you not wanting to pin something on one player is going to alter my perception. It is what it is. You don't agree and thats OK but you don't have to agree. I believe that fumble cost us there.

true that is your perception.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The more interesting question, to me at least, is what happens if Murray doesn't fumble there and goes on to score and we win? I wonder if Murray would still be in Dallas? We'll never know the answer to that either but I wonder about it?

 

[hornitosmonster]

I remember during game day threads that many around here said Murray hit the wrong hole and left yards to the field. In addition to all his fumbling (which we all knew was going to happen on almost a weekly basis)

 

[big dog cowboy]

Its like Tim Tebow telling the media that Peyton Manning needs to work on his completion percentage.

 

[Doomsday101]

The more interesting question, to me at least, is what happens if Murray doesn't fumble there and goes on to score and we win? I wonder if Murray would still be in Dallas? We'll never know the answer to that either but I wonder about it?

Not sure that would have changed what Dallas was willing to offer. Early in the season Dallas was not making more than a 4 mill a year offer and while that did go up to 6 mill I think Dallas had a ceiling on what they were going to pay the RB position. As you said that is pure speculation on my part.

 

[Doomsday101]

I remember during game day threads that many around here said Murray hit the wrong hole and left yards to the field. In addition to all his fumbling (which we all knew was going to happen on almost a weekly basis)

again while he had 8 fumbles over the 1st 8 games of the season he had 0 fumbles in the 9 games leading up to the GB game. 9 games in a row and 240 touches rushing and receiving without a fumble.

 

[erod]

Romo had a hand in the SF loss as well. Murray had 5 fumbles in the 1st 8 games, he had 0 fumbles in the next 9 games. I don't excuse the fumbles but he has never had fumbling issues in the past.
As for regretting taking the money I'm sorry I don't blame players for taking a 8 mill over 6 mill. I can't stand Philly but lets not kid ourselves they have been a very competitive team in the NFC East and I think Murray will be a big help to them especially in areas the eagles have struggled in such as short yardage and goal line offense. I don't expect Murray to reproduce the same season he just had, even if he had remained in Dallas. He is not going to get the same amount of carries he did last season but he is still a very good all around RB and should be a big help to Philly.

I think he's an odd fit in Philly. The shotgun spread offense is not his game. He's a deep tailback type of runner, and even if they line him up behind the shotgun QB, it's still awkward for him. It's more suited for Lesean McCoy.

Plus, they have Matthews and Sproles at pretty big dollars, so Murray's touches will be limited. He's a workhorse type, not the 8-10 carry type of back.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think he's an odd fit in Philly. The shotgun spread offense is not his game. He's a deep tailback type of runner, and even if they line him up behind the shotgun QB, it's still awkward for him. It's more suited for Lesean McCoy.

Plus, they have Matthews and Sproles at pretty big dollars, so Murray's touches will be limited. He's a workhorse type, not the 8-10 carry type of back.

why similar to what he ran when he was at OU with Bradford.

 

[erod]

again while he had 8 fumbles over the 1st 8 games of the season he had 0 fumbles in the 9 games leading up to the GB game. 9 games in a row and 240 touches rushing and receiving without a fumble.

But he was getting most of his yards when he was fumbling, and when he stopped the fumbling, his yardage production diminished sharply.

 

[erod]

why similar to what he ran when he was at OU with Bradford.

Nope, I'm an OU fan. He lined up seven yards deep there just like Adrian Peterson did. Often with a fullback, too.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nope, I'm an OU fan. He lined up seven yards deep there just like Adrian Peterson did. Often with a fullback, too.

Bradford and Murray seem to disagree with your assessment.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think he's an odd fit in Philly. The shotgun spread offense is not his game. He's a deep tailback type of runner, and even if they line him up behind the shotgun QB, it's still awkward for him. It's more suited for Lesean McCoy.

Plus, they have Matthews and Sproles at pretty big dollars, so Murray's touches will be limited. He's a workhorse type, not the 8-10 carry type of back.

I think the traditional I Formation is probably the best fit for Murray as well but honestly, he's played a lot of 11 and 12 personnel sets in Dallas, prior to last year. I think he will do OK with that in Philly. If he has a problem, I think it's going to be more around his ability to stay healthy and be as strong a runner as he was last year. I think Philly knows that as well. That's why they brought in multiple guys.

 

[Doomsday101]

But he was getting most of his yards when he was fumbling, and when he stopped the fumbling, his yardage production diminished sharply.

He broke Jim Brown record over the 1st 8 games I doubt anyone would expect that to hold up through out the season. However his season high came in week 14 with 179 yards rushing and still produced 100 plus yard games 5 games

 

[AsthmaField]

There were lots of opportunities to win that game, it's true. However, I would bet just about anything on the fact that if Murray doesn't fumble and we score a TD on that play, or better yet, have a long gain deep in Packer Territory and then power it in after taking even more time off the clock, the Cowboys win that game. I like Murray and I wished he were still a Cowboy but, I believe that if he doesn't fumble, we are in the NFC Conference Championship. JMO

The swing in momentum on that play was enormous. Green Bay was becoming demoralized at that point, and a run down inside the redzone and then a subsequent TD a few plays later would have really been a dagger in Green Bay's heart.

We can't know for sure... but I think that might have been something the Packers couldn't have come back from.

At the end of that play, Green Bay and the entire stadium could have been shaking their heads thinking, "we can't stop their run game". Instead, everyone in the house went nuts and the Packers got a huge shot of adrenaline.

I don't think it can be overstated how huge that play was.

Considering how vulnerable the Seahawks were the next week and how New England played in the big game... it is possible that Murray's fumble cost the Cowboys a super bowl title.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[daveferr33]

I take greater exception in what Murray said when he went to Philly:

"I felt that this was a great opportunity for me to win a Super Bowl, at the end of the day," Murray said Thursday at his introductory news conference. "It wasn't about the financial security or anything like that."

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ladelphia-chip-kelly-dallas-cowboys/70209606/

Now, I am pretty sure Murray is just lying here. But if it wasn't about money, it must have been because Murray believed he had a better chance at winning a Super Bowl in Philly than in Dallas.

I'll take Randle's off the cuff honesty (however naive the expression of it may have been) over Murray's duplicity.