Randle says "Murray left a lot of meat on the bone"

[AsthmaField]

 

[hornitosmonster]

again while he had 8 fumbles over the 1st 8 games of the season he had 0 fumbles in the 9 games leading up to the GB game. 9 games in a row and 240 touches rushing and receiving without a fumble.

And boom, biggest fumble of his life. That one is worse than the eight over eight games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Right.

Here's a Memo....


_________________________________________________________________________________

MEMORANDUM
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To: Joseph Randle

From: DeMarco Murray

CC: NFL Football Fans

Date: 5/28/2015

Subject: Things that should be left on the shelf.


JoRan,

Congratulations on your new opportunity to be the Starter on the Dallas Cowboys. As a reminder of sorts, wanted to pass this on to you. Things that should be left on the shelf list.

Underwear
Cologne
Meat on the bone comments

Best of luck to you Joseph.

DM

 

[mickswag]

 

[Doomsday101]

And boom, biggest fumble of his life. That one is worse than the eight over eight games.

I don't know of any good fumbles lets not forget he also had 123 rushing with a TD. After Murray fumble GB was able to put 3 on the board but Dallas still lead. Next drive Murray has a 30 yard run and puts it in on the next play for the TD to extend the lead Dallas then gives up 14 straight points when Moore blew his coverage on Davante Adams for a 46 yard TD catch and run. Moore had been solid for much of the year on this day he had his butt handed to him.

 

[AsthmaField]

Oh Snap!

Frankly, anyone who knows football understands that Demarco didn't have great vision and did leave a lot of yards out there.

It is a big reason why I'm glad Dallas didn't match Philly's offer.

Still, Demarco was a good player and really gave Dallas everything he had.

 

[erod]

Bradford and Murray seem to disagree with your assessment.

Saw every game he played there. See for yourself.



OU uses a pro multi-set offense. A lot of I-formation, single back, split back, and spread.

 

[erod]

He broke Jim Brown record over the 1st 8 games I doubt anyone would expect that to hold up through out the season. However his season high came in week 14 with 179 yards rushing and still produced 100 plus yard games 5 games

Any of Dallas' back could have had 179 against that crappy Bears defense that night. In fact, Randle had by far the best run of the night. And as much as they gave him the ball behind that line, 100 yards wasn't really that big of a deal. His ypg went considerably down the second half of the season.

But hey, I don't want to rip Murray. I love the guy, and he was good. But $8 million good? Not by a long shot.

 

[Doomsday101]

Any of Dallas' back could have had 179 against that crappy Bears defense that night. In fact, Randle had by far the best run of the night. And as much as they gave him the ball behind that line, 100 yards wasn't really that big of a deal. His ypg went considerably down the second half of the season.

But hey, I don't want to rip Murray. I love the guy, and he was good. But $8 million good? Not by a long shot.

I'm sure they could I will hold our backs to do just that, No excuse I expect our RB to play at a pro bowl level, I expect them to work out of the backfield and to protect the QB on blitz NO EXCUSES. Murray could do it so anyone can do it.

 

[erod]

I think the traditional I Formation is probably the best fit for Murray as well but honestly, he's played a lot of 11 and 12 personnel sets in Dallas, prior to last year. I think he will do OK with that in Philly. If he has a problem, I think it's going to be more around his ability to stay healthy and be as strong a runner as he was last year. I think Philly knows that as well. That's why they brought in multiple guys.

Chip doesn't like his QB under center. And 11 and 12 personnel still put him deep in the backfield. The fullback isn't the issue.

Murray isn't as effective lining up next to the QB, and that's what Chip does with his backs. He'll have to greatly change his offense to accommodate Murray's strengths, and I don't know if he'd do that with his beloved offense.

 

[erod]

I'm sure they could I will hold our backs to do just that, No excuse I expect our RB to play at a pro bowl level, I expect them to work out of the backfield and to protect the QB on blitz NO EXCUSES. Murray could do it so anyone can do it.

Murray's pass protection was highly overrated. He didn't always recognize blitzes. I KNOW McFadden will be better at that part of the job because he's excellent at it.

The thing Dallas could miss about Murray are the tough five-yard runs. Not sure if any of these guys have that ability, although they have other attributes that Murray does not.

That's why I want Peterson so much, because he's basically just a faster and quicker version of Murray with MUCH better vision and the same tough running capability.

 

[Doomsday101]

Murray's pass protection was highly overrated. He didn't always recognize blitzes. I KNOW McFadden will be better at that part of the job because he's excellent at it.

The thing Dallas could miss about Murray are the tough five-yard runs. Not sure if any of these guys have that ability, although they have other attributes that Murray does not.

That's why I want Peterson so much, because he's basically just a faster and quicker version of Murray with MUCH better vision and the same tough running capability.

You are right Murray and his pickups over rated and your solution is to get AP? wow says a lot about Murray anyone can do his job yet AP is the guy to do it. No thanks giving up a 1st rd pick for a player for 1 to 2 years of play?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Chip doesn't like his QB under center. And 11 and 12 personnel still put him deep in the backfield. The fullback isn't the issue.

Murray isn't as effective lining up next to the QB, and that's what Chip does with his backs. He'll have to greatly change his offense to accommodate Murray's strengths, and I don't know if he'd do that with his beloved offense.

Remains to be seen. I mean, I've already said that I think he does better as a set back from a traditional running formation but he did for years, lined up along side Tony out of the shotgun. He can do it I think. Will he be as effective? Don't know. We'll have to see.

 

[erod]

You are right Murray and his pickups over rated and your solution is to get AP? wow says a lot about Murray anyone can do his job yet AP is the guy to do it. No thanks giving up a 1st rd pick for a player for 1 to 2 years of play?

Not just a player. The best player of his generation.

Peterson would have run for 2,400 yards here last year. He would be the leading candidate to be MVP this year. And the Cowboys would by far be the leader in Vegas to win the Super Bowl.

Can you imagine a play-fake to Peterson? Romo would have Dez running free all year. Witten and Williams might career if Dallas chose to go that route. EVERYTHING would be wide open all the time.

 

[erod]

Remains to be seen. I mean, I've already said that I think he does better as a set back from a traditional running formation but he did for years, lined up along side Tony out of the shotgun. He can do it I think. Will he be as effective? Don't know. We'll have to see.

He doesn't get going quick enough. He needs to run downhill and plow people. He doesn't have much shake in him, which is what you need from that formation. McCoy was perfect for it, and I thank Chip Kelly for getting him out of there because that guy killed us.

 

[revospeed]

There's a reason Joseph Randle is perpetually made fun of in my house. Having had a family member who knew the guy in college I've heard many great stories about how arrogant he is. He doesn't have room to criticize Murray unless he can somehow run for 1900+

I knew Joe a little bit in college and I never thought he came across as arrogant.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not just a player. The best player of his generation.

Peterson would have run for 2,400 yards here last year. He would be the leading candidate to be MVP this year. And the Cowboys would by far be the leader in Vegas to win the Super Bowl.

Can you imagine a play-fake to Peterson? Romo would have Dez running free all year. Witten and Williams might career if Dallas chose to go that route. EVERYTHING would be wide open all the time.

You don't know what he would have done. throwing out speculation on something that did not happen? Really Heck why not say 3000 yards and 20 TD
I have always like AP however I do not want to give up a 1st rd pick for a 30 year old RB.

 

[phildadon86]

The guys vomit on small children in the stands. That's how you can tell the men from the women. The women in Philly are classier that way.

I know. I went to a game in Philly. The phrase culture shock would be an understatement especially being from Toronto

 

[DallasDomination]

When Randle goes for 1400 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving this year, am I allowed to laugh at 60% of the posters in this thread?

Or is that against forum rules? Just want to make sure before I do my vocal warmups.

Sign me up too.. I'm already making a list of people I can laugh at while Randle is running wild.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He doesn't get going quick enough. He needs to run downhill and plow people. He doesn't have much shake in him, which is what you need from that formation. McCoy was perfect for it, and I thank Chip Kelly for getting him out of there because that guy killed us.

Chip Kelly uses one cut down hill runners in his offense as a preference. He likes a physical running game to go with his passing game. Will it work with Murray? I don't know but I don't think anybody can say it won't work at this point. Kelly says that McCoy wanted to make to many moves and didn't hit the hole quickly enough. Wanted to break it outside too much. I don't know that I buy into any of that. I mean, his average YPC did go down almost a yard from 2013 to 2014 but his AYPC was 5.2, which is really good in 2013. His career average is 4.6 so it did go down but then again, you would think that another year in the offense would have helped that. His numbers in the passing game were way, way down from the previous year as well. I think it's probably more personnel but I don't know for sure.

It makes sense to use a more physical running style in Chips offense because you want the defense to pick it's poison. Either use more speed on defense and pound them with a physical running game or use more size on defense and live with the passing game that wears you out with tempo.

IDK, I guess we'll see what happens.