Randle says "Murray left a lot of meat on the bone"

[DallasDomination]

See, you are already setting up a fallacy.

Randle cant just "come out swinging", almost every RB can do that to start the season. If you want to be a stud back you have to bring it early, bring it late, bring it week one, bring it week six, bring it week 12, bring it week 16, bring it in good weather, bring it in bad weather, bring it with 8 in the box, bring it on short yardage with 11 in the box, bring it on goal line, bring it when you are hurt, bring it when you are tired, ect......

That is what a complete back does, not take 50 carries a season and critique others from the bench.........................can Randle be the complete back?.............they offered Murray $6 million a season as he headed out the door (12 times Randle's 2015 salary).

That kinda gives you your answer right there as to what type of back the team thinks Randle is.

Last year was the 1st year Murray stayed healthy. Yes he was great early but he declined substantially after the Bears game. In the playoffs he was flat. I'm not knocking him or what he got in philly. But he did leave a lot of yards on the field, people have said that since we the beginning.

Teams take chances and make mistakes. ..some players pan out some don't. Murray getting 6 million + and even more in Philly doesn't mean jack. Obviously the team thought, and Jerry said we have a back here..and that's Randle. Just watch and see.

 

[erod]

You don't know what he would have done. throwing out speculation on something that did not happen? Really Heck why not say 3000 yards and 20 TD
I have always like AP however I do not want to give up a 1st rd pick for a 30 year old RB.

You can't apply the standard rules to this guy because he's a beast we've never seen. Jim Brown power, Barry Sanders quickness, Eric Dickerson speed, with Emmitt Smith's pass protection skill and vision.

Came back from ACL surgery in eight months and missed the NFL rushing record by 7 yards.

Greatest running back in NFL history.

 

[Doomsday101]

You can't apply the standard rules to this guy because he's a beast we've never seen. Jim Brown power, Barry Sanders quickness, Eric Dickerson speed, with Emmitt Smith's pass protection skill and vision.

Came back from ACL surgery in eight months and missed the NFL rushing record by 7 yards.

Greatest running back in NFL history.

He is a human yes rules apply to him as well, you can make him out as a god I see him as a human who is 30 playing a position that guys start trending downwards. What he did in 2012 was great he likely will never see that number again. In 2013 he rushed for 1,266 yard and had 5 fumbles. In his career AP has 1 fumble every 76 carries, Murray 1 fumble per 116 carries and yet you claim Murray has a fumble problem well if that is the case AP fumble issue are worse.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's funny how people retreat to stuff like this. It was all the offensive line people claimed, then counter-arguments showing facts had people back away from this. Exaggerations of his injury history, people backed away from that. Had trouble breaking tackles, making long runs above 20+/40+ yards, people backed away from that when shown the statistics since 1996 and how he averaged around the same as previous backs.

Now the criticisms have shifted to, he doesn't have "breakaway speed" and "poor vision". The breakaway speed can be countered with the fact that he has great initial burst at the line of scrimmage and great start and stop speed, the "poor vision" is something people retreat to because they think their eye tests are great observations and it's almost impossible to provide enough film evidence to create an argument against it.

It's stuff like this that tells me people create these petty complaints to make themselves feel good about our RB situation.

Can you reshape all these "facts" people retreated from?

I tried to defend Murray early on last year but it became apparent over the increasingly long sample size that he lacked vision and could only finish a run by lowering his shoulder rather than making a move with his feet.

It got so bad that even as he was racking up 100 yard games I did not want to resign the guy. This is all in my posting history and I stand behind it.

Again, unless the back is special you don't invest heavy resources in a fungible position with the type of investment we have made with our offensive line.

 

[CowboyGil]

To me, Randle looked like a different back last year compared to 2013. Maybe it was the vastly improved OL. It'll be interesting to see what he can do being out there on a regular basis.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You can't apply the standard rules to this guy because he's a beast we've never seen. Jim Brown power, Barry Sanders quickness, Eric Dickerson speed, with Emmitt Smith's pass protection skill and vision.

Came back from ACL surgery in eight months and missed the NFL rushing record by 7 yards.

Greatest running back in NFL history.

No.

He's good but I don't think he's a player that we've never seen the likes of.

 

[erod]

He is a human yes rules apply to him as well, you can make him out as a god I see him as a human who is 30 playing a position that guys start trending downwards. What he did in 2012 was great he likely will never see that number again. In 2013 he rushed for 1,266 yard and had 5 fumbles. In his career AP has 1 fumble every 76 carries, Murray 1 fumble per 116 carries and yet you claim Murray has a fumble problem well if that is the case AP fumble issue are worse.

No, not the same way, they don't.

Most players are lazy about their conditioning and offseason work. Not Peterson. He is a workout fiend that looks identical to what he looked like in college.

He outbenched and outsquated the entire Oklahoma football team when he was 18 years old. He's just one of those people that is freakishly built.

The fumble point is a good one, but as a longtime follower of this guy, I can tell why that is. He has never fully learned to let a play die. He fumbles on second and third efforts, not from casual stripping of the ball. He needs to get out of bounds, and he hates to do that.

I'm telling you, on this team with this talent, he would be an unstoppable force. Realistically, he'd probably rush for 1,400 yards, but he'd have an insane average per carry. This offense is so explosive, he wouldn't need to run much. He'd open up the passing game so much, you'd see a lot of long catch and runs in the passing game.

Peterson is the ultimate decoy as much as he is the best running back in the NFL. He creates impossible mismatches for defensive coordinators.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, not the same way, they don't.

Most players are lazy about their conditioning and offseason work. Not Peterson. He is a workout fiend that looks identical to what he looked like in college.

He outbenched and outsquated the entire Oklahoma football team when he was 18 years old. He's just one of those people that is freakishly built.

The fumble point is a good one, but as a longtime follower of this guy, I can tell why that is. He has never fully learned to let a play die. He fumbles on second and third efforts, not from casual stripping of the ball. He needs to get out of bounds, and he hates to do that.

I'm telling you, on this team with this talent, he would be an unstoppable force. Realistically, he'd probably rush for 1,400 yards, but he'd have an insane average per carry. This offense is so explosive, he wouldn't need to run much. He'd open up the passing game so much, you'd see a lot of long catch and runs in the passing game.

Peterson is the ultimate decoy as much as he is the best running back in the NFL. He creates impossible mismatches for defensive coordinators.

I get it you are a big AD fan, If he was coming to Dallas with a 3rd rd pick then fine but I would not give up a 1st rd pick for any RB who is 30 years old, period.

 

[erod]

No.

He's good but I don't think he's a player that we've never seen the likes of.

OK, I'll bite. Who?

There's nothing he can't do as a running back. I'm not sure I've ever said that about any back. I didn't see Jim Brown play live, but I did notice in the highlight reels that he was running against a bunch of dudes that looked like my dad.

Barry didn't have his power. Dickerson didn't have his quickness. Payton didn't have his size. Emmitt didn't have his speed. OJ didn't have his vision. Bo didn't have his ability to catch. Marshall didn't have his ability to pass protect.

Peterson literally has no flaws. He is the perfect running back.

 

[erod]

I get it you are a big AD fan, If he was coming to Dallas with a 3rd rd pick then fine but I would not give up a 1st rd pick for any RB who is 30 years old, period.

He has the same time frame as Romo. Win it now.

And he'll make a MUCH bigger impact then some first-round linebacker.

Get him, and you've got 2-3 serious runs at the Super Bowl at least.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

He's right but should keep his mouth shut.

 

[Doomsday101]

He has the same time frame as Romo. Win it now.

And he'll make a MUCH bigger impact then some first-round linebacker.

Get him, and you've got 2-3 serious runs at the Super Bowl at least.

Yes and the Cowboys are not just Tony Romo, there will be life after Romo if the Cowboys are smart but giving up 1st rd for a player who is likely only playing for the next 2 years. I think is a big mistake.
I'm a very big Romo fan but I also think when Dallas feels they need a quality QB they will likely have to package a deal to get a top QB

 

[erod]

Yes and the Cowboys are not just Tony Romo, there will be life after Romo if the Cowboys are smart but giving up 1st rd for a player who is likely only playing for the next 2 years. I think is a big mistake.
I'm a very big Romo fan but I also think when Dallas feels they need a quality QB they will likely have to package a deal to get a top QB

When Romo is gone, it's pretty much over in terms of Super Bowls for a while. Elite QBs are just too hard to find. The Cowboys have been wonderfully lucky over the years, and hopefully we'll fall into another one.

Typically though, you have to go 1-15 to get one.

 

[erod]

And on queue, Peterson is in a Twitter war today about contracts and how NFL teams don't honor them any more than players.

I'm taking credit for this.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK, I'll bite. Who?

There's nothing he can't do as a running back. I'm not sure I've ever said that about any back. I didn't see Jim Brown play live, but I did notice in the highlight reels that he was running against a bunch of dudes that looked like my dad.

Barry didn't have his power. Dickerson didn't have his quickness. Payton didn't have his size. Emmitt didn't have his speed. OJ didn't have his vision. Bo didn't have his ability to catch. Marshall didn't have his ability to pass protect.

Peterson literally has no flaws. He is the perfect running back.

He's not better, IMO, then Jim Brown. You can say that the talent level was inferior but that also carries over to the quality of OL. Add to that, the defenses Brown ran against were geared towards stopping the run so you really didn't have schemes that were more concerned about defending the pass. You can make the argument that it was harder to run in those days.

Walter Payton was not as big but was just as powerful. He could do it all and he did. Everybody remembers Walter Payton on those great Bears teams of the Mid 80s but Payton also played on some of the worst Offensive teams I've seen fielded in the NFL. He was it and he was awesome. I am not sure there has ever been a better all around back then Payton was.

Dickerson was faster IMO. When he hit a crease, he was gone. A different kind of back but production is actually very similar if you look at the numbers in the first 8 seasons of each player.

Sanders didn't have his power but AD doesn't have Sanders' elusiveness either. Barry Sanders put up better numbers in his first 8 seasons as well. Interestingly enough, in his 9th season, he ran for 2053 (44 yards less then ADs best season) with a 6.1 AYPC. Sanders was still going strong when he decided to retire (like Jim Brown), and could probably have continued to still be highly productive. We'll never know how much longer.

Emmitt didn't have his speed but he didn't have Emmitt's balance. Time will tell if AD has Emmitt's durability and Emmitt has the record.

OJ had better vision. There are only a hand full of backs that I can put in the same class, as far as vision goes, with OJ. AD is not one of them IMO.

Bo is not in the discussion IMO because he didn't play long enough and, he never fully committed to Football but if he had, I don't think anybody would have been better then Bo. Bo could do it all, including catch the ball. He only started 23 games his entire career. Keep in mind, Bo never came to training camp because he played Baseball. He came in, during the season for the Raiders. He never really had a lot of work in the passing game so was not incorporated into it but if you look at his College career, he caught 272 passes for a total of 4575 yards. Bo could catch the ball.

Marshall was pretty good as well. He was in a passing offense so that is a disadvantage for him but the other side of that is that AD could not do the things that Marshall could do in the passing game.

There are others LaDanian Tomlinson had more production in his first 8 years. There are others.

If you are saying that there is nobody like AD ever, that's OK but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best ever. There has never been anybody exactly like any of the players mentioned here. AD is a great back, no question but he's not the greatest I've ever seen at this point in his career IMO.

 

[erod]

He's not better, IMO, then Jim Brown. You can say that the talent level was inferior but that also carries over to the quality of OL. Add to that, the defenses Brown ran against were geared towards stopping the run so you really didn't have schemes that were more concerned about defending the pass. You can make the argument that it was harder to run in those days.

Walter Payton was not as big but was just as powerful. He could do it all and he did. Dickerson was faster IMO. When he hit a crease, he was gone. A different kind of back but production is actually very similar if you look at the numbers in the first 8 seasons of each player.

Sanders didn't have his power but AD doesn't have Sanders' elusiveness either. Barry Sanders put up better numbers in his first 8 seasons as well. Interestingly enough, in his 9th season, he ran for 2053 (44 yards less then ADs best season) with a 6.1 AYPC. Sanders was still going strong when he decided to retire (like Jim Brown), and could probably have continued to still be highly productive. We'll never know how much longer.

Emmitt didn't have his speed but he didn't have Emmitt's balance. Time will tell if AD has Emmitt's durability and Emmitt has the record.

OJ had better vision. There are only a hand full of backs that I can put in the same class, as far as vision goes, with OJ. AD is not one of them IMO.

Bo is not in the discussion IMO because he didn't play long enough and, he never fully committed to Football but if he had, I don't think anybody would have been better then Bo. Bo could do it all, including catch the ball. He only started 23 games his entire career. Keep in mind, Bo never came to training camp because he played Baseball. He came in, during the season for the Raiders. He never really had a lot of work in the passing game so was not incorporated into it but if you look at his College career, he caught 272 passes for a total of 4575 yards. Bo could catch the ball.

Marshall was pretty good as well. He was in a passing offense so that is a disadvantage for him but the other side of that is that AD could not do the things that Marshall could do in the passing game.

There are others LaDanian Tomlinson had more production in his first 8 years. There are others.

If you are saying that there is nobody like AD ever, that's OK but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best ever. There has never been anybody exactly like any of the players mentioned here. AD is a great back, no question but he's not the greatest I've ever seen at this point in his career IMO.

All good points about all types of great backs. But that's the difference. They were all different types of backs.

Peterson is every type of back. Big, strong, fast, elusive, football smart, intensely dedicated.....everything. And he's done it absolutely awful quarterbacks. Tavaris Jackson, Christian Ponder, Joe Webb, Kelly Holcombe, Gus Frerotte, Matt Cassell, Josh Freeman...are you kidding me? He had one decent year from an ancient Farve, and that was it. Peterson has been a one-man offense.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

The use of quotes in the OP's thread title is misleading,,,,

 

[GroundZero1970]

Murray came out today and said he hopes Randle gets to taste some of that meat lol, uhhhhh gross and inapropraite Demarco lol

 

[Nightman]

The use of quotes in the OP's thread title is misleading,,,,

How is that? He was specifically talking about Murray.

 

[windjc]

Murray came out today and said he hopes Randle gets to taste some of that meat lol, uhhhhh gross and inapropraite Demarco lol

Murray is a class act. And its pretty obvious he still wants to be a Cowboy.

Thing is, as much as people are upset about him leaving, I really think that they only way for Dallas to improve was to let him go. I don't think Murray could have handled another 400 touches this season.