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But it has a negative connotation to it. It implies those who see things wrong with this team shouldn't point them out or shouldn't be taking the emotional position that they are taking.

That's why I asked the question. And my question wasn't to be taken literally either. :)

Well I have a negative outlook towards this type of behavior so yes you picked up on it well.

I have no issue with criticism. It's the ranting and emotional diatribe.

Emotional vomit. I get that people need to get it out catharsis being what it is but I don't like it. Think it is weak minded.
 

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Huh? If you look at the game and each play, if you look at how mistakes were made, you can understand how the game unfolded.



You also love inventions of your own imagination.

First, you do understand multiple points don't you? A person offers multiple points because an issue is NEVER a matter of a single point.
Second, what good is it to have a positive turnover rate if you miss the playoffs? The object is not to get more turnovers than your opponent. The objection of professional football is to WIN games and make the playoffs, giving one a chance to get to the Super Bowl. It's kind of like pointing to Tony Romo's passing rating, and then arguing he's a winner.
Third, my point STILL stands. What good is it to point to turnover margin if we're not winning? And if you're not winning despite being in a positive situation concerning winning the turnover margin, something is wrong. And that's what you need to assess. And I DID mention the playoffs in my original assessment. That's not moving the goal post. That's moving to the end zone, which is something we're not doing more than the teams we play. :)

Some of you are so obsessed with stats. But I understand that's all you have when your team, when our team is not winning. The bottom line, no matter how many stats you trot out, is that the Cowboys have been a consistently mediocre franchise and has loss critical games, resulting in NO PLAYOFFS. Your rebuttal is like pointing out how great the shiny brass door knobs are on the Titanic. Uh, okay, great. But the ship is still sinking.

You mentioned that turnovers and penalties are an issue because the coaches allow this mentality. I show you that the head coach was in charge of a team that finished top 10 in turnover margin. These facts...your statement...and the team's actual performance...are in-congruent.
 

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The fact that cowboys aren't any good is not a surprise. But how bad they are may have surprised some fans.
This includes me. How about you?

this is one of those situations with glass half empty, half full....

its not as bad as it seemed, given romo had a horrible game. his interceptions were moronic throws to say the least. something you don't expect from a QB with his experience. we spotted SF 14 points before we even got going. it seemed like Romo was trying to make sure Dez and Witten are involved instead of taking what he had available. he kept forcing throws to those two.

as parcells said, most NFL games get decided on turnovers. if you have one turnover you have something like 65% chance of winning and with two turnovers it goes to 90% and with 3 its something like 98%. so having three turnovers early on sealed our fate.

the offense looked decent, except inside the redzone, specially inside the 10. we should be able to run the ball there more effectively. the defense started to gain some confidence as the game went on. our CBs are highly paid and horrible. wasted top 10 pick and wasted $50 million.

do we have some work ahead of us. YES. are we as bad as it was yesterday, not really......we are still an average team until we fix the defense.
 

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The fact that cowboys aren't any good is not a surprise. But how bad they are may have surprised some fans.
This includes me. How about you?

We lost to a team that was 1 play away from playing in the Super Bowl last season. Let's not get too Doom & Gloom'd yet. Still 15 games to see if it can be corrected. Still a bad loss for us & the way it happened.
 

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Just think, this simple rodent is the cause of all the problems....

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The fact that cowboys aren't any good is not a surprise. But how bad they are may have surprised some fans.
This includes me. How about you?

I would not say we played bad yesterday. All in all i was surprised how good we were - and this should not be a joke.

Our OL was dominating a good defense front all day. We were able to do whatever we wanted to do.
Our defense wasnt that bad. In fact to me it looked capable of keeping us in a game.

What cost us the game yesterday was QB play. If Romo had a good day the 49ers would have had no business in that game.
If Romos play is a sign for his diminishing skills or only the rust he must knock off because he skipped most of camp and the preseason is to be seen.
 

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Well I have a negative outlook towards this type of behavior so yes you picked up on it well.

I have no issue with criticism. It's the ranting and emotional diatribe.

Emotional vomit. I get that people need to get it out catharsis being what it is but I don't like it. Think it is weak minded.

I guess I'm not understanding the difference. You have no issue with criticism yet you don't like the ranting and emotional diatribe.
Do you mind explaining the difference, from your perspective?
Thanks.
 

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You mentioned that turnovers and penalties are an issue because the coaches allow this mentality. I show you that the head coach was in charge of a team that finished top 10 in turnover margin. These facts...your statement...and the team's actual performance...are in-congruent.

Let's step back a second an analyze where we went off track. Or, more specifically, where YOU went off track.

Here is your statement.

Hard to evaluate anything the way the game unfolded. Stay tuned

Your comment is SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED on the 49ers game. And BrainPaint understands this too because he said ...

Not hard to evaluate that Tony Romo made too many bone headed plays during the game.

Translation: Tony Romo made a lot of mistakes, which contributed to why we loss.

Here is my response to your original post.

But that's what many people say all the time. There's a reason these games "unfold" in losses for the Cowboys and wins for the other team.
At some point, we have to examine why things are unfolding like this for us. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I remember those 90s Cowboys. They hardly ever committed penalties or turnovers.
It's a mentality - whether through coaching or the players we have. And this current bunch just isn't getting it, i.e., not getting good coaching or don't really understand or have the competency not to commit boneheaded mistakes.

Why are we losing these games? In this case, it's because of turnovers. Murray makes one and Romo makes three. Why is Tony Romo still making dumb/boneheaded mistakes? I think reference the 90s Cowboys and how they rarely committed penalities and turnovers.
Since Sunday's game was lost largely due to turnovers, it was appropriate to mention the 90s Cowboys.

You respond by citing turnover margin. But what does that have to do with the 49ers game Sunday? And so what if the team had a better turnover margin last year? They still were losers and didn't achieve their goal of advancing to the playoffs. And if you look at those games last year, you could unfold why we loss those games. As for Sunday, the team loss. So what if the team had a better turnover margin last year. We're talking right now. Romo is STILL making boneheaded mistakes. And it's not hard to unfold why we loss. Now we need someone to step in and analyze why Tony Romo feels the need to throw into coverage, change plays at the two yard line to passing plays and FIX it. But that's not going to happen because we really don't have true leadership on this team.

No, my statement about Sunday's game is not incongruent with the mentality of mistakes.
 

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My crystal ball sees us taking the division wit a 4-2 or 5-1 record. That leaves our top 5 offense and new and improved defense who will get tons of respect starting now... to a 6-4 or 5-5 mark versus the rest of the league.

Warning: this kind of prediction should be made by seasoned posters only and should not be tried at home. But I stand by it .

My left ball tells me you're nuts.
 

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I guess I'm not understanding the difference. You have no issue with criticism yet you don't like the ranting and emotional diatribe.
Do you mind explaining the difference, from your perspective?
Thanks.

Well it may be because I am not targeting anyone on purpose. I actually enjoyed reading turok and your thoughts. the rest of the thread not so much.

It's the difference between constructive criticism and emotional ranting. And I am not talking about the combination of the two because that can be compelling.
 

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The reality that would be bad to me is going 8 and 8 again, retaining Garrett and being stuck with another middle of the first round pick.
 

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Well it may be because I am not targeting anyone on purpose. I actually enjoyed reading turok and your thoughts. the rest of the thread not so much.

It's the difference between constructive criticism and emotional ranting. And I am not talking about the combination of the two because that can be compelling.

Fair enough.
I guess we guys who do rant :) may be a bit sensitive to such comments. :)
 

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Well it is what it is, but all said in done we are 0-1 today. Just like half the NFL.
Vaunted teams such as NE, GB, KC, etc are right there with us. Do you think in GB they think the sky is falling after the best QB in football threw for under 200 yds and wouldn't use half the field??
 

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All probably true, .. after they got 28 pts they stopped playing us and focused solely on beating the clock.

Smart teams do that you know.

the 92 and 93 cowboy teams played exactly the same way. they knew how to beat a team early and finish a game. the seahawks play like now they put teams away early and kill the clock to end a game right way.
 

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The fact that cowboys aren't any good is not a surprise. But how bad they are may have surprised some fans.
This includes me. How about you?

well......I'm not looking for a bridge to jump off of.......but then again I ddint see them as a SB contender, playoff yes, and that is still on the table........it will be a fun season, Life goes on.
 
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