Really can't blame Tucker or Pettiti

[ABQCOWBOY]

I mean honestly, Tucker was an undrafted FA that started at OG, went to RT and is now playing LT. He was almost cut how many times?

Rob Pettiti is a Rookie that has really performed for us IMO. There are guys who were taken much higher and are still on the bench learning. This guy is 6th round pick that has started how many games for us? The guy should be on the bench learning for Christmas sakes.

The truth of the matter is that we've been shoe stringing it since practically the start of the season. We're lucky we are where we are at this point. We complain about them because nobody likes to lose but those guys have given more production, this season, then we have a right to expect from them.

That's the truth.

 

[Haley94]

We can blame Al Johnson though.

 

[Yeagermeister]

We can blame Al Johnson though.

And Gurode

 

[Nors]

We can't run the football and we can't protect the quarterback.

That doesn't get fixed fast the season is over.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I can, its my right as an Italian American

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can, its my right as an Italian American

LOL......


Well yeah, there's that.

 

[Alexander]

Coach Parcells has stated over and over--draft status/contracts don't mean a thing. It just means they are paid more or had a greater reputation coming out in their respective draft.

They are accountable for their own ineptitude as any other player. Just because they were unheralded is no reason to accept what is becoming severely deficient with a head scratch.

Good teams have talent like this that steps up and shines. Not every starter has to be a high draft pick and in many cases, they are not.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Once Pettiti goes through a few offseasons and gets stronger then i think he will be manhandling the Strahans of the NFL. Looking at Bradie James, the guy turned into a monster. I am amazed at how he progressed after 3 years. Tucker i don’t see as anything more than a good backup. I am curious to see what Ware, Spears and Canty will turn into after 3 seasons.

 

[braw]

The problem with the team is not so much the offense as its philosophy of the offense. BP can not get it that what worked at the Giants of the 80's can not work with the personnel we have.

The line is getting beat to the punch. The offense needs to run more three reciever sets. Spread the d-line more and run off that formation as well as pass. They double team Glenn isolate him on one side with Twins on the other.

The seam route is open with the slot or TE. If linebackers fall back the draw will start to work. As an Olineman you don't have to pancake your block when you run draws off the spread formation.

They need to have defenses guessing instead of knowing exactly whats coming and trying to execute while defenses stunt and shoot the gaps. 162( combined) yards by JUJO in space off usaually 3 wr sets.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Coach Parcells has stated over and over--draft status/contracts don't mean a thing. It just means they are paid more or had a greater reputation coming out in their respective draft.

They are accountable for their own ineptitude as any other player. Just because they were unheralded is no reason to accept what is becoming severely deficient with a head scratch.

Good teams have talent like this that steps up and shines. Not every starter has to be a high draft pick and in many cases, they are not.

All this is true Alex but he also doesn't play rookies. He will tell you that guys get three years. This, to me, suggests that he doesn't expect players like Tucker and Pettiti to be our money players. There playing because they have to. Not because that's who BP would have picked to play if he had options, IMO.

 

[Alexander]

All this is true Alex but he also doesn't play rookies. He will tell you that guys get three years. This, to me, suggests that he doesn't expect players like Tucker and Pettiti to be our money players. There playing because they have to. Not because that's who BP would have picked to play if he had options, IMO.

Options would be the case of Petitti. Rogers busted so, he was plan B.

Adams got hurt, so Tucker was the backup.

We basically have two backups starting right now. But like I said, good teams have backups step up and do the job. That is how teams like New England have won championships. They have lost players and their replacements stepped in. Now this year is a different story, but when you get down to the third and fourth stringer, your luck is going to run out.

I don't blame them both for being below average, I just am disappointed they cannot even be average.

 

[THUMPER]

The problem with the team is not so much the offense as its philosophy of the offense. BP can not get it that what worked at the Giants of the 80's can not work with the personnel we have.

The line is getting beat to the punch. The offense needs to run more three reciever sets. Spread the d-line more and run off that formation as well as pass. They double team Glenn isolate him on one side with Twins on the other.

The seam route is open with the slot or TE. If linebackers fall back the draw will start to work. As an Olineman you don't have to pancake your block when you run draws off the spread formation.

They need to have defenses guessing instead of knowing exactly whats coming and trying to execute while defenses stunt and shoot the gaps. 162( combined) yards by JUJO in space off usaually 3 wr sets.

Braw brings up a point that I have been thinking about quite a bit. We tend to go with the max-protect where we have 2 TEs tight to the line, one RB, and 2 WRs. The problem with that is that it pulls all of the defenders except the CBs into the middle of the field.

I ran into this playing last weekend where I had zero time to throw so rather than keeping more guys in to block I spread them out (4-WRs & 1 RB) and found that I had more time to throw and more room to run because the defense was spread out and couldn't clog the middle or blitz as easily.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Options would be the case of Petitti. Rogers busted so, he was plan B.

Adams got hurt, so Tucker was the backup.

We basically have two backups starting right now. But like I said, good teams have backups step up and do the job. That is how teams like New England have won championships. They have lost players and their replacements stepped in. Now this year is a different story, but when you get down to the third and fourth stringer, your luck is going to run out.

I don't blame them both for being below average, I just am disappointed they cannot even be average.

No contention on how other teams do it at all. I agree with that assesment. I just think that were paying the price for years of sub par talent evaluations. Other teams do have back ups that can step in and get it done on many occasions. On the other hand, because of the way the league is set up now, many times you don't. I would not say this is our problem but I do think that the league is somewhat watered down now. Basically, for us, our back ups on the OL are what other teams might cut or deam as development players. IMO, it's because we were so talent poor for so long, we have not developed depth in certain areas. OL is one of them, IMO.

 

[DMX690]

i don't blame them so their effort. But i do blame them for the lack of improvement especially Pettiti. I think he has regress. Tucker has played fair to ok for the situation he been put in.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i don't blame them so their effort. But i do blame them for the lack of improvement especially Pettiti. I think he has regress. Tucker has played fair to ok for the situation he been put in.

I don't think Pettiti has regressed. I think he's playing against better personel and because of the injury to Adams, I don't think we are in as good a position to lend help as we were earlier in the year.

 

[Dye]

i agree with alexander - these guys, at this point in their development are not even close to being worthy starters. hence, our offense is struggling mightily.

even with injuries, our second stringers should not cause our offense to completely change and limit our offense as it has. tie in our revolving centers into this mix and we have a medocre line.

realizing we put a lof of emphasis on fixing the defense, we should not have expected a rookie right tackle to play through the year without problems. but i much would rather had a better contingency plan than to rely on what we currently have.

hopefully, next year we can appropriate address these positions. what'd i like to see is rob and tucker let their primal instincts take over and just flat out get nasty! they got nothing else to lose.

 

[Rack]

Coach Parcells has stated over and over--draft status/contracts don't mean a thing. It just means they are paid more or had a greater reputation coming out in their respective draft.

They are accountable for their own ineptitude as any other player. Just because they were unheralded is no reason to accept what is becoming severely deficient with a head scratch.

Good teams have talent like this that steps up and shines. Not every starter has to be a high draft pick and in many cases, they are not.

When it's OBVIOUS the tackles are the biggest problem, you CAN blame them. Who else we supposed to blame? Ghandi?

 

[Dye]

When it's OBVIOUS the tackles are the biggest problem, you CAN blame them. Who else we supposed to blame? Ghandi?

freak'n rack, you're good, man.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When it's OBVIOUS the tackles are the biggest problem, you CAN blame them. Who else we supposed to blame? Ghandi?

To me, the fault would lie on the organization if anybody. No attempt was made to go out and sign anybody at Tackle. I mean, maybe there was nobody out there and that's possible. On the other hand, Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti are not much of a contingency plan as we can all see. I just don't think it's all on them. I think there doing what they can. Maybe it's not enough but then again, it's not there job to evaluate there own abilities to produce. That responsability lies with the organization. There job is to go out and play as best they can. I honestly believe there trying to do that.

 

[Future]

LOL the tackles are to blame because they are bad. But i still like pettiti and think next year he will be serviceable and then in a few years he will be very very solid. Until then, its his fault