Rebuilding the defense might take a couple years

SoBlue128

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The one thing that worries me is moving up for Donald. A great addition potentially yes, but giving up picks we can't afford it. I would prefer to stand pat and hope Pryor or Dixon is there. We have too many holes to be giving up picks for that one special player. Be smart and fill one of the many gaping holes on defense. No reaching and build this thing right. Anyone we draft will have a learning curve so I agree this is a 2 to 3 year "process". I just hope with what we have we and end up with we can be competitive and see signs of progress.
 

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I agree with the OP. You don't go from the outhouse to the penthouse in one measly year. It'll take 2 yrs. to rebuild the defense.
 

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I agree with the OP. You don't go from the outhouse to the penthouse in one measly year. It'll take 2 yrs. to rebuild the defense.

More like three but we will start to see dividends in year two if they pan out. If Dallas had more to spend in FA, it could be a bit less though. Dallas just can't afford to miss on these next couple of drafts on the defensive side.
 

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More like three but we will start to see dividends in year two if they pan out. If Dallas had more to spend in FA, it could be a bit less though. Dallas just can't afford to miss on these next couple of drafts on the defensive side.


We have to focus on our draft and build from that Once we are close then we spend a little on FA for that missing puzzle piece. A LITTLE
 

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I think the reason they haven't asked Carr to take a paycut is because they just signed him 2 years ago and haven't had any help from the safety position, little from the DL.

Nobody wants to be know as the team that's gonna come back before half your contract is up and ask you to give money back, whether it's your fault or not.

More importantly, Carr has no reason to want to take one. He's not gonna get cut this year.
 

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Going into the 2014 season, I think it is important for people to recognize that this defense probably won't be all set going into the year. We're not going to fill the void from the 32nd ranked defense in the league (ypg) by somehow signing a bunch of free agents.

The team was pretty reluctant to restructure many contracts outside of getting under the salary cap, meaning we're obviously focused more on the future than we have been in past years. I don't know if I would say that is in indication that they aren't focused on being competitive this year, or if this rebuild will give Garrett an out or not, but it is what is apparent by the lack of aggressive restructuring of anyone who isn't necessarily in our long term plans.

I fully expect this coming draft will be almost entirely focused on the defense. We might make a move towards OL, WR, or HB, but I for the most part this draft is going to be focused not only on defense, but the defensive line.

(2) Going into the draft, I think they'll want to get at least two if not three starters for the defense. Expect to see at least two rookies starting on this defensive line, perhaps three or a third rookie may end up in the linebacker corps. I would look at all the top defensive ends, defensive tackles, and linebackers expected to go within the first four rounds, because that is what the Cowboys will be looking at, and that will tell you who we're going to target.

Then you have to factor in other recent investments:

(3) JJ Wilcox, Matt Johnson, Tyrone Crawford, Ben Bass, DeVonte Holloman e.t.c. I think we'll see at least two or three of these guys become starters this year. You can basically pencil Wilcox in there already. A lot of people want us to invest in a safety, but we drafted both Wilcox and Johnson fairly high. Wilcox specifically with the idea that he would take some time to develop.

(1) You still have George Selvie, who I'd rather see as a rotational guy, but in the worst case scenario can be your starter at defensive end.

Then you hold out hope that other recent major investments pan out better than they have so far:

(3) Morris Claiborne, Bruce Carter, Brandon Carr. I still don't know why the Cowboys haven't asked Carr to take a pay cut, I think his pay for his performance the last two years is pretty obscene. I hope Sean Lee can really help turn around Bruce Carter, it would be great if Bruce Carter worked out for us, but almost above the two of them we need Claiborne to work out given that we traded up to get him. He needs to turn things around and stay healthy for a change. I like that they'll be going up against healthy young wide receivers with a wide range of attributes.

(1) You have to hope that Sean Lee can stay healthy throughout the year.

(1) Still holding out hope that we can sign Henry Melton at least to a 1 year deal.

And like I said, you'll probably have to go heavy or slightly heavy on defense again in 2015, but at that point it will depend mostly on how things pan out this year.

In closing, a lot of people are complaining about the signings of some of these backup type guys. Well those guys are brought in not because they are going to light up the world, but rather because right off the bat we were scrambling to find some sort of depth because of injuries at linebacker and defensive line. The FO has obviously decided to bring these types of guys in early rather than later in the year, when it is more difficult to scrape the bottom of the barrell, and more difficult to analyze whether it is worth keeping guys. How many guys did we bring in and then cut a week or two later? That is all this is, except it is proactive instead of reactive.
I think they should build the defense with the mindset of peaking in 2015.

It's possible that they could be much improved from 2013 if everybody stays healthy.

It basically impossible to judge the performance of any player from the 2013 mess. It was basically impossible to implement a new defense while having new players every week.

CB 2 legit starters and Claiborne is at least a really good 3rd CB

Safety Church is servicable and onley had 3 starts going into 2013. He now has a full season of starting. Maybe 1 of Wilcox, Matt Johnson or even Heath "get it". They all have good size and athleticism.

LB Multiple options with Holloman possibly pushing Carter at WDE. Lee at MLB and Wilber/Durant at SLB.

On DL they have Several decent rotational guys like Selvie, Crawford and the 2 new guys. If they add a couple of draft picks and possibly a free agent, then they would have a lot to work with.

The main thing they need is stability with guys that are in OTAs and training camp being the same guys that are playing in games.
 

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I'm not complaining about any of our picks, but, man, our defense is really thin as of today. We've got a lot of work to do.

Yeah, no doubt about it.

By my estimation ,we need 3 rookie starters on the defensive line. RDE, DT, DT. Maybe 2 if Crawford can play. Rookies that will be a) taking a major leap in competition and b) are not nearly as physically developed as their professional opponents

Even if we hit on all of the rookies, they will likely still need a couple months or so to adjust to the pro game.

Not to mention we'll still trot out Claiborne and the mess at safety. Is Wilcox going to 'get it' in his second year? I'd bet he needs another. Or at least half a season.

All of these moves were almost essential, I understand. But they are the product of bad contracts, bad planning and bad drafting. And I don't necessarily trust the folks who put us in this situation to be able to get us out.
 

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Staying healthy would be a big departure from recent history. In fact until it happens you almost have to assume injuries to multiple starters.
 

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The one thing that worries me is moving up for Donald. A great addition potentially yes, but giving up picks we can't afford it. I would prefer to stand pat and hope Pryor or Dixon is there. We have too many holes to be giving up picks for that one special player. Be smart and fill one of the many gaping holes on defense. No reaching and build this thing right. Anyone we draft will have a learning curve so I agree this is a 2 to 3 year "process". I just hope with what we have we and end up with we can be competitive and see signs of progress.

Stay at 16 and hope for Donald or Martin. If they are both off the board, find a partner to trade down.
 

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I would not have a problem with this approach if we had done this in Garrett's first year
3.5 years into it we are suddenly changing course
My concern is that chances are we have 2-3 years with romo and we will waste those rebuilding the defense and once the defense is rebuilt we will be looking for a new QB

Just the latest result of horrible planning by our FO and great GM
 

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It usually does, especially with a scheme change. That is why our philosophy that everything was peachy on that side of the ball at this time last year was dead wrong.
 

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The one thing that worries me is moving up for Donald.

That better not be the plan. We need all the picks we can get. If anything I hope we can move down a little, still get our guy and an additional pick. Moving up is a terrible idea.
 

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Gonna take a bit of luck in the draft. I'd like to have Melton and Donald - that would be a nice rotation. Need to have a DE pan out from the draft.
 

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More like three but we will start to see dividends in year two if they pan out. If Dallas had more to spend in FA, it could be a bit less though. Dallas just can't afford to miss on these next couple of drafts on the defensive side.

Whether it requires two or three years to rebuild the defense adequately, I'm sure we can agree it's not reasonable to assume it'll likely get done within the boundaries of 2014. A great deal depends upon the results that may come in the upcoming drafts. Two very successful drafts could get it done, whereas it might possibly take more if we tally average results. Only time will tell.
 

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Your hardon for hating on Brandon Carr is pathetic. He had one bad game with a putrid defensive line against the greatest WR of all time and that discounts every other game? You must've slept through every other game in the last two years because it isn't nearly as bad as your overly dramatic accusations of "obscenity" would lead anyone with an IQ above 70 to believe.

I remember, at one point, the announcers gushing about Carr, saying he was worth all the money he's making. He had a impressive stretch of games lasts season before DET.
 

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Melton's market has been cooling. Think his injury scares people. Visiting Seattle today. He could get short term deal to prove worth still there. If so, rich get richer
 

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Dallas is going about this the right way, it is just going to be painful

The goal would be to build a dominant defense over the next year or two, stocking it with young players. At the same time, focus on strengthening the OL. A year or two from now you go all out for your QB of the future and let him play behind a young, strong OL with a rising defense. You know, kind of like the 49ers and Seahawks have done.

For the meantime, you can survive with Romo and not be awful...just expect a lot of shootouts this year and maybe next.
 

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Whether it requires two or three years to rebuild the defense adequately, I'm sure we can agree it's not reasonable to assume it'll likely get done within the boundaries of 2014. A great deal depends upon the results that may come in the upcoming drafts. Two very successful drafts could get it done, whereas it might possibly take more if we tally average results. Only time will tell.

Oh. This entirely psychological phenomenon of adjusting your own take on the object in focus (on these pages anything Dallas Cowboys), so that you feel better about your outlook and remove yourself from unpleasant feelings, anger etc. I guess this is what I hate the most about fan culture.

This franchise is all in on its aging QB, it has a fairly good offense and only missed the playoffs due to a piss poor defensive performance.........and now we are talking about the obvious perspective of rebuilding (and not being a contender) the next two or three years?

Sorry, but it's a losers outlook. Adjusting your psychology to whatever Jerry's seemingly about to do.
 

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I remember, at one point, the announcers gushing about Carr, saying he was worth all the money he's making. He had a impressive stretch of games lasts season before DET.

He is no different than most CB's - they need decent safety play and a good pass rush. Get the scheme figured out and get our 2ndary some help from the guys up front and everyone would look better.
 

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I don't know that Carr is terrible, but since we signed him i know he's overpaid. I take everything wrong with the secondary with a grain of salt since most of our opponents never even got a whiff of our defensive lineman. If we can shore up the defensive line with a few high motor young guys, I can see our secondary making some plays this year.
 
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