Reciprocity is foreign term in NFL - as Ellis is finding out

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Reciprocity is foreign term in NFL - as Ellis is finding out

BY KEVIN B. BLACKISTONE

The Dallas Morning News

DALLAS - This is business. It isn't personal. And that's a shame.
Because if it were about character and dependability and sacrifice, about all the other things that really matter, Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells would be treating Greg Ellis better than they are.

Here is a guy who has done everything that's been asked of him since Jones selected him out of North Carolina with the eighth pick in the `98 draft. He's played both ends on the defensive line, though he's naturally a pass-rushing left end. He fought back from what could've been a career-ending broken leg to lead the team's defensive linemen in tackles. Several times he led them in sacks.

Last year, he was stuffed into a new scheme, the 3-4, for the first time in his career. It didn't suit his skills, but Ellis didn't go Alfonso Soriano on his coach even as his playing time went down and his starter's role was lost as he struggled to find his footing.

Now Ellis' bosses want him to play upright, as a linebacker, for the first time in a pro career that is about to go into its ninth year. Ellis hasn't balked at that, either, even though it probably will deflate his numbers just like the 3-4 did last season, making him look like an aged player in decline, which he is not.

All Ellis has done is asked his employers - who just rewarded Terrible Owens with potentially the richest contract for a wide receiver - for a little insurance: He wants some of the money due to him at the end of the four years remaining on his contract now.

He doesn't want a new contract. He doesn't want more money. He just wants a little of what he signed on for.

The Cowboys have been mum about the situation. Their silence suggests Ellis, whose 31st birthday is in August, is headed for the cutting board by the end of next season, just like some others players getting long in the tooth experienced at Valley Ranch.

This isn't a case of having to absorb some seismic shock to the salary cap. But it is a reminder, once again, that there is no sentimentality in the NFL.
Once a team no longer sees any utility in a player, it all but discards him, quite unceremoniously in the case of a guy like Ellis who never blossomed into a superstar as his lofty draft status seemed to portend. So what if he is a model citizen as well as a standout player and a leader in the locker room?
It brings back to memory how Jerry and Jimmy Johnson treated Ken Norton Jr. in the early `90s. Norton tore a biceps going into the playoffs. He needed surgery or risked his career if he continued to play.

Norton's bosses pleaded with him to play through the injury, and he did, all the way to a Super Bowl victory. When time came to reward him with a new contract, they refused his relatively meager request.

Loyalty isn't worth a plugged nickel in sports, especially in the NFL. Sacrifice really isn't worth much there, either.

Why NFL players, with all the dangers of catastrophic injury, have allowed themselves to continue to play without guaranteed contracts being part of their labor agreement is one of the greatest, if not gravest, mistakes of any labor group since Samuel Gompers started organizing workers. This is why New York Times columnist William Rhoden chose the provocative title The Forty Million Dollar Slaves for his just-released book on the state of black athletes in this country.

It isn't my money, so it is painless to judge how to spend it, but the money Ellis is seeking from Jerry now, rather than watch evaporate later, doesn't look like a lot, a couple or three million maybe. For a guy who's given so much to his employer without hassle, I would think the Cowboys would see it as a golden parachute of sorts and hand it to Ellis with a handshake and a thank you.

No wonder Ellis pulled out of the Cowboys' "voluntary" minicamp this week. Why give anything extra anymore to an employer who won't return the favor?
"That's the way he feels right now," his agent, James Williams, told The Dallas Morning News' Jean-Jacques Taylor on Tuesday. "Greg is a man, and that's the way he acts. He's not going to say something bad or derogatory about the team. But he's really frustrated with the situation as it is now."

Understandably.
 

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Alexander said:
Now Ellis' bosses want him to play upright, as a linebacker, for the first time in a pro career that is about to go into its ninth year. Ellis hasn't balked at that, either, even though it probably will deflate his numbers just like the 3-4 did last season, making him look like an aged player in decline, which he is not.

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Alexander said:
Reciprocity is foreign term in NFL - as Ellis is finding out

BY KEVIN B. BLACKISTONE

The Dallas Morning News

DALLAS - This is business. It isn't personal. And that's a shame.
Because if it were about character and dependability and sacrifice, about all the other things that really matter, Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells would be treating Greg Ellis better than they are.

Nice article, I won't quote the whole thing because I hate it when people do that and leave a couple of sentences reply. But I see and agree with the concept of this article.
 

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Alexander said:
Check the author of this article.

That's all you need to know.
I love the painted contrast between "Terrible" Owens and Greg Ellis, and the bleeding heart for Ken Norton.

Owens asked for the same things Ellis is asking for - and he did a similar thing to Norton, in rehabbing faster than anyone thought possible, and playing like a stud in the SB, while McChoke, well.....McChoked.

I realize Ellis doesn't doesn't have all the extra baggage Owens has, but come on....

Painting Ellis as some sort of martyr is ridiculous, and no doubt helps fuel Ellis' defeatist attitude, and sulking. What is ignored, is that;

(a) If Ellis gets what he wants - EVERYONE wants that, and that';s not how the NFL works. Hmmmmm....I heard the same thing from sportswriters last year - saying that the Eagle's needed to take a stand against this - because it would topple the league.

But, when a media darling does the EXACT same thing (and it is, exactly the same, with the guaranteed cash - let's not kid ourselves) hearts start to bleed. It's not show-friends.

(b) He whined about the same things last year, had one of his best years ever, and *gasp* we won some games.
 

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I love the painted contrast between "Terrible" Owens and Greg Ellis, and the bleeding heart for Ken Norton.

Owens asked for the same things Ellis is asking for - and he did a similar thing to Norton, in rehabbing faster than anyone thought possible, and playing like a stud in the SB, while McChoke, well.....McChoked.

I realize Ellis doesn't doesn't have all the extra baggage Owens has, but come on....

Painting Ellis as some sort of martyr is ridiculous, and no doubt helps fuel Ellis' defeatist attitude, and sulking. What is ignored, is that;

(a) If Ellis gets what he wants - EVERYONE wants that, and that';s not how the NFL works. Hmmmmm....I heard the same thing from sportswriters last year - saying that the Eagle's needed to take a stand against this - because it would topple the league.

But, when a media darling does the EXACT same thing (and it is, exactly the same, with the guaranteed cash - let's not kid ourselves) hearts start to bleed. It's not show-friends.

(b) He whined about the same things last year, had one of his best years ever, and *gasp* we won some games.

I found his sly attempt at slipping a racial key and hint to slavery into the article despicable.

At face value, looks like a kind-hearted article intended to educate about the plight of all NFL players, but all it was is a glorified flag-waving session for a player he obviously likes personally in Greg Ellis. Ellis is the one of the least oppressed players on the roster. All of his oppression is self-imposed.
 

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This is a complicated issue.

Bill Parcells wants to get the most out of all his players including Ellis and is going to play him in a way he knows will be the most effective for the entire defense, not just Canty or Ellis' individual sack numbers.

Ellis doesn't want to be preceived as a linebacker or a backup at a point in his career when he's better than the starters in this scheme. He rightly believes he's being phased out and primarily used as bust-insurance this season.

Both have valid points and both need to meet in the middle. Blindly guaranteeing Ellis' contract, even portions of it carry a greater effect than it seems as it gives Ellis leverage in the future to not restructure his contract as he would not fear being cut. Paying a signing bonus forces Dallas to potentiall deal with more dead money in the last two years of Ellis' deal.

Some combination of guaranteed money, though less than Ellis was looking for, will probably be worked out and this will get resolved.
 

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ravidubey said:
Some combination of guaranteed money, though less than Ellis was looking for, will probably be worked out and this will get resolved.

I don't think the franchise can afford to compromise an inch on this subject. Either he plays or we trade or cut him.

Like the system or not, any sort of concession, no matter how much they like Ellis, would be a major error and open up the floodgates not only on this team, but across the leader. Ownership already lost serious ground and made some big allowances in the new CBA. Jones simply cannot budge. And I would bet he won't.
 

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ravidubey said:
This is a complicated issue.

Bill Parcells wants to get the most out of all his players including Ellis and is going to play him in a way he knows will be the most effective for the entire defense, not just Canty or Ellis' individual sack numbers.

Ellis doesn't want to be preceived as a linebacker or a backup at a point in his career when he's better than the starters in this scheme. He rightly believes he's being phased out and primarily used as bust-insurance this season.

Both have valid points and both need to meet in the middle. Blindly guaranteeing Ellis' contract, even portions of it carry a greater effect than it seems as it gives Ellis leverage in the future to not restructure his contract as he would not fear being cut. Paying a signing bonus forces Dallas to potentiall deal with more dead money in the last two years of Ellis' deal.

Some combination of guaranteed money, though less than Ellis was looking for, will probably be worked out and this will get resolved.

It is a complicated issue. I've been asking the question....What kind of deal will make Ellis happy? My guess is, short of turning back the clock, such a deal does not exist.
 

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ravidubey said:
Bill Parcells wants to get the most out of all his players including Ellis and is going to play him in a way he knows will be the most effective for the entire defense, not just Canty or Ellis' individual sack numbers.

I completely agree.

Ellis doesn't want to be preceived as a linebacker or a backup at a point in his career when he's better than the starters in this scheme. He rightly believes he's being phased out and primarily used as bust-insurance this season.

Not so much.

Why would he be perceived as a LB? He's not going to be a LB. He's going to be an end rusher in our nickel package - used extensively. Maybe he stands up once in a while, but it's not going to be anywhere near the majority of the time.

If he were better than the starters - and this is taking everything into consideration, not just stats. For example, he may have had similar tackle numbers to a starting DE on the team, but as a nickel end, he really should put up those numbers. The 3-4 ends will invariably have lesser numbers, in tackles and sacks. That is not their job. And THEIR job, is one Ellis is not a good fit for. Parcells is playing the player who fits the defense best, and can perform best in the role that defense requires. Canty and Spears fit that bill in the 3-4 much better than Ellis. The players are played accordingly.

And regardless of what Ellis believes, or sees written on the wall, isn't the best way to avoid getting cut to rock people's socks? Ellis had one of his best years ever last year, in a role he belly-ached about. But the coach knew best. Why can't that be the same this year? If he ties for the sack lead on the team again, do you really think they'll cut him?

He's asking to get paid, regardless of performance. I wonder how many of us would like that situation, but won't get it. How many of his teammates want that situation? All of them.

They're not getting it. What makes Ellis so special?
 

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This is as about as hopelessly one sided an article as you're likely to find. Blackistone should demand a commission if Ellis gets more money or is traded. Honestly I don't know how much more of Ellis' PR machine I can stand.
 

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Why would he be perceived as a LB? He's not going to be a LB. He's going to be an end rusher in our nickel package - used extensively. Maybe he stands up once in a while, but it's not going to be anywhere near the majority of the time.

Not only do fans misunderstand, I think Ellis misunderstands the role. How often is Willie McGinest running downfield covering backs and tight ends? Not often. He may drop into a shallow zone, but he's almost never matched up man to man on anyone. So really, what Ellis would be doing is running a variant of the zone blitz and dropping on occasion. He has done that before.

Either it hasn't been explained to him adequately or he simply cannot mentally grasp it or he is using the scheme change excuse to further his own gains.

They're not getting it. What makes Ellis so special?

Blackistone said it:

So what if he is a model citizen as well as a standout player and a leader in the locker room?

I guess league-wide, that should entitle any similar veteran some extra cash in the twilight of his career.
 

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Loyalty isn't worth a plugged nickel in sports, especially in the NFL. Sacrifice really isn't worth much there, either.

only in the NHL.

The ken norton thing is so frustrating too. its not like he was just some schmoe
 

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Either it hasn't been explained to him adequately or he simply cannot mentally grasp it or he is using the scheme change excuse to further his own gains.

It better have been explained thoroughly. Reports that Parcells is coddling him for 20 minutes after practice - I hope they're not talking about needlepoint.

Blackistone said it:

Blackistone also said this:

It isn't my money, so it is painless to judge how to spend it, but the money Ellis is seeking from Jerry now, rather than watch evaporate later, doesn't look like a lot, a couple or three million maybe. For a guy who's given so much to his employer without hassle, I would think the Cowboys would see it as a golden parachute of sorts and hand it to Ellis with a handshake and a thank you.

So......apparently life at (wherever Blackistone works) is pretty good.

People hand out 1 to 3 million dollars to nice guys, regardless of performance.

And they do it while ignoring the fact that said person has been a malcontent the past two offseasons.

Sign me up for that place.
 

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superpunk said:
It better have been explained thoroughly. Reports that Parcells is coddling him for 20 minutes after practice - I hope they're not talking about needlepoint.



Blackistone also said this:



So......apparently life at (wherever Blackistone works) is pretty good.

People hand out 1 to 3 million dollars to nice guys, regardless of performance.

And they do it while ignoring the fact that said person has been a malcontent the past two offseasons.

Sign me up for that place.

What do you think of the raise given to Terry Glen ?
 

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Jarv said:
What do you think of the raise given to Terry Glen ?

Terry was one of the best receivers in the NFL last year. He was on pace for a monster season the year before that, as well. I don't know his original contract numbers, but iirc, he was not being paid accordingly.

I had no problem with it.

Terry said nothing to the media except that he wasn't going to make a stink. He'd like more money, and the ball's in Dallas' court.

Terry didn't say "Guarantee me my money, so I get paid no matter what." Terry didn't say "guarantee me my money, so I feel more secure."

Terry went out and earned his cash.

Greg is being paid his worth - only he wants guarantees. Unfortunately, that's not how the NFL works.
 

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But...while we're wondering...;)

What did you think of Terrell Owens contractual demands in Philly last year, Jarv?
 

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Terry was one of the best receivers in the NFL last year. He was on pace for a monster season the year before that, as well. I don't know his original contract numbers, but iirc, he was not being paid accordingly.

I had no problem with it.

Terry said nothing to the media except that he wasn't going to make a stink. He'd like more money, and the ball's in Dallas' court.

Terry didn't say "Guarantee me my money, so I get paid no matter what." Terry didn't say "guarantee me my money, so I feel more secure."

Terry went out and earned his cash.

Greg is being paid his worth - only he wants guarantees. Unfortunately, that's not how the NFL works.

I think Greg is underpaid compared to other DE's. He's had more sacks in the last 3 years than DE's like Kearse, Winstrom and Holliday (How much did Snyder pay Andre Carter this year ?, also less sacks than Greg last 3 years)...All of whom make more money than he does.

Do you think he could have made more money elsewhere when he resigned with us ? I think he could have, but he showed a commitment to the team.

Heck, I hate this crap going on now, but I can see where he is coming from.
 

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Jarv said:
What do you think of the raise given to Terry Glen ?

Did Glenn blow off the offseason workouts? Did Glenn demand repeated binky sessions with the coaches? Did Glenn and his agent crank up a "renegotiate me or trade me" campaign with the press? Did Glenn's performance make him one of the most underpaid players at his position in the league? How about Ellis? Is there really any comparison to the 2 players situations? Even assuming there is, if we threw Ellis a preverbial bone don't you get the feeling we still wouldn't have heard the end of the Ellis whine fest?
 

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Did Glenn blow off the offseason workouts? Did Glenn demand repeated binky sessions with the coaches? Did Glenn and his agent crank up a "renegotiate me or trade me" campaign with the press? Did Glenn's performance make him one of the most underpaid players at his position in the league? How about Ellis? Is there really any comparison to the 2 players situations? Even assuming there is, if we threw Ellis a preverbial bone don't you get the feeling we still wouldn't have heard the end of the Ellis whine fest?

http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=436

Andre Carter 13.5 sacks over the last 3 years....

Greg 25 sacks over the last 3 years....

Mar. 13, 2006 - 6:14 p.m. ET
Commanders and DE Andre Carter have agreed on a six-year, $30 million contract, including a $9 million signing bonus.
 
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