Remembering another clue into the collective mind of the DAL war room

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I don't know that they make this any bigger deal than other teams' but I do know they like to talk as-if they do... that is, it seems they often talk in those after-draft news conferences about how they value guys who were captains for their college team. While I'm sure it's of limited value in reality, if the draft pool inventory at a given position at a given round has a couple or more in a virtual tie, I can imagine this factoid could be a tiebreaker on occasion. Should be easy enough to look it up among the half-dozen or so players who are emerging as the consensus options at #28 at least.

 

[AbeBeta]

may be an even stronger focus this year as we lost considerable leadership in Church, Carr, and Free

 

[MrPhil]

Based a quick scan of Brugler's draft guide, here are the guys listed as captains that I also think have been linked in some way to Dallas:

TE
J. Butt
G. Kittle
E. Saubert

WR
Z. Jones
C. Kupp
T. Taylor

OT
J. Davenport
Bisnowaty
T. Moton

DL
Lawson
Willis
Rivers
Kpassagnon
Hendrickson
Wormley
Walker

CB
G. Conley
F. Moreau
A. Jackson

S
X. Woods

 

[Setackin]

Based a quick scan of Brugler's draft guide, here are the guys listed as captains that I also think have been linked in some way to Dallas:

TE
J. Butt
G. Kittle
E. Saubert

WR
Z. Jones
C. Kupp
T. Taylor

OT
J. Davenport
Bisnowaty
T. Moton

DL
Lawson
Willis
Rivers
Kpassagnon
Hendrickson
Wormley
Walker

CB
G. Conley
F. Moreau
A. Jackson

S
X. Woods

My dude Kpass!

He's going to be on of those boom or bust guys in the NFL... but if he booms with Irving, shoot! their size combo would kill! Can probably get him in the 4th. but I hear Rod really hate super tall DL, and Irving is a very rare exception cause of his bend.

 

[chicago JK]

I think most teams look for these characteristics but I agree these are the types of guys Garrett tends to do the best with.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I don't know that they make this any bigger deal than other teams' but I do know they like to talk as-if they do... that is, it seems they often talk in those after-draft news conferences about how they value guys who were captains for their college team. While I'm sure it's of limited value in reality, if the draft pool inventory at a given position at a given round has a couple or more in a virtual tie, I can imagine this factoid could be a tiebreaker on occasion. Should be easy enough to look it up among the half-dozen or so players who are emerging as the consensus options at #28 at least.

Nice observation,,, and given the youthful revamping of the defense they could certainly use some leaders in this draft.

 

[rkell87]

I believe we also have a tendency to favor players that started as freshmen(or 4 years) does it also have that info?

 

[Pants]

Based a quick scan of Brugler's draft guide, here are the guys listed as captains that I also think have been linked in some way to Dallas:

TE
J. Butt

WR
Z. Jones

DL
Lawson
Willis
Rivers
Kpassagnon
Hendrickson
Wormley
Walker

CB
F. Moreau

S
X. Woods

Moreau in the 2nd
Butt in the 3rd
Jones in the 4th (if still there)
Woods in the 6th
Perhaps one of the DL

Where is that contest thread???

 

[MrPhil]

I believe we also have a tendency to favor players that started as freshmen(or 4 years) does it also have that info?

It does, and it includes stats for each year. After a quick scan, here is what I found:

- All the TE, WR and OT I listed played as Freshman or Redshirt Freshman

- Of the DL, Lawson, Willis, Kpassagnon, Hendrickson were reserves but played, Rivers was in a "sub package", Walker started three games and Wormley was injured.

- For CBs, Conley was a backup, and Moreau and Jackson played.

- At S, Woods started

 

[rkell87]

It does, and it includes stats for each year. After a quick scan, here is what I found:

- All the TE, WR and OT I listed played as Freshman or Redshirt Freshman

- Of the DL, Lawson, Willis, Kpassagnon, Hendrickson were reserves but played, Rivers was in a "sub package", Walker started three games and Wormley was injured.

- For CBs, Conley was a backup, and Moreau and Jackson played.

- At S, Woods started

Thanks great info!

 

[jazzcat22]

It does, and it includes stats for each year. After a quick scan, here is what I found:

- All the TE, WR and OT I listed played as Freshman or Redshirt Freshman

- Of the DL, Lawson, Willis, Kpassagnon, Hendrickson were reserves but played, Rivers was in a "sub package", Walker started three games and Wormley was injured.

- For CBs, Conley was a backup, and Moreau and Jackson played.

- At S, Woods started

Don't think so, I seen him play and start many of games.

 

[jazzcat22]

Based a quick scan of Brugler's draft guide, here are the guys listed as captains that I also think have been linked in some way to Dallas:

TE
J. Butt
G. Kittle
E. Saubert

WR
Z. Jones
C. Kupp
T. Taylor

OT
J. Davenport
Bisnowaty
T. Moton

DL
Lawson
Willis
Rivers
Kpassagnon
Hendrickson
Wormley
Walker

CB
G. Conley
F. Moreau
A. Jackson

S
X. Woods

Now need to cross reference with where they are ranked and we have our draft.

 

[JBell]

I believe we also have a tendency to favor players that started as freshmen(or 4 years) does it also have that info?

Where did you hear this? Dak, Zeke, Brown, Collins, and Tapper didn't start as freshman.

 

[Carson]

Been saying it for years. Give me the big school, multi year starting, captain with great stats in all of the later picks. You can hit on a few small school guys, but in the later rounds I like the guys who have experience and know what to do. Rather than projects (Wilcox, Stanback) etc.

 

[MrPhil]

Don't think so, I seen him play and start many of games.

Direct quote from the guide (emphasis mine), page 162 if you'd like to verify: "After redshirting in 2013, he struggled as a redshirt freshman back-up in 2014, posting 16 tackles and two passes defended."

 

[jazzcat22]

Direct quote from the guide (emphasis mine), page 162 if you'd like to verify: "After redshirting in 2013, he struggled as a redshirt freshman back-up in 2014, posting 16 tackles and two passes defended."

2015 & 2016 he was the starter. 2013 and 2014, his first 2 years, he backed up Eli Apple. Of course he struggled his first few years. Most do.
I watch every Ohio State game...I can attest he started.

here is a link, read the overview
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/gareon-conley?id=2558062

OVERVIEW
As a redshirt freshman, Conley stepped into the starting lineup against Michigan State for an injured Eli Apple. He did not fare well against the Spartans' strong passing game that day, forcing an injured Apple back onto the field. Over the past two years, however, Conley has started every game for the Buckeyes. He was an honorable mention All-Big Ten pick in 2015 (two interceptions, five pass breakups) and then graduated to second-team all-conference as a junior (four INTs, eight PBU).

 

[MrPhil]

2015 & 2016 he was the starter. 2013 and 2014, his first 2 years, he backed up Eli Apple. Of course he struggled his first few years. Most do.
I watch every Ohio State game...I can attest he started.

here is a link, read the overview
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/gareon-conley?id=2558062

OVERVIEW
As a redshirt freshman, Conley stepped into the starting lineup against Michigan State for an injured Eli Apple. He did not fare well against the Spartans' strong passing game that day, forcing an injured Apple back onto the field. Over the past two years, however, Conley has started every game for the Buckeyes. He was an honorable mention All-Big Ten pick in 2015 (two interceptions, five pass breakups) and then graduated to second-team all-conference as a junior (four INTs, eight PBU).

I think we are talking past each other. I am not arguing that he never started, clearly he did as you posted above.

My post that you originally quoted was a response to someone else's specific question about which players from the list I posted earlier in the thread started as Freshman. Conley did not start as a freshman as your post above also confirms. In no way am I trying to knock or bad mouth Conley. On the contrary, I would love to have him on the team.

I hope that clarifies things.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think we are talking past each other. I am not arguing that he never started, clearly he did as you posted above.

My post that you originally quoted was a response to someone else's specific question about which players from the list I posted earlier in the thread started as Freshman. Conley did not start as a freshman as your post above also confirms. In no way am I trying to knock or bad mouth Conley. On the contrary, I would love to have him on the team.

I hope that clarifies things.

Yes it does, thanks.

 

[rkell87]

Where did you hear this? Dak, Zeke, Brown, Collins, and Tapper didn't start as freshman.

Visits and picks since Garrett took over, it's clear that(especially day 3) lots of starting experience is something we look for. It's not that often that coaches underutilize talent for four years. Their are exceptions like Priest Holmes where guys look ok in college and blow up in the pros but normally if you can't earn a starting spot over college teammates you probably won't earn one in the pros