Report: Cowboys explored trading up for Charles Harris

[Tristan]

the war room didnt seem phased by harris either.
i am sure they are experienced business people who would not be jumping up and down - since they know they are on candid camera.
that would only hurt the player they drafted and themselves.

They shure looked shocked, quite a noticible reaction, when the steelers took Shazier a couple years ago despite their biz experience lol

 

[LocimusPrime]

They are heavy favorites to repeat.

 

[waldoputty]

They shure looked shocked, quite a noticible reaction, when the steelers took Shazier a couple years ago despite their biz experience lol

well, they should not have.
perhaps they have better contingency planning now, even if i may not agree with it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Every year I hear this garbage about how thenPats are gonna suck eventually. Just stop. Meanwhile we haven't been to a championship game in 21 years. 21 years. Let that sink in. We've went all in at least 16 times in 21 years and haven't been to even a conference championship. Stop talking about when the Patriots are gonna suck. They could lose for the next 20 years and still won't go on a streak as long as ours.

The patriots have a good system and FO...i respect their winning ways. Reminds me if the Cowboys of yesteryear.

 

[waldoputty]

The patriots have a good system and FO...i respect their winning ways. Reminds me if the Cowboys of yesteryear.

loci, did u see dave yesterday?
i thought u ate him with butter?

 

[Bullflop]

The bottom line is this:
it appears the FO preferred Harris over Takk over Taco.
the comp for taco may well be Ellis, and taco's passrushing ceiling may well be Ellis. but that is the ceiling we are talking about.
if harris was the guy, perhaps they should have just paid the price. it costs a lot when everyone and their mother know the passrushing edge is our last piece. but that cost is going to get even higher as we have plugged all the other holes in the roster.
it is much easier to fill holes in the DBs if the picks were used to trade up. you can always draft them next year.
a lot of us are going to be sick if takk or harris does great and if taco is not getting much pressure. i can just see what the subjects and posts are going to say.

It's hard to say if Dallas was wrong or right without knowing what the price was for them to move up. For all we know, it might have been totally outrageous, thereby justifying Dallas' refusal to be played for a sucker. Perhaps the Dallas FO didn't feel the difference between the two players was worth coughing up what might have been an excessive price to pay.

Anyhow, the deal wasn't made and we're left to make the best of what we'll have in the wake of what happened. I'm not willing to assume Harris is that much better than Taco without the benefit of seeing exactly what each of them has to offer. It's been said that Harris is just too weak vs. the run by more than a few scouts, so there's also that to consider as well. Conversely, that's said to be Taco's strength.

Anyhow, let's see what develops down with Taco and the DE's that we weren't willing to pay for. It might work out better than some of us might think when all is said and done. Charlton is ours, whether it's for the best or not. Who knows, we might get lucky like we did with Zack Martin.

 

[waldoputty]

It's hard to say if Dallas was wrong or right without knowing what the price was for them to move up. For all we know, it might have been totally outrageous, thereby justifying Dallas' refusal to be played for a sucker. Perhaps the Dallas FO didn't feel the difference between the two players was worth coughing up what might have been an excessive price to pay.

Anyhow, the deal wasn't made and we're left to make the best of what we'll have in the wake of what happened. I'm not willing to assume Harris is that much better than Taco without the benefit of seeing exactly what each of them has to offer. It's been said that Harris is way too weak vs. the run by more than a few scouts, so there's also that to consider as well.

Anyhow, let's see what develops down with Taco and the DE's that we weren't willing to pay for. It might work out better than some of us might think when all is said and done. Charlton is ours, whether it's for the best or not. Who knows, we might get lucky like we did with Zack Martin.

Nobody knows what the price is.
Bottom line is the price is expensive and will get more expensive.
Everyone knows what we need.

We do know one thing.
Seattle traded their pick to Atlanta for a third and a seventh.
We probably would have gotten that for less since our pick was higher.
Furthermore it was well known Atlanta was trying to trade up and was reported days before the draft.
But as you said, we are stuck with the picks we made and can hope for the best.

It is worrisome to me that the FO may be more obsessed with value.
That last piece is going to hurt and we all know it.
The later you do it the more it may cost as it would bloody obvious we are stuck.
Furthermore, you get to find out whether the piece works or not.
If it does not work, guess what - you need to get 'fleeced' again.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

It's hard to say if Dallas was wrong or right without knowing what the price was for them to move up. For all we know, it might have been totally outrageous, thereby justifying Dallas' refusal to be played for a sucker. Perhaps the Dallas FO didn't feel the difference between the two players was worth coughing up what might have been an excessive price to pay.

Anyhow, the deal wasn't made and we're left to make the best of what we'll have in the wake of what happened. I'm not willing to assume Harris is that much better than Taco without the benefit of seeing exactly what each of them has to offer. It's been said that Harris is just too weak vs. the run by more than a few scouts, so there's also that to consider as well. Conversely, it's Taco's strength.

Anyhow, let's see what develops down with Taco and the DE's that we weren't willing to pay for. It might work out better than some of us might think when all is said and done. Charlton is ours, whether it's for the best or not. Who knows, we might get lucky like we did with Zack Martin.

Taco and Tapper are really the keys to our future pass rush. If one or both can work out, we are sitting pretty. If not, we will still have to look for another one come free agency or early in the draft again.

The hope is they all work out, but that almost never seems to happen. The results will shape what we need for the future, so hope they go to work.

 

[Bullflop]

Nobody knows what the price is.
Bottom line is the price is expensive and will get more expensive.
Everyone knows what we need.

We do know one thing.
Seattle traded their pick to Atlanta for a third and a seventh.
We probably would have gotten that for less since our pick was higher.
Furthermore it was well known Atlanta was trying to trade up and was reported days before the draft.
But as you said, we are stuck with the picks we made and can hope for the best.

It is worrisome to me that the FO may be more obsessed with value.
That last piece is going to hurt and we all know it.
The later you do it the more it may cost as it would bloody obvious we are stuck.
Furthermore, you get to find out whether the piece works or not.
If it does not work, guess what - you need to get 'fleeced' again.

I believe you're making far too many assumptions about what nobody knows the case is as yet.

Let's just see how it goes before we take that leap off the ledge. I doubt it's that bad, if it is at all.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Nobody knows what the price is.
Bottom line is the price is expensive and will get more expensive.
Everyone knows what we need.

We do know one thing.
Seattle traded their pick to Atlanta for a third and a seventh.
We probably would have gotten that for less since our pick was higher.
Furthermore it was well known Atlanta was trying to trade up and was reported days before the draft.
But as you said, we are stuck with the picks we made and can hope for the best.

It is worrisome to me that the FO may be more obsessed with value.
That last piece is going to hurt and we all know it.
The later you do it the more it may cost as it would bloody obvious we are stuck.
Furthermore, you get to find out whether the piece works or not.
If it does not work, guess what - you need to get 'fleeced' again.

It was a good move for Atlanta in the fact that they made the SB last year, so they might feel like they are just another pass rusher away from a ring.

We didn't even win a playofff game, we aren't one gjuy away, we still got several holes to fill which is why it didn't really make sense for us to be trading up at that moment. A premium position is really the only thing worth trading up for anyway, and Atlanta did that. Noone said this would be easy, every other team in the league is trying to get better also.

With our losses in the secondary, we weren't one player away. Noway we could trade up and lose one of those DBs we just got. We needed more than just one guy, we needed several in the secondary also.

 

[waldoputty]

It was a good move for Atlanta in the fact that they made the SB last year, so they might feel like they are just another pass rusher away from a ring.

We didn't even win a playofff game, we aren't one gjuy away, we still got several holes to fill which is why it didn't really make sense for us to be trading up at that moment. A premium position is really the only thing worth trading up for anyway, and Atlanta did that. Noone said this would be easy, every other team in the league is trying to get better also.

With our losses in the secondary, we weren't one player away. Noway we could trade up and lose one of those DBs we just got. We needed more than just one guy, we needed several in the secondary also.

The only pieces that matter is a RDE and a CB.
We could have signed a decent CB from FA and we have plenty of cap space.

That leaves the edge player.

Instead they were focused on getting cheap DBs.
When plenty of cap space was available.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The issue is pretty simple. Harris, McKinley and Taco were all fairly even in terms of talent and production. Some folks liked one a little better than the others and it's possible Dallas liked Taco third best out of that trio. But it's not like the difference in talent between them was some huge gap. It's very likely they were all in the same draft tier for many teams. In other words, not worth giving up draft picks for one if you're pretty certain another will fall to you. All things considered, given the relative depth at each position, the Joneses played this draft like a fiddle.

As for Atlanta, they can have Poe. They aren't getting the 2013-14 version. The 2015-16 version is an overweight dude with a back problem and his production showed as much.

 

[waldoputty]

I believe you're making far too many assumptions about what nobody knows the case is as yet.

Let's just see how it goes before we take that leap off the ledge. I doubt it's that bad, if it is at all.

there are multiple reports that at least 1 DE were rated higher.
they did not make the trade.
it is not that bad, then that is even worse.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

The only pieces that matter is a RDE and a CB.
We could have signed a decent CB from FA and we have plenty of cap space.

That leaves the edge player.

Instead they were focused on getting cheap DBs.
When plenty of cap space was available.

We could've signed someone but we didn't, the ones we signed were cheap fillins.

Since that was the case, we almost had to get quality players at both DB and DE. We also have other needs that are out there, some didn't think WR was an option at all, but we ended up drafting 2 of them and probably another one next year, along with a RB, and QB.....and thats just offense.

I do agree they should've been more aggressive in free agency, not one of the guys we signed should even be starting. Water under the bridge though, and when it came draft time, we did draft more for need than BPA, alot more than we have in the last few years. I just hope we can luck up and have a good need draft, cause reallly they have a much lower chance of being successful.

 

[Bullflop]

there are multiple reports that at least 1 DE were rated higher.
they did not make the trade.
it is not that bad, then that is even worse.

I'm of a mind that Charlton has far more untapped upside than Harris does. That's what many scouts believe, not just myself.
There are others besides Taco who has the potential to show pass rush capabilities. Maliek Collins and Tapper are just two.
They weren't available last year, so there's really no sound reasoning to assume our pass rush won't improve as need be.

 

[waldoputty]

We could've signed someone but we didn't, the ones we signed were cheap fillins.

Since that was the case, we almost had to get quality players at both DB and DE. We also have other needs that are out there, some didn't think WR was an option at all, but we ended up drafting 2 of them and probably another one next year, along with a RB, and QB.....and thats just offense.

I do agree they should've been more aggressive in free agency, not one of the guys we signed should even be starting. Water under the bridge though, and when it came draft time, we did draft more for need than BPA, alot more than we have in the last few years. I just hope we can luck up and have a good need draft, cause reallly they have a much lower chance of being successful.

yes that is exactly what they did, even after going 13-3.
it seems like the FO is also waiting for brady to retire...

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I'm of a mind that Charlton has far more untapped upside than Harris does. That's what many scouts believe, not just myself.
There are others besides Taco who has the potential to show pass rush capabilities. Maliek Collins and Tapper are just two.
They weren't available last year, so there's really no sound reasoning to assume our pass rush won't improve as need be.

Well our best chance at a really good young DL rest in Tapper, Collins, Irving, and Taco. Put them all out on the field together, and see what happens.

 

[Bullflop]

Well our best chance at a really good young DL rest in Tapper, Collins, Irving, and Taco. Put them all out on the field together, and see what happens.

Exactly -- it's far from hopeless that our pass rush will improve, to my way of thinking. It's not like Marinelli has nothing to work with.

 

[waldoputty]

I'm of a mind that Charlton has far more untapped upside than Harris does. That's what many scouts believe, not just myself.
There are others besides Taco who has the potential to show pass rush capabilities. Maliek Collins and Tapper are just two.
They weren't available last year, so there's really no sound reasoning to assume our pass rush won't improve as need be.

i agreed with untapped potential for taco.
only it will take time to tap that if there is anything to be tapped.
harris/takk would seemed to be more immediate impact, which may be why others preferred tak/harris.

i would certainly expect the rush to be improve, as it is hard for the DL to be less talented.
sure hope taco is spicy and not soft.

 

[ThreeandOut]

The Cowboys reportedly had a 1st round grade on 3 DE's. If they were entertaining moving all the way up to Baltimore's pick, Harris was probably the last DE with a 1st round grade. But that move probably would have cost them their 2nd round pick. So the comparison really isn't Harris vs Taco, its Harris vs Taco and Awuzie.