Report: Cowboys explored trading up for Charles Harris

[Bullflop]

i agreed with untapped potential for taco.
only it will take time to tap that if there is anything to be tapped.
harris/takk would seemed to be more immediate impact, which may be why others preferred tak/harris.

i would certainly expect the rush to be improve, as it is hard for the DL to be less talented.
sure hope taco is spicy and not soft.

Aha -- so there really IS hope . . . that's all I wanted to hear. Thank goodness and the football gods for that!

 

[waldoputty]

Aha -- so there really IS hope . . . that's all I wanted to hear. Thank goodness and the football gods for that!

there is always hope before the games start.

 

[Bullflop]

there is always hope before the games start.

I, for one, can't wait . . . how's about yourself? I'm betting you're looking forward to the season, just like I am. C'mon, admit it!

 

[waldoputty]

The Cowboys reportedly had a 1st round grade on 3 DE's. If they were entertaining moving all the way up to Baltimore's pick, Harris was probably the last DE with a 1st round grade. But that move probably would have cost them their 2nd round pick. So the comparison really isn't Harris vs Taco, its Harris vs Taco and Awuzie.

it would at least have cost a 2nd.
and it is not simply 1 player vs. 2 players.
it is a matter of opportunity cost.
the lower 1st round pick is your best available bargaining chip to trade for a higher 1st round pick.
you only get a draft once a year.

 

[waldoputty]

I, for one, can't wait . . . how's about yourself? I'm betting you're looking forward to the season, just like I am! C'mon, admit it!!

of course we all miss football.
after 13-3, you would have expected more of an effort.
instead they strategically weakened a mediocre position to one of major weakness.
and then wave that like a rabbit (DB need) in front of a bunch of chase dogs (fans).
just like the game or the race.
when the elephant in the room is the lack of passrush.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

of course we all miss football.
after 13-3, you would have expected more of an effort.
instead they strategically weakened a mediocre position to one of major weakness.
and then wave that like a rabbit (DB need) in front of a bunch of chase dogs (fans).
just like the game or the race.
when the elephant in the room is the lack of passrush.

While I do like their approach of trying to get some young guys back there in the secondary, one good FA CB could've allowed us use that 2nd round pick to move up and get Harris. And I mean a FA CB that we know is going to start, not the iffy thing that is Carroll.

So I can see where your coming from, and I probably would've gone the route I speak of above. You would actually get 2 better players, all things being equal, a higher draft pick DE and starting CB already on the roster.

But they didn't go that way, instead they wanted the youth, and knowing its a crapshoot, all we can do is sit back and watch.

 

[waldoputty]

While I do like their approach of trying to get some young guys back there in the secondary, one good FA CB could've allowed us use that 2nd round pick to move up and get Harris. And I mean a FA CB that we know is going to start, not the iffy thing that is Carroll.

So I can see where your coming from, and I probably would've gone the route I speak of above. You would actually get 2 better players, all things being equal, a higher draft pick but starting CB already on the roster.

But they didn't go that way, instead they wanted the youth, and knowing its a crapshoot, all we can do is sit back and watch.

we are in total agreement.
that is about all we can do.
i can pray for an ownership change, but that is highly unlikely.

 

[Bullflop]

of course we all miss football.
after 13-3, you would have expected more of an effort.
instead they strategically weakened a mediocre position to one of major weakness.
and then wave that like a rabbit (DB need) in front of a bunch of chase dogs (fans).
just like the game or the race.
when the elephant in the room is the lack of pass rush.

After 13-3, I expected just about what we were able to do, picking at #28. As it turns out, we improved our secondary about as much as anyone could have asked for. That's a plus. I believe we improved the pass rush with the drafting of Charlton and greatly bolstered our coverage vs. the run as well. I'm not about to assume our pass rush has been weakened with someone who figures to better what we've had to offer in the past. From what I can tell, most of the fans and so-called gurus who follow the sport, much like we do, think so too.

 

[waldoputty]

After 13-3, I expected just about what we were able to do, picking at #28. As it turns out, we improved our secondary about as much as anyone could have asked for. That's a plus. I believe we improved the pass rush with the drafting of Charlton and greatly bolstered our coverage vs. the run as well. I'm not about to assume our pass rush has been weakened with someone who figures to better what we've had to offer in the past. From what I can tell, so say most of the fans and so-called gurus who follow the sport, much like we do.

i understand what your point is.
our problem is the passrush.
i am not going to look for ways to justify the pick like his running stuff.
lets hope taco is a good passrusher
if he is, then we are a contender.
if he is not and tapper does not pan out, then we are where we were last year.
of course there is jaylon and he could probably play rde on passing downs.

 

[Bullflop]

i understand what your point is.
our problem is the passrush.
i am not going to look for ways to justify the pick like his running stuff.
lets hope taco is a good passrusher
if he is, then we are a contender.
if he is not and tapper does not pan out, then we are where we were last year.
of course there is jaylon and he could probably play rde on passing downs.

I know how you feel, although I see no reason to conclude the pass rush is still a problem until we've seen enough evidence to confirm as much. I'm inclined to hope you'll be fairly relieved to see what this defense has to offer when the season gets underway. I'm expecting that things with our "D" will be touch-and-go for a while, with so many youngsters and rookies playing vital roles.

It'll likely take lots of patience for us to get comfortable until the youngsters get their acts together and find some semblance of consistency in their performance. It might even take until midseason for that to improve. Hopefully, it won't be too late by then for things to look promising enough for a playoff run. I'm honestly expecting it to possibly take another year for the defense to iron out the rough spots, especially with such a difficult schedule to overcome in 2017.

 

[waldoputty]

I know how you feel, although I see no reason to conclude the pass rush is still a problem until we've seen enough evidence to confirm as much. I'm inclined to hope you'll be fairly relieved to see what this defense has to offer when the season gets underway. I'm expecting that things with our "D" will be touch-and-go for a while, with so many youngsters and rookies playing vital roles.

It'll likely take lots of patience for us to get comfortable until the youngsters get their acts together and find some semblance of consistency in their performance. It might even take until midseason for that to improve. Hopefully, it won't be too late by then for things to look promising enough for a playoff run. I'm honestly expecting it to possibly take another year for the defense to iron out the rough spots with such a difficult schedule to overcome in 2017.

yes it does feel like they have thrown away 2017.
i actually hope they tank the year if they do not look good in the 1st few games.
that may be the best way to get the RDE we need.

 

[Bullflop]

yes it does feel like they have thrown away 2017.
i actually hope they tank the year if they do not look good in the 1st few games.
that may be the best way to get the RDE we need.

The defense was so poor for the last few years that coming back from that mess isn't realistically likely to happen in one year's time, imho. I'm not one to advocate tanking, although considering the recovery we'll be obliged to realize this year, we probably won't need to tank to ultimately be in line for a better drafting position in 2018.

I can readily picture a season whereby we could finish at 9-7 and possibly 8-8, in the event the defense requires just a bit too much time to recover its necessary level of play. This team will be seriously challenged to even come anywhere close to what it produced last year with such a less demanding schedule. I'm intent upon keeping modest expectations in 2017. I see no harm in that, really.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

yes that is exactly what they did, even after going 13-3.
it seems like the FO is also waiting for brady to retire...

I think the FO is more worried about getting to the SB than they are about Brady.

 

[waldoputty]

The defense was so poor for the last few years that coming back from that mess isn't realistically likely to happen in one year's time, imho. I'm not one to advocate tanking, although considering the recovery we'll be obliged to realize this year, we probably won't need to tank to ultimately be in line for a better drafting position in 2018. I can readily picture a season whereby we could finish at 9-7 and possibly 8-8, in the event the defense requires just a bit too much time to recover its necessary level of play. This team will be seriously challenged to even come anywhere close to what it produced last year with such a less demanding schedule. I'm intent upon keeping modest expectations in 2017.

8-8 does not get you a top 5 or 10 pick.
dak needs to try out for baseball and zeke needs to go partying with jerry in argentina for 1 year.
a proper tanking like the 76ers/Sam Hinkie - now that is impressive patience.

 

[big dog cowboy]

i can pray for an ownership change, but that is highly unlikely.

Highly?

 

[big dog cowboy]

yes it does feel like they have thrown away 2017.

Feels to most of us that the Cowboys have loaded up for a deeper playoff run.

 

[waldoputty]

I think the FO is more worried about getting to the SB than they are about Brady.

trying to get to the SB - surely you jest.
now brady will no longer be a problem as he just made the Madden cover.

 

[waldoputty]

Feels to most of us that the Cowboys have loaded up for a deeper playoff run.

stockholm syndrom at its best

 

[Bullflop]

8-8 does not get you a top 5 or 10 pick.
dak needs to try out for baseball and zeke needs to go partying with jerry in argentina for 1 year.
a proper tanking like the 76ers/Sam Hinkie - now that is impressive patience.

If some of our "rushmen" turn out as I'm hoping they might, perhaps a top 5 or 10 pick won't be necessary. Rather than having one or two killer "rushmen," oftentimes having three or four "good-uns" gives a team enough pressure to thwart the opponent. In any event, this team will run its course this year and whatever comes of their results, here's hoping a quick twitch DE somehow comes our way in the end.

 

[bayeslife]

I wanted Lynch and was disappointed we only got Prescott as QB.

Harris will be the rue watch of the new season I guess