Report: Kyle Orton told Cowboys he wants to retire

[Hoofbite]

Every day I wake up I think passing on Johnny Manziel was the biggest mistake in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. Even more so with passing on Moss.

You live in Texas?

 

[Bleu Star]

Every day I wake up I think passing on Johnny Manziel was the biggest mistake in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. Even more so with passing on Moss.

Please don't remind me.. I'm trying desperately to forget that little "strategic move".

 

[big dog cowboy]

Every day I wake up I think passing on Johnny Manziel was the biggest mistake in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. Even more so with passing on Moss.

I'm not sure what was better. Passing on JF or passing on JF and not even thinking about drafting him. Seriously leaning on the latter.

 

[jterrell]

ROFL.
Gotta love the real housewives of cz(trademarked!!) where everything is major drama.

Orton has apparently had enough.
Football is real easy to guys who don't actually play it.
There are a handful of guys who walk away each year.
Dallas isn't cutting Orton because to do so would mean an additional cap hit about 150k.
If Orton wants to retire and pay back 1.5-3m to walk away they'll gladly let him.

2 a days suck in college when you are 20.
Training Camp as a 30 year old is terrible.
Having your every second regulated and being away from family and friends is a real annoyance at that age.
Vets try really hard to avoid training camp and pre-season games for a reason.
The vast majority of this board would retire if they had 10m in earnings.
Yes, he'd be leaving 3.5m on the table but he is a guy who likely has some outside income lined up already.


---he'll dog it if here...
No, he won't. Or his OL will hang him out to dry in a pre-season game.
You don't quit on the team; you make the best decision but if you are in, you are all in.
Orton will be professional if that's what happens and he has to come to Camp.

Johnny Football-- I am as high on Manziel as anyone but Orton has zero to do with him. ZERO.
In fact Orton being gone is a good thing because if Romo is injured we will likely lose more games and thus draft much higher to tab Romo's replacement.

End of the day I could care less about Orton. I cared about him for all of one week his entire career and that was a waste of effort.

 

[AbeBeta]

Dallas has all the leverage. They can cut him after June 1st and save his 3.25m salary against the cap and in real dollars. The Signing Bonus money is just icing on the cake. If he shows up out of shape or doesn't try, they can still get him for breach and put him on the suspended/non active list and not pay him. If he skips mandatory camp days they can start fining him.

You are right that If he really doesn't want to play they should just work out a settlement, something like 1.5m. This team can easily get by without a non-motivated Kyle Orton and they may already have a comparable replacement in Weeden. They could always sign a vet like Shaun Hill that played for Linehan before.

Wow. Really. We've got "all the leverage?" 3.25 saved against the '14 cap doesn't dissapear. It hits us in 2015. That's not leverage.

We can file a grievance sure. But teams rarely win and those things draw on forever.

So really no leverage.

 

[jterrell]

Wow. Really. We've got "all the leverage?" 3.25 saved against the '14 cap doesn't dissapear. It hits us in 2015. That's not leverage.

We can file a grievance sure. But teams rarely win and those things draw on forever.

So really no leverage.

The leverage Dallas has is that he has to repay money to retire.
If he doesn't retire he has to report or be fined daily for missing anything mandatory.
If he doesn't report and gets placed on the retired non-report list and he will be liable for returning a portion of his signing bonus. --this isn't some sue for later deal like Ratliff whom we cut, this is already collectively bargained.
Probably a larger portion than he'd like.

Orton's 3.25m is this year's salary. He has 3.4 in dead money if cut today.
If cut after June 1st the majority of that 3.4 gets charged next year but we'd save a couple million this year.

Dallas isn't in bad shape in any way on this. They don't owe him enough in dead money to really make this more than a non-story.

 

[Nightman]

Wow. Really. We've got "all the leverage?" 3.25 saved against the '14 cap doesn't dissapear. It hits us in 2015. That's not leverage.

We can file a grievance sure. But teams rarely win and those things draw on forever.

So really no leverage.

Only 2.2m hits in 2015. The entire 3.25m saved in 2014 can be rolled over and that eliminates the dead money in 2015 and then some. All Orton can say is that he will show up when required, he is owed zero guaranteed dollars. Dallas can cut him at any time before the season starts.

 

[Jerryrage]

You live in Texas?

I look outside my window and see the death star every morning.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Every day I wake up I think passing on Johnny Manziel was the biggest mistake in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. Even more so with passing on Moss.

Time will tell. It all depends if JF becomes a top NFL QB. I think it was worth the risk.

 

[AbeBeta]

Only 2.2m hits in 2015. The entire 3.25m saved in 2014 can be rolled over and that eliminates the dead money in 2015 and then some. All Orton can say is that he will show up when required, he is owed zero guaranteed dollars. Dallas can cut him at any time before the season starts.

It still isn't leverage. He wants us to cut him. We want him to retire. He can show up and hold the clipboard for another year and not payback his 3 mill while also earning a few mill more.

On the other hand the team now has an expensive qback who we know is uninterested in playing. Even if he fulfills his deal we still are in the spot where we absolutely need another slot for a qb to develop for 2015's backup role. Plus we'll always be wondering if we can actually trust him in a game

Orton clearly has the leverage.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The leverage Dallas has is that he has to repay money to retire.
If he doesn't retire he has to report or be fined daily for missing anything mandatory.
If he doesn't report and gets placed on the retired non-report list and he will be liable for returning a portion of his signing bonus. --this isn't some sue for later deal like Ratliff whom we cut, this is already collectively bargained.
Probably a larger portion than he'd like.

Orton's 3.25m is this year's salary. He has 3.4 in dead money if cut today.
If cut after June 1st the majority of that 3.4 gets charged next year but we'd save a couple million this year.

Dallas isn't in bad shape in any way on this. They don't owe him enough in dead money to really make this more than a non-story.

Agreed.

This is a non-story.

If he plays, he plays. If he retires, he retires... And if he does he owes back bonus money.

 

[Floatyworm]

Should of drafted a qb Jerry... Murray... Savage....

Yup....Even if it was someone in the 7th. I think their next move is to trade for Kellen Moore. And I'd take him over Orton in a heartbeat

 

[Rockport]

Every day I wake up I think passing on Johnny Manziel was the biggest mistake in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. Even more so with passing on Moss.

Passing on JF was one of the best moves the Cowboys have ever made.

 

[Hoofbite]

I look outside my window and see the death star every morning.

Really? That's pretty cool.

 

[Bleu Star]

Time will tell. It all depends if JF becomes a top NFL QB. I think it was worth the risk.

My money is on him panning out nicely and becoming what he would have become here after Tony walked away.

There's alway Weeden though. Woohooo

 

[Hoofbite]

Yup....Even if it was someone in the 7th. I think their next move is to trade for Kellen Moore. And I'd take him over Orton in a heartbeat

Buddy of mine was telling me that teams really likes Boise players in part because the coaches in Boise don't build them up when speaking of them.

Wonder if we see an uptick in Washington players going to Dallas now that Coach Pete moved on.

 

[Nightman]

It still isn't leverage. He wants us to cut him. We want him to retire. He can show up and hold the clipboard for another year and not payback his 3 mill while also earning a few mill more.

On the other hand the team now has an expensive qback who we know is uninterested in playing. Even if he fulfills his deal we still are in the spot where we absolutely need another slot for a qb to develop for 2015's backup role. Plus we'll always be wondering if we can actually trust him in a game

Orton clearly has the leverage.

Orton showed his hand, he has no leverage.
At best he keeps the money already paid to him for 2012 and 2013. The 5m signing bonus made up for salaries of 900k and 1.3m the last 2 years. Dallas spread out the accounting for the signing bonus, but Orton counted it compensation for those 2 seasons. If he has to pay part of it back just to retire that would be a colossal screw-up.

If Orton plays, Dallas has the experienced back-up they paid for(they don't need the cap space).
If Orton shows up and sulks, Dallas cuts him and saves 3.25m and the roll the dice with Weeden
If Orton retires, Dallas saves the 3.25m in salary and gets back another 3m from the signing bonus

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Orton showed his hand, he has no leverage.
At best he keeps the money already paid to him for 2012 and 2013. The 5m signing bonus made up for salaries of 900k and 1.3m the last 2 years. Dallas spread out the accounting for the signing bonus, but Orton counted it compensation for those 2 seasons. If he has to pay part of it back just to retire that would be a colossal screw-up.

If Orton plays, Dallas has the experienced back-up they paid for(they don't need the cap space).
If Orton shows up and sulks, Dallas cuts him and saves 3.25m and the roll the dice with Weeden
If Orton retires, Dallas saves the 3.25m in salary and gets back another 3m from the signing bonus

If Orton shows up and doesn't put forth effort (which I doubt happens) then it becomes a team disciplinary issue. But again I don't see that happening. I think his teammates will help force his hand if he doesn't put forth the effort.

I don't see the benefit of the Cowboys cutting him.