Report: Myles Jack has 'bone and cartilage starting to break away'

[Swanny]

Between Jack and the Notre Dame kid (both with major knee injuries), I bet you are going to start seeing a lot of college kids start taking out insurance polices in the coming years.

This is why I hate the 3 year rule.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Still think he goes top 15 for sure and probably top 10.

Jack will not get past the Jags at 5 in all probability.

The GM and Coach just went to personally visit him and have no issues with his medical.

They love the player and are expected to take him at 5.

Atlanta and the Chargers are also high on Jack even after the recheck.

 

[DBOY3141]

Jack will not get past the Jags at 5 in all probability.

The GM and Coach just went to personally visit him and have no issues with his medical.

They love the player and are expected to take him at 5.

Atlanta and the Chargers are also high on Jack even after the recheck.

Saw that on the Jags. Sounds like his spot. Even without the knee issue, don't think he was ever on the Cowboys radar.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Saw that on the Jags. Sounds like his spot. Even without the knee issue, don't think he was ever on the Cowboys radar.

I really do not either, I think they are focused on the Qb, pass rush and secondary while looking for rb and wr help.

They may add a lb but I would not doubt if it is another 4th or 6th rounder.

 

[Daillest88]

With this news I say get him in the 4th if hes there

 

[conner01]

Between Jack and the Notre Dame kid (both with major knee injuries), I bet you are going to start seeing a lot of college kids start taking out insurance polices in the coming years.

My understanding is it's a bit expensive for a college kid.

 

[conner01]

I don't know if this report today is true or not - but I very much doubt Jack could do a 40" Vertical and 10'4" broad jump at his Pro Day a month ago if his knee was really this bad. Everything this time of year - everything - is a smoke screen.

Also you can file this in the "Guy at the Liquor Store" file but I was talking with a friend today that is a Cowboy fan and spends a lot of time at UCLA, he heard from several people Jack's knee will be fine in time.

You never know what's true right now
I assume most teams did their on exams so not sure the point. I guess to seed some doubt in your own docs

 

[LandryFan]

Between Jack and the Notre Dame kid (both with major knee injuries), I bet you are going to start seeing a lot of college kids start taking out insurance polices in the coming years.

I can see your point, but I can't see where a lot of these kids will get the kind of coin that it will take to purchase the protection. I guess there could be some under the table deals with agents, but that wouldn't stay a secret for very long. With the kind of money the NCAA makes off of these kids, you'd think they would be required to pony up for insurance, but that'll never happen.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Sorry cupcake (the substance of your logic) but your bogus arguments will not hold under scrutiny when the Jags draft Jack regardless of this unofficial and unreliable tweet, at selection five, unless someone beats them to the punch.

You have from the beginning misunderstood the basic distinction between an acl and meniscus tear.

Further, you have failed to understand that not all meniscus injuries are the same and that some are complicated and some are not which accounts for various healing time frames.

You will have to pull your head out of your rear and try to justify why the Jags and their medical staff have a different interpretation of Jack and his medical condition than some other teams and answer why they see him as value in the top 5.

You are yet to provide me a reason why most reputable evaluators have had Jack in their top 5 during the entire draft process, some as their top prosepect overall or in the top 3 talent wise in this entire draft.

Some of the top evaluators still have Jack in their top 5 even with the mixed interpretations of his medical recheck, which is precisely why the Jags are said to be ready to draft him at 5!

The fact that teams are split on Jack and his recheck should inform you to withhold adjudication until you actually know what all 32 teams and their corresponding medical staff are thinking but we both know that you do not have such knowledge.

You know nothing John Snow and in your case you don't know Jack, Chachi!

You can appeal to random tweets that some teams are worried about Jack and to be fair some teams are accordingly.

However, I can show you other tweets that some teams are not concerned, this only proves the fact that there is ambiguity on the subject.

Arguing from assumption and ignorance based on ambiguity is a foolish proposition at best.

I have conceded that the Cowboys are probably not in the Jack market but mostly because they need a QB, Pass Rush and Secondary help the most and certainly coming off injury does not help.

The view of Jack as a prospect and his value is team relative, that means some teams view him as an elite talent and their medical staff does not interpret the injury as a long term deal breaker.

Other teams medical staff may see potential problematics down the road and are not willing to sign off on the risk early in the draft, it just depends on the team.

However, it only takes one team in the top 5 to see the value and who are not concerned with the injury long term.

What we do know is the Jags have showed a lot of interest in Jack even after the recheck and he is in the conversation for them at 5.

This stultifies your original arguments on the subject even if it is not the Cowboys who have the interest in Jack with respect to the top five because your logic was that of positional value and the injury.

If the Jags indeed draft Jack at 5 then they do not care about positional value because he is an elite talent and with reference to the injury, their medical staff does not view his injury as a long term deal breaker and are willing to take the risk.

Positional value goes out the door with elite prospects so that argument is ultimately futile.

If Jack indeed does go in the top 5 cupcake, you are going to be eating some serious crow! And Chachi and Joanie are not going to be able help you emotionally!

By the way, your Chachi obsession is disturbing:

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Take off those cataract glasses and read this research by Brown University.

Listen cataracts, Myles didn't run the 40 for a reason when his recover should have allowed him to. "Disgusting" is in reference another player. The fact is that the reviews are not positive after rechecks for Myles. Live with it. You're not right. Can you see that? YOU ARE NOT RIGHT about Myles being medically clear and a top 5 pick. HIs meniscus tear is career shortening and unstable now. That's why he is not running the 40. Will Jacksonville take him? Are they blowing smoke? I hope he gets drafted high but wouldn't be at all surprised to see him not in the top 10 or 20.

An ACL is easier to recover from than a meniscus in most cases. This is my point and has been. Where do you get your medical info? Conjecture? Think Gurley. Rams were sure about him and all his medical rechecks went well. Myles is not receiving the same overall approval by the league.

Surely, you can read this in your time after bingo.
http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BI108/BI108_2004_Groups/Group06/Group6project/Therapy/TInjuries1.htm

What you saw on tape last year was an elite player, but that is not what you are drafting now. Is that clear for you? Not the same player but damaged goods. I feel for the kid but that's not the issue.

The Chachi thing is not about me but someone called me Chachi on the board because I said that D.Murray wouldn't be resigned for some reasons in Oct. I put it on my sign because I thought it was broad generalizing and racist. Turns out, it was just an expression for a know-it-all from another generation. In a humble gesture and admission that I misunderstood something about being called a "Chachi" I made it my sign.

The cupcake thing? I like cupcakes. Are you suggesting that I'm weak? I imagine it has something to do with your insecurity and increasing frailty with age.

How about this? If you are right and Myles goes to Jackson or earlier, I will put a nice cupcake instead of Scott Baio and write "I'm a cupcake" If Myles doesn't go top 5, you put a picture of cataract glasses in your signature instead of Roger. Game? I doubt you are.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Take off those cataract glasses and read this research by Brown University.

Listen cataracts, Myles didn't run the 40 for a reason when his recover should have allowed him to. "Disgusting" is in reference another player. The fact is that the reviews are not positive after rechecks for Myles. Live with it. You're not right. Can you see that? YOU ARE NOT RIGHT about Myles being medically clear and a top 5 pick. HIs meniscus tear is career shortening and unstable now. That's why he is not running the 40. Will Jacksonville take him? Are they blowing smoke? I hope he gets drafted high but wouldn't be at all surprised to see him not in the top 10 or 20.

An ACL is easier to recover from than a meniscus in most cases. This is my point and has been. Where do you get your medical info? Conjecture? Think Gurley. Rams were sure about him and all his medical rechecks went well. Myles is not receiving the same overall approval by the league.

Surely, you can read this in your time after bingo.
http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BI108/BI108_2004_Groups/Group06/Group6project/Therapy/TInjuries1.htm

What you saw on tape last year was an elite player, but that is not what you are drafting now. Is that clear for you? Not the same player but damaged goods. I feel for the kid but that's not the issue.

The Chachi thing is not about me but someone called me Chachi on the board because I said that D.Murray wouldn't be resigned for some reasons in Oct. I put it on my sign because I thought it was broad generalizing and racist. Turns out, it was just an expression for a know-it-all from another generation. In a humble gesture and admission that I misunderstood something about being called a "Chachi" I made it my sign.

The cupcake thing? I like cupcakes. Are you suggesting that I'm weak? I imagine it has something to do with your insecurity and increasing frailty with age.

How about this? If you are right and Myles goes to Jackson or earlier, I will put a nice cupcake instead of Scott Baio and write "I'm a cupcake" If Myles doesn't go top 5, you put a picture of cataract glasses in your signature instead of Roger. Game? I doubt you are.

Just so you are aware, only one team out of 32 flagged Jack at the combine for recheck, only one team.

That is weak sauce and cupcake like to base your argument upon.

After the recheck, Brugler indicated he has only heard of two teams that have major concern with Jack's recheck out of 32 teams.

This is the percentage you are basing your support on, 1-2 out of 32 teams and with unsubstantiated claims.

Further, La Canfora talked with three executives and they indicated Jack was a 3 on the recheck scale which was not viewed as problematic long term. Jaylon Smith is a 5 and will not play next year.

Even the 3 grade has sub grades which are worse and Jack was not rated as accordingly.

Sorry but you are completely wrong and have believed unsubstantiated rumors from a guy in Philly, not from a credible source.

Enjoy this article that debunks this nonsense with video from La Canfora who asked three NFL team executives about the actual grade on Jack's recheck.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...us-reports-on-myles-jack-overblown-disgusting

Further, you apparently have done little research on acl and meniscus tear surgery healing time frames:

Non complicated meniscectomy has a basic recovery time of 4-6 weeks before entering back in sports related activities on the conservative side.

Complicated cases which require meniscus surgical repair which Jack has require anywhere from 3-6 months recovery and rehab, once cleared and if without complications such as arthritis, pain or swelling, it will take an athlete a little more time to be at full go to get back in shape and lose any stiffness.

Jack is already running and training in recent videos, one posted yesterday by his agent to refute such unfounded rumors.

He is cutting and moving without hesitation, the video is on the lower page of the La Canfora article for your viewing pleasure.

Just so you know, his agent said he had a great and intense workout with the Jags on Saturday, get ready to eat that crowwith your cupcake!

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/knee-pain/tc/meniscus-surgery-recovery-time-topic-overview

Acl surgery recovery generally takes between 6 to 9 months and can take longer to get back to full form if complications arise, some requiring 12 months to gain full form, some sooner, is case relative.

http://sportskneetherapy.com/acl-surgery-recovery-timeline/

Therefore, acl surgery actually generally takes longer to come back from and Jack had his surgery for meniscus repair in late September, his team have indicated he has been working on getting into football shape in the last month and have maintained his knee is healing fine.

Here is an enlightening article with a NY Giants doctor answering questions about Jack and his recovery time table:

http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/201...s-recovery-timetable-after-his-meniscus-tear/

This informs you that 6 months is generally the time frame but it can take longer depending on the case but in no way is it long term issue.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Just so you are aware, only one team out of 32 flagged Jack at the combine for recheck, only one team.

That is weak sauce and cupcake like to base your argument upon.

After the recheck, Brugler indicated he has only heard of two teams that have major concern with Jack's recheck out of 32 teams.

This is the percentage you are basing your support on, 1-2 out of 32 teams and with unsubstantiated claims.

Further, La Canfora talked with three executives and they indicated Jack was a 3 on the recheck scale which was not viewed as problematic long term. Jaylon Smith is a 5 and will not play next year.

Even the 3 grade has sub grades which are worse and Jack was not rated as accordingly.

Sorry but you are completely wrong and have believed unsubstantiated rumors from a guy in Philly, not from a credible source.

Enjoy this article that debunks this nonsense with video from La Canfora who asked three NFL team executives about the actual grade on Jack's recheck.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...us-reports-on-myles-jack-overblown-disgusting

Further, you apparently have done little research on acl and meniscus tear surgery healing time frames:

Non complicated meniscectomy has a basic recovery time of 4-6 weeks before entering back in sports related activities on the conservative side.

Complicated cases which require meniscus surgical repair which Jack has require anywhere from 3-6 months recovery and rehab, once cleared and if without complications such as arthritis, pain or swelling, it will take an athlete a little more time to be at full go to get back in shape and lose any stiffness.

Jack is already running and training in recent videos, one posted yesterday by his agent to refute such unfounded rumors.

He is cutting and moving without hesitation, the video is on the lower page of the La Canfora article for your viewing pleasure.

Just so you know, his agent said he had a great and intense workout with the Jags on Saturday, get ready to eat that crowwith your cupcake!

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/knee-pain/tc/meniscus-surgery-recovery-time-topic-overview

Acl surgery recovery generally takes between 6 to 9 months and can take longer to get back to full form if complications arise, some requiring 12 months to gain full form, some sooner, is case relative.

http://sportskneetherapy.com/acl-surgery-recovery-timeline/

Therefore, acl surgery actually generally takes longer to come back from and Jack had his surgery for meniscus repair in late September, his team have indicated he has been working on getting into football shape in the last month and have maintained his knee is healing fine.

Here is an enlightening article with a NY Giants doctor answering questions about Jack and his recovery time table:

http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/201...s-recovery-timetable-after-his-meniscus-tear/

This informs you that 6 months is generally the time frame but it can take longer depending on the case but in no way is it long term issue.

You didn't take me up on the signatures bet so youre just hotair pumping up your man crush pick.

Draft is in a week. We'll see who is right then. Talk to you then cataracts glasses.

 

[Zekeats]

Knowing Dallas it's either a tightend or a linebacker come off a major injury. Id rather have Jack.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

Between Jack and the Notre Dame kid (both with major knee injuries), I bet you are going to start seeing a lot of college kids start taking out insurance polices in the coming years.

I didn't know it myself but I remember watching a college football program with Nick Saban (iirc) saying they already buy injury insurance on thier athletes for this situation. I remember being a bit surprised by the fact they were allowed to pay for it. Thinking about it they may have been talking about on the Dan Patrick show.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You didn't take me up on the signatures bet so youre just hotair pumping up your man crush pick.

Draft is in a week. We'll see who is right then. Talk to you then cataracts glasses.

We shall see soon enough chachi, I personally do not want to draft Jack, I just know you are wrong about the player.